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Wow that is heartbreaking. Miller’s Daughter was in my top 5 and the Thing You Love the Most I debated back and forth on several times. I am really sad to see both go.
[adrotate group="5"]I think it would be fun to explore this now that the show is basically done. Did your favorite character change from season 1 to 6? Did you start out liking/disliking one character and by the end change that thought process?
For me, I was always a Rumple fan from Desperate Souls onward and that never changed. I agree with thedarkonedearie statements above. I also believe that we become so attached to characters because in some way we relate to who they are or what they are going through. I personally can relate to Rumple fairly well. I see him as a guy who had to try and overcome his families name and reputation. As someone who did not always feel that he had control of the events in his life and was desperate to take back some control (although not the best way to do it) As someone who has a good, kind heart who wants to make a life for himself and his family and is willing to just go his own way and not bother anyone else. He is a parent who takes that responsibility seriously and does not try and pass it off on someone else or make excuses for not doing what he feels is in the best interest of his child. At heart Rumple is a father who wants to do best by his child and I can totally relate to that.
I started out liking Emma at the beginning of the series but man by the end I really did not like her. Same goes for Snow. Emma started the show as this tough in your face I am going to do what I believe is morally right no matter what the costs and ended up being weak and morally ambiguous. I always liked Snow better as Mary Margaret who was kind, sweet, and filled with optimism. I feel Snow was snotty, stuck up and only does what she feels is right for her self, her family, or her friends. If you are not in those groups she could care less. Which is fine except she labelled herself and her family as the “heroes” and therefore should have acted like it.
I always felt a little sorry for Regina even in season 1 but I really liked her by the end of the series. She has had the most complete character development of the show. She has gone from villain to hero not overnight (like Hook) but through several seasons of trying to do the right thing and making good choices. She did not get all her bad deeds hand waved away and I guess I really liked that. Does she still make some questionable decisions (stealing Belle’s heart), yes but we expect that and can forgive it because we know she is truly trying. The only thing I am disappointed in was the decline in her relationship with Rumple throughout the last couple of seasons. Their mentor/student relationship was one of my all time favorites even when they were trying to one up each other their was always this underlying respect and caring between them that we did not get after season 4.
Season 5 started out so strong. I agree, they really botched the dark one mythology. It could have been so cool, so incredible. Should have left Hook out of it. Should have actually made Emma evil. Loved introducing Merlin. I even liked Arthur being an antagonist. When he forced that guy to kill himself in the storybrooke jail cell….my goodness. It had so much potential. And they ruined most of it. The storybrooke part of season 5A was so bad especially. Like Emma keeping the sword in her basement. Not being able to pull it…and Merida training Rumple to be a hero to pull it……it was disgustingly awful.
Agree!
Yeah, it was bad. Writers shouldn’t do stuff like that. It was so bad. There is just so much you can do in a situation where Emma, the Good Guy, is now infected with the shows dark power. The first being actually make that really effect her besides the minor things she did comparatively to what an average villain on Ouat has done. Emma should have killed someone. Also, have that arc actually focus completely on the dark one power and what it has meant for Rumpel, the main character who has been the dark one for centuries.
This! We should have been able to explore the Dark One Curse and how it affects individuals. We should have come out of it with Emma having some understanding of what Rumple went through and the “heroes” understanding the struggles that Belle went through. Instead you got Emma not being all that dark, not doing anything, and writer promises that never came true along with the “heroes” basically saying if Rumple dies Oh Well. There was absolutely no insight at all! No character development at all, it was just all stupid nonsensical plot.
But was it earned?
COMPLETELY UNEARNED!!!! This is my main problem also. That is probably what I am most upset about, the writers took all the time to completely destroy Rumbelle in 6A and then did not give them the time to fix it in 6B. We did not get a big discussion, we did not get a big Rumbelle moment of Rumple ultimately choosing love over power (giving up his dark one powers). Instead we get Belle who sprangs her ankle and Rumple choosing to do the right thing without her knowledge. No talks, no discussions, no big moments just hand waves and fixes it all. Am I glad they at least gave us this, sure and Robert and Emilie as always killed it with their chemistry but all Rumbelle fans should be disappointed in Season 6 and how they have handled Rumbelle from season 4 on. I guess this is what fanfic is for and thank the lord that Rumbelle has some really great writers out there.
Magic seems to be an innate talent but still something you have to train at (Zelena was trained by the dark one and without that training, she probably wouldn’t be half of what she was) So I think her power is a mix of natural talent and great education. Making her Rump’s daughter to explain her power just makes stuff too complicated. I think Rump should have stayed with one child as his motivation: Bae. And Gideon is fine too, I guess.
Agree. All the Mills women had the capacity for great magic so it was not surprising that Zelena who wanted adult praise and was a great student was able to harness that innate ability for magic to being very powerful.
I would have liked to see more of Zelena’s story I think they left it undone. I would have liked her to go back to OZ and start building her life there with Robyn. I loved her relationship with Hades and would have liked him to stick around and explore that relationship more instead of killing him off. We could have seen Zelena balancing being a mom and loving someone who may not be the best influence on her child and the problems that come with that. We could have seen her go back to OZ and rebuild her life there. I think her story was left undone and I am sorry to see her go.
Spinner Rumple – He meets Milah, who is probably running from something or in some kind of a bind because it’s hard for me to imagine she married for love and human Rumple never had money. Or did he? Maybe the spinsters (fairies in disguise of course) gave him money, which attracted Milah, but then Rumple lost the money in some foolish or kind-hearted manner. Anyway they marry, they have Baelfire, Milah leaves, Rumple becomes The Dark One, Baelfire gets dropped down the beanhole… all pretty much as it was on the show.
I always thought that maybe she was pregnant and needed to get married fast to someone who was somewhat stable and reliable so she does a whirlwind courtship with Rumple marries him without telling him she was pregnant and then looses the child. Now she is stuck with someone but figures that he is stable and reliable with a somewhat good future ahead of him. They have a happy life for a few months until he is called to war and she becomes pregnant with his child and the rest stays the same.
Rumple finds Baelfire much like he does on the show and Baelfire is shot by Tamara and Neverland happens and Gold dies to save everyone (though I still think we need a better explanation as to why he thought he had to die with Pan, I mean it was beautiful, but reasons?). Rumple is brought back and here’s where it all kind of spins out… do I want Baelfire to die here and then be brought back by Zeus later after everyone goes to Hell to save him (a plot that might actually make more sense then the reason those chose to use) they could even trade Zelena’s life to Hades for Baelfire (since Hades seemed to like her) or do I want something else to happen? What if there was a way that say Belle found that would allow Bae and Rumple to separate and live and would somehow cost Zelena her life?
I would have had Rumple’s main motivation for helping Emma go to the underworld be that he has thoughts of rescuing Bae. I think this was his thought but we really did not get to see it played out because heaven forbid we should worry about the Neal/Emma/Hook triangle. That is what ruined everything. I could care less that Emma ended up with Hook what I care about is that in the process Rumple and Henry never got to explore their relationship with Bae. The story would have been so much more intense with Bae alive.
his is tricky because I love Rumple, I love (Disney movie) Belle and I absolutely adore Skin Deep, but most of the Rumbelle story in Storybrooke is so messed up! I wanted them to be together and stick up for each other and not lie to each other all the time. But the show could never quite get it right and while I’ve tried to put my finger on why, I’m still a bit baffled. The main problem seems to be that Rumple is still keeping himself apart from the rest of ‘the family’ and doing bad things (well he is The Dark One). Writing wise I think the reason Rumple did so much villain stuff after season 3 is that the writers needed someone from the main cast to be a consistent villain they could use to interact/team up with any arc villain they might toss in and they’d already put a lot of eggs in the basket of adding Regina and Hook (who really had no teeth as a villain against all those magic users anyway) to team hero. Storyline wise I guess it could all make sense if you remember that The Dark One is an entity in it’s own right and it might be all Rumplestiltskin the man can do to keep it from killing everyone. Or you could use Rumple’s addiction to magic after two hundred years of non-stop use. But basically I don’t know how to fix Rumbelle after season 3.
I think the main problem from season 4 on is that they don’t EXPLAIN why Rumple is doing the things he is doing. They gloss over it and never explore his psyche. I mean he has just lost his son and was imprisoned completely powerless for a year. He is going to back slide from this. In his mind he is thinking that I sacrificed myself for the good of the town (Belle and Bae) and what happens my son dies and I am imprisoned and powerless. After this he is going to go after power and try to cleave himself from the dagger. I mean if he is not connected to the dagger no one could ever control him again and therefore in his mind he can protect the one’s that he loves (Belle). Because at heart Rumple believes that when he is powerless he looses the ones that he loves, that is why he wants power. And of course he is not going to tell Belle because he knows she will not approve of him killing Hook to do it. We should have seen all of this and his doubts and fears that went along with the plan. We should have seen how he is worried that he will loose Belle if she finds out what he is doing. We should of seen some conflict between Rumple and Belle where Belle is asking Rumple to let her in and he is pushing her away because he still does not trust that she will not leave and that she does love him. Unfortunately what we got is Rumple “Me Need Power” and Belle asleep. They could have easily played this out a different way but chose not to.
Season 4B we should have seen Rumple draw lines in the sand with the Queens of Darkness which we were hinted at but did not get to directly see. We needed him to protect Henry and make sure Regina did not get hurt.
Season 5A we had Belle waffling back and forth which I understand but at the same time Belle has everything she ever wanted Rumple to be a good, decent, honest, man without the curse and she rejects him. He is in a vulnerable state right now with trying to deal with the fact that he no longer has all this power and he has the one person he loves rejecting him and Hook taunting him. We should have seen some of this conflict within him, some of the doubts that he felt, some of the now she sees me for who I really am the man behind the beast and does not want me. It would have made his taking the dark one powers back more understandable.
Season 5B was actually a fairly good season for Rumbelle especially her Handsome Hero which felt like the old Rumple and Belle working together, fighting, debating about good and evil, but trying to see each others point of view or at least trying to work with each other despite their different point of views. Then we have Belle being OOC and going to Zelena (the person who killed Rumple’s son!!!) and asking for advice???? I can see why she put herself in a sleeping curse because Belle like Rumple when panicky is impulsive.
How we explain 6A is beyond me. They were both HORRIBLE!!! The only thing I can say is that I think Rumbelle works best when they are there to support each other and instead in 6A you have both Belle and Rumple both panicking and therefore doing impulsive and damaging things to each other. Instead of Rumple supporting Belle about her doubts and fears of her pregnancy he panics and tries to overprotect. And instead of Belle being supportive of the doubts and fears of Rumple that his second son is going to Hate him you have her panicking and lashing out at him which in turns makes him be even more overprotective. It is a vicious cycle which was completely unhealthy. As for Rumple and EQ I am pretending it did not happen because it really never should have. It was one of the most stupidest things OUAT has ever done right up there with Zelena and Robin pregnancy. It made no sense and was completely idiotic.
6B would have been better if we saw more of Belle. They made a lot of headway in 6B with Rumple and Belle working together, being strong for each other, and supporting each other, but after all the damage of 6A we really needed to see more of this. More of them talking about everything that has happened and trying to understand each other. More time. Instead we got episodes that did not matter like Aladdin and Hook on a journey to nowhere and just yelling about nothing.
I am glad they ended up together and really glad that they improvised the last scene and made it their own. After all the Rumbelle fandom was put through the last few years and hearing over and over and over again that “Rumple is a difficult man to love” without no explanation as to why he was doing the things he was doing it was nice that they had the finale moment and that they made that moment special for us fans.
I was also very disappointed to see “Sympathy for the De Vil” go, but it says a lot for it that it’s one of the few post S3 episodes that made it this far. I love that episode in isolation. But I admit that the disappointment of much of S4 up to that point for me, made it shine even brighter in comparison at the time.
Agree
This was a little harder than I thought I knew what my top 3 were and i thought I knew what my other 2 would be but I started debating within myself for a little bit. Most of the episodes eliminated were really good/great episodes I think we are just at the place right now that we have to think about what are the episodes we would not mind watching over and over again and never get tired of. Unfortunately there were several that I did not vote for that I love to re-watch.
Yeah, it is starting to get crazy, in my opinion. This is clearly a Rumpel friendly pole because a lot of these episodes that are left, i don’t even like. Hat Trick is one of the best Emma episodes and is, in my opinion, worlds above most of this Rumpel stuff with the exception of Manhattan which while it has its Rumpel in it also has a lot of really great Bae and Rumpel as well as Emma and Bae scenes. It is more of an everybody episode then just Rumpel stuff. Seriously, Hat Trick and Snow Falls don’t make it and yet Desperate Souls and the Crocodile linger on? I am just never going to be a Rumpel fan.
I think part of the problem is that I am still a Rumple fan but most definitely no longer an Emma fan (don’t like her at all by the end of the series). I would even say that I am more of a Regina fan than an Emma, Snow, Charming fan so I was more likely to pick episodes that favored Regina over Emma. Hat Trick was a good episode about Jefferson but I would have voted for Stable Boy or Heartless over it because as of right now I would much rather watch a Regina centered episode over an Emma one even if it was first season. Manhattan was just an OUTSTANDING episode all together with unbelievable acting and writing especially by Emma (I think this was altogether her best episode along with 1×22). Desperate Souls is how we initially found out how the Dark One came to be Rumple and was basically his first real centered episode. Crocodile is the introduction of Hook, although I like it because of the Charming/Rumple relationship (whatever happened to that), the Milah backstory, and the Rumbelle feels. I guess to each their own.
It makes us realize all the missed opportunities OUAT did by killing off Bae. His relationship with Rumple, Henry, and Gideon would have been great to explore and see. Unfortunately OUAT could not see pass the love triangle they threw together and could not get out of. How much better this show would have been if they had just stuck to their original ideas. I hope they end up doing a photo at some point of the whole Stiltskin family, Rumple, Belle, Bae, Gideon, and Henry (although is he at this con?)
Wow that was hard, I seem to know what my top 4 are but it is hard to decide the other 6 because you have to debate within yourself which one should get your vote.
I agree with bibliophile that a re watch is worth our time especially the first three seasons. My question has always been what if we had kept some of the characters that we threw away so easily how would that have changed the show and would it have brought some new energy, I am thinking like Merlin, Hades, Mr. Hyde or used barely used characters in a more productive way Leroy, Jefferson (I know he had better things), Grace, Archie, Nova, etc. Instead of Henry having a relationship with a girl we did not know and really did not care about how about Grace which could have been built as a slow friendship and small crush. I think that would have been better. Merlin was a very charismatic character and I think OUAT could have done SO much with him if they kept him around the same with Hades and Hyde.
I think it is just because the final episodes are newer so people have seen them less. I think it is as simple as that and there is nothing wrong with that. That is something that happens. It feels fresher and therefore more exciting as apposed to something that we saw many years ago. It is just a trick of familiarity
I think people are voting for the final episode because it is the ending and just like the beginning it is pretty important. Were there problems with it, yes but none the less it is a very important episode.
I think the latter episodes are getting a little bashed because there were some great episodes that everyone raved about when they came out gone (Nimue). I think the season 1 and 2 episodes are more memorable for the opposite reason that you stated. We know them because we have watched them at least for me several times. I have probably seen season 1-3 at least 3 times and season 1 probably 5 times. Skin Deep at least a dozen. Every time I introduced someone to OUAT I would watch it with them so I am completely familiar with all of those episodes. Season 4-6 I had to remind myself what episode that was. The Apprentice was a very good episode with a lot of humor in it. Now am I saying that season 3B-6 even comes close to 1-3A Nope, but there were some really good episodes that are going to get eliminated because we have not seen them and fallen in love with them as much as we have Season 1 episodes (Hat Trick) which was the introduction of Jefferson but honestly was only fairly good not great.
