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Im guessing Rumpel. Or Belle
I think it would be great if Rumple gave up his power freely to bring down the black fairy and save his son, that it how the series should end, but I doubt that he would give up his power with several more episodes to go.
[adrotate group="5"]I suspect that crystal/shard will be able to absorb her powers or something to turn it into an emerald. Not sure how that fits in with everything else though?
That makes sense. When we were introduced to Zelena in season 3 didn’t she have a necklace that made her more powerful and without it she would be powerless. I don’t know what ever happened to that or why she can continue to be powerful without it, but maybe she has to sacrifice some of her power to help bring down the black fairy.
Well since he said “big” sacrifice I am going to assume it does not necessarily mean death. Maybe Zelena gives up something she loves or maybe someone gives up some power.
I love the dress, and she looks lovely in it but I do agree that it is a little too princess like for Emma.
Perhaps it’s just something simple like he’s recording the wedding for the book.
I got this wonderful mental image of Henry holding up the book like a video recorder and recording the wedding in the book.
For what it’s worth, I actually don’t mind the circularity of the debate — it can be helpful to have someone stick to an opposite position in an argument, since it allows you to clarify your own thinking. For this reason, I actually appreciate @darkonedearie ‘s contributions, though I think I can count on the fingers of one hand the times we agreed Of course, once the conversation gets shaped around trolling for lulz — which is what I think this last iteration is — there’s nothing particularly interesting about it.
Agree Completely, I love to debate and I appreciate an opposite side even if we don’t come to a middle ground.
Because one person on Tumblr means anything? Oh or are you talking about all the bitter SQ shippers online that are gonna boycott the episode. The funniest thing is none of those people live in the USA so watch or not watch they don’t matter to ABC. This is the only forum online that is anti CS and that’s why this place is a safe-haven for the CS haters. Hey though somethings we all need our safe place.
I don’t know what you are talking about or why you felt the need to respond with nothing. I am pointing out that a very well known OUAT Tumblr review who is usually very PRO CS sees the same things we are seeing. I am sorry that you don’t like that or that you feel threatened that other people may share our opinions. I believe Screwball Ninja is from New York as it says at the top of the website. Have you read anything of hers? Have you looked at the website? If not then why are you responding. I could care less if this is the only forum that is what you call Anti CS, I come to this website because it is intelligent and analytical.
f you could, would you’d link it? I’d like to read it (not just for this debate) I stopped reading Screwball awhile back because she had a bit of a pro-CS slant and largely disagreed with her. (
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/
No Problem, my son had to help me as I am technologically inept. I agree that Screwball Ninja is known to be very fair to all characters and ships and she has been especially Pro-CS. So even she can see what the writers are telling everyone who is not a CS fan or a I just want Emma to be happy fans, and that is Emma is no longer Emma and Hook is still not on a redemption arc.
Just wanted to point out that Screwball Ninja reviewed this episode and agreed with almost everything we are saying. Emma is not Emma anymore and Hook has not had a true redemption arc. It was a great review and very funny as always. I am just pointing this out, because she is known to be extremely fair to Hook and Emma and very analytical to her ship (Rumbelle) so it is not just “this website” that sees CS as a problem right now.
I think the main sticking point for most people about Hook isn’t that he’s done bad things (most of the characters on this show have done bad things at some point), it’s the fact that he suffers no consequences for these bad things which builds resentment. For example, in season 2, Hook threatened Belle, shot her and made her lose he memories. His “redemption” arc started at the end of season 2 yet he did not genuinely apologise to her until season 6. In-universe the time span between those two seasons might not be long (though it’s over a year because of the missing year), however, for the audience it’s been 4 YEARS! Yet somehow, Belle and Hook became best friends and everyone thinks the sun shines out of Hook’s backside. Now, in all fairness, Hook has made some great leaps forward in season 6. I used to HATE Hook during seasons 2,3,4 and 5 but now during season 6 I actually kind of like him (if only because of the fact that he one of the only characters, besides Rumple and Gideon, that gives a damn about Belle). I think Hook garners a lot of hate, not necessarily because of Hook himself, but because of how bad he makes other characters look. More specifically, how bad he makes EMMA look. Emma is not the same character we met in season 1. This has nothing to do with her “walls” or lack of them now, it’s her personality. Emma has had a personality transplant for the worse. She used to care about people, anyone who needed help, regardless of who they are, now the only one Emma cares about is Hook. Even her own son and family fall by the wayside. CS is unhealthy because of Emma’s tunnel vision. If the writers were trying to make a point about how anyone, even “heroes”, could find themselves in an unhealthy relationship, then CS would be a great storyline as we see Emma get sucked in more and more as the series progresses. However, the writers have tried to play CS as this “great romance” and it’s just not built right. Hook and Emma had GREAT CHEMISTRY in Tallahassee (back when Emma was still Emma) and the writers could’ve built from there a snarky relationship that develops into something more. Instead they have Hook leave Emma and co to die in a cell, he terrorises Belle and shoots her, betrays Regina to GOAT, and nearly leaving the town to die. All terrible things that should’ve at least garnered a “What the hell, Hook?!” if not more. He came back to help and assisted in travelling to Neverland to save Henry, a good first step, but suddenly all he he’s interested in is getting into Emma’s pants. He didn’t go to Neverland for Henry’s sake, he went because it would make him look good to Emma. The moment Hook looks like he’s making progress, he takes two steps back. Does he get called out on this behaviour? Nope! Emma turns a blind eye. That the problem. The Emma we knew in the early seasons would’ve taken Hook down several pegs instead of pandering after him and ignoring any of his misdeeds. Emma is no longer Emma. Add in the bizarre costume choices and Emma looks ill, she’s lost that bright spark she had in the early seasons. Hook is now the more sympathetic character in the CS relationship because he’s inadvertently got himself attached to a clingy, needy woman. It wouldn’t surprise me if Emma goes all Misery on him and breaks his ankles with a wooden mallet just so that he can’t leave her, physically, literally and metaphorically.
ALL OF THIS AND AMEN
Wow, simply wow. The grudges on here are just astounding.
I don’t think this is about grudges, I think it is about character development which I feel has not been done very well with Hook. Has he made good decisions in season 6, yes but that does not make up for all the absolutely horrible ones he has made in the past. That is what we are saying, at least that is what I am saying. The writers had an excellent opportunity to help us non Hook fans like him and feel some sympathy for Hook this season by having him tell both Emma and Charming the truth and then dealing with the fall out. Instead we got Hook lying and trying to cover up his crimes (like he has done multiple times in the past) and then everyone saying well we forgive you for all that with no CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. By the way this is also discounting the horrendous episode where you have Hook doing nothing but yelling at everyone, insisting that Nemo fight a Cracken after Nemo said he did not want to, sinking the Nautilus, and again NOT APOLOGIZING. It is like the writers don’t want us to like Hook and guess what I still don’t.
