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’m trying to think about any counterexamples of the man saving the “villainous” woman and literally nothing comes to mind.
Will saving Anastasia in Wonderland, very old Rumbelle like which is probably why I loved that series.
[adrotate group="5"]’m trying to think about any counterexamples of the man saving the “villainous” woman and literally nothing comes to mind.
Will saving Anastasia in Wonderland, very old Rumbelle like which I probably why I loved that series.
I mean, fair I guess. But she did banish Rumple. In Rumple’s case, he’s trying to win Belle back. It just seemed dirtier.
Actually, I take this back you are right, this was absolutely despicable on Rumple’s part and he had no real intention of pursuing this as a legitimate relationship other than a power move. You are also right that it was even worse because he was trying to get Belle back. Belle at least was pursuing a actual relationship that has some iota of truth in it.
For example, Rumple slept with Belle and Belle only agreed to that when she thought he was done with darkness for for good. She thought he was going to be the hero she wanted. But then he went and took the darkness back from Emma and took all the power of the DO’s, and then lied to Belle about it. How about in season 4 when he said the thing he cared about the most was her, but then the gauntlet he had from camelot that shows what you care about the most led her straight to the dagger (or maybe the hat, it’s a little fuzzy but it led her to Rumple’s power). Or what about when he had a fake dagger and led Belle to believe it was the real one? Now tell me, when has Belle ever LIED to Rumple like that when it comes to their relationship? If Rumple just gave up the darkness and his lust for power, none of this stuff would have happened and they would be quite happy together. So then how can you put the blame and the majority of the abuse on Belle?
We have gotten off track, my argument is that Rumple is a not good guy or that he has not done bad things. My argument is that this season the relationship is abusive and that everyone wants to blame Rumple for all the abuse and whether you like it or not Belle has done some incredibly hurtful and “abusive” things to Rumple this season also. They are both to blame. I am not putting all the blame on Belle that would be ridiculous but she is not totally innocent in this either. That is the issue, you want to excuse all of Belle’s behaviors and say she does not have to take any responsibility for this and I am saying Nope they are both at fault this season.
think you are forgetting why Belle even put herself under the sleeping curse to begin with. We could honestly go back and forth until they first met to see causes and effects and reactions between these two. I just happen to see it as
She put herself under a sleeping curse because Rumple made a deal over 200 years ago about his second born child, which he thought at the time he would never have. He then thought he took care of the problem when he killed the person. I don’t know how that factors into any of this.
And cheating on her with the EQ. Don’t forget that. But no, let’s blame Belle. Eye roll….
And Belle cheating on Rumple with Will eye roll
And as far as the cuff incident….are you forgetting why she wanted to get the sorcerer’s wand? It was so she could get far away from him bc he was threatening the child. So again, she was reacting to his behavior. She rarely ever does something that isn’t a direct reaction toward something he says or does.
Nope, she wanted the wand because the door of the shop was locked for the last couple of days and she knew he was in there, so he must be up to no good. “he’s closed the shop he has been in there for days, I know he is up to something” that is why she decided to work with Zelena and steal the wand. I mean did it occur to her that he was thinking about what she said? Nope she automatically assumed he was up to no good and was aggressive in working with Zelena stealing a wand, and running away without even asking him what he was doing. After their conversation where she stated that “if you want your son’s love don’t take it be worthy of it” so she says this and then doesn’t even give him a chance to do so. That is inconsistency
How about when he said he was going to use the shears of destiny on Gideon to change his fate so Gideon wouldn’t hate him?
He has never said that. Evil Queen said that, told Zelena that, who told Belle that. Could that have been his plan, maybe but we are not sure. Question here would be if it wasn’t his plan why didn’t he tell her so, but then again we got that answer last episode with the acceleration of the pregnancy, he does not think she would believe him.
How about when Belle simply hid away from Rumple bc she was legitimately afraid of him so then Rumple forced her to stay on the ship which almost cost her and their son’s life?
Why was she legitimately afraid of him in the first place, this was right after the wake up of the sleeping curse, in which he stated that he would try and be the best person he could be for her. So she is going off the sayings of a Morpheus grown up child which we have already discussed how wrong that was. Right before the sleeping curse she stated “I do know who you truly are, that’s why I love you” and then in this scene we have Rumple honestly telling her that he is here to protect her and the baby from Hyde and her saying “the only person we need protecting from is you” that is both untrue at this time and verbally abusive. What exactly has he done to her that needs protecting from?
Yes we must be seeing it differently which is interesting. I don’t view it as two wrongs because I view it as Belle behaving and reacting to Rumple’s inconsistencies. So when she says he can possibly see the child, it’s usually when he’s saying something nicer or does something nicer. And then she freaks out and says you’re a beast and you will never see our son when he locks her on a ship or puts a cuff on her and threatens to steal her baby. To me, she’s just reacting to what Rumple is doing. Rumple is always the aggressor and then she acts accordingly, or at least that’s how I perceive it. Now it comes off as Belle being wishy washy and inconsistent but that’s only because Rumple can’t make up his damn mind on what he wants to be!
Okay let’s see if we can get on the same page, give me a specific example of when Rumple was the aggressor and was the first one to be inconsistent. Definitely was not the cuff incident, because he was just hanging out in his shop not bothering anyone when she freaked out and decided to work with Zelena to steal a wand to take her and their baby to a place he could not find them. That is her being the aggressor and inconsistant
Has Belle been inconsistent with what she tells Rumple? Yup, she has. But has Rumple been inconsistent with what he’s told Belle? Yup, he most certainly has. So I can’t blame Belle for being inconsistent when it seems she’s only reacting to the inconsistencies of Rumple.
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So what you are saying is that two wrongs make a right? They are both to blame for the inconsistencies. We must be seeing this from a completely different angles because I see it as Belle being inconsistent and Rumple reacting to those inconsistencies. Still does not make it right just means they are both to blame. Belle is not just an innocent victim in all this she is an active member of the abuse.
To people who saying Belle is being abusive, what does Belle *not* being abusive look like? While still protecting her from Rumple’s abuse, and protecting her safety, personal agency, and basic-dignity?
Wow, I went to bed early and look what happened. I am going to give one example but could give many more. Belle not being “abusive” could look like this
1. Text Rumple “Hey Rumple you are really scaring me, how about opening up the shop so we can talk” (non abusive)
2. Knocking on the shop door really loudly and saying “Rumple I know you are in there open up so we can talk” (non abusive)
3. Using a key I am sure she has and unlocking the shop door finding Rumple and saying Hey we need to talk (non abusive)
4. Asking Emma to unspell the door (if it is magically protected) and then finding Rumple and saying Hey we need to talk (non abusive)
Running to the woman who KILLED his son and working with her to steal a wand to take her and their baby to a place that he will never find them because he locked the shop door while he was in there(ABUSIVE)
I do agree with that. Belle’s being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman who uses her love as a weapon and bargaining tool. “Do what I want and I’ll love you. If you don’t behave in a manner I like, then I take my love away!”
Not only take my love away but take your kid away and you will never get to see him. That is a problem. And to say that she is being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman discounts all the problems of last season when she did the exact same thing. I love you, I hate you. We can be together, I don’t want you. Belle has been emotionally tormenting Rumple since he woke up from the coma, and he has been taking it. Sounds like he is the victim when you put it that way.
“Hey look! That guy who mentally and emotionally assaulted his wife got forgiven and a happy ending! Women in these kinds of relationships…just keep on trucking. And taking him back. He’ll change for you eventually.”
Why do we always leave off the abuse that Belle is inflicting on Rumple. Rumple is not the only one being abusive is this relationship. I am not excusing his behavior although I will say that I agree with Keb that it was done in the thought of protecting Belle and his son. Pirate ship was done becasue he thought she was in danger from EQ and Hyde, cuff link was done in response to Belle stating that she was taking their kid and leaving so he could never find her or his son again. Rumple is almost always defensive and not offensive. Most of this abuse comes form the verbal and emotional abuse that Belle has been throwing at him. I know this is not the popular opinion but I am calling it like I am seeing it, Belle is being just as abusive to Rumple as he is to her, does that make all this okay, NO but we need to stop thinking of Rumple as the evil guy and Belle the innocent victim. They are both to blame in this horrible situation and they both need to work on their behaviors.
