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Well there were things I loved and things I hated about this episode, I give it a 7/10
Liked:
Rumple fixing the chipped cup, will always love Rumbelle and there main symbol has always been and will always be the cup.
Rumple is still Rumple, he knows what is going on, who is keeping secrets, and why. This is what made his character so great in the first couple of season of OUAT. I also liked the fact that while he was clearly unhappy with Regina for keeping this from him, he did not immediately seek revenge on her and instead they had a conversation and decided to try and work together.
Ivy showing some girl power and fighting off her assailant.
Ivy and Regina I think Regina is great in the role of a teacher and Ivy as her student. I wished we would have gotten more of that.
I actually liked the symbolism of the lanterns leading them to home which is each other. It also served as a symbol of Ivy’s need for a guiding light (Anna) in her life. They followed this up with the reminder that Belle was Rumple’s guiding light and Regina wants to be Facilier’s light. Past, present, future that was really well done
Rumple knowing Anna was the guardian (although that will definitely be in my dislikes) and willingly and without any issues letting her go so that she could be with her sister. Rumple has come along way, when he does good things he is closer to Belle. Loved this!
Rumple also showing that he still has some bite also. At the core Rumple is a don’t mess with my family or you will pay the consequences guy and that is still very much the same. He felt like the dark one when talking to Facilier and I like the complexity of Rumple being a good guy but also everyone knowing not to mess with him.
Last week I made a joke about Facilier being the guardian in one of the forums and this week I am not joking, maybe he is the guardian. Maybe he does want the dark one dagger so he can take it away from Rumple so he can become mortal and be reunited with Belle.
I did like the fact that Faclier gave Regina the magic so she could help stop the curse on Henry. I wished we had some backstory on these two because I want to like them together but we have way to little information on how they met, why they are together, and how this fits into Regina’s timeline.
I was very sad to see Ivy go because her character was the best of the season after Alice but I was happy that Ivy and Anna got a happy ending.
Disliked:
When did Anna become the guardian, why is she the guardian, and how does everyone know? Rumple thought she MIGHT be the guardian but we never get the end story of this. Is she the one who was in the land that Rumple was trying to find? They just left this huge story hanging. Another question is she THE guardian or A guardian. How many guardians are there?
Hansel and Gretel: I know this is EF2 but really come up with something else. There are so many fairy tales OUAT can pull from pick ones you have not already done.
So Jack is the one killing witches. Why? This seemed so out of left field that it was anticlimactic. One of the things I used to love about OUAT was that they would give us subtle clues throughout several episodes and then make a big reveal. There were absolutely no connection that I could see that Jack was the one killing witches. Does anyone remember when Peter Pan made breakfast for Rumple and said I made them just how you like them. That was the moment when I went huh that sounds like something a parent would say, and guess what a couple of episodes later we find out he is Rumple’s dad. Whatever happened to this subtle hinting.
Henry/Jack/Rogers: It was clumsy, badly written, and just not good. I could have cared less that they were supposed to be friends because we never really got any backstory on this other than maybe a scene or two. Waste of what little time OUAT has left.
Henry and Jacinda: Another waste of time. They are horrible together without any chemistry. When she walked through the door, I was like yeah saw that one coming. Really Badly Done!!!!! Writers we know they are end game, de-emphasize them completely and spend your time on more interesting characters.
Ivy: Here is a character I actually care about, why not have her stick around awhile longer and give her more of a story instead of doing some wand waving and poof she is gone back to EF2.
[adrotate group="5"]Yes. We know this because A. Baelfire was still Henry’s father (even though his name shouldn’t technically be Henry, since Regina never adopted him), and B. Nook was already an old man, when Emma and Regina first met him, but he was young, when he had Alice.
Yet all that happened once the wish was made so everything before it would be false memories. That is the problem. The whole thing did not exist until it was wished. So it started as Nook being old, fat, and drunk. It started when Henry was a young adult. This is why none of this makes any sense. To make sense you have to assume that the wish realm was always there and then if Nook was in Neverland why didn’t real Hook ever see him, why wasn’t there any confusion from the other characters that there were two Hooks hanging around. This why the whole Wish Realm thing should have never been brought back up.
Alice’s father is made of wish power. Maybe that’s an important part of Gothel’s plan.
I like that theory! I think it is probably a combination of both her mom and dad, but I actually don’t have much problem with accepting these powers in her.
Did anyone else laugh at the Harry Potter car scene. I was just waiting for the car doors to fly open.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that her father spent so much time in Neverland. But could require magical blood.
But did Nook actually spend time in Neverland? We have to remember he is a wish and his existence did not actually start until after the wish. He may have false memories of time in Neverland but should not have actually spent anytime there and if he did how in the world did he get there from wish world?
I hope he is actually the guardian and wants to free Rumple from the dark one curse. We haven’t heard anything about the guardian in a long while so maybe we are just getting back on track. I doubt this, I think it is going to be used to create conflict between Regina and Rumple. Rumple will find out that Facilier wants the dagger, Regina knew this and didn’t tell him or it will be used to get Rumple back on the villainous side. If there is anything that terrifies Rumple it is the thought of being powerless, which he is when someone else controls the dagger, and when he gets scared he usually makes very bad decisions.
I Really liked this episode! I give it a 8.9/10
Liked:
Alice/Tilly is so much fun. I haven’t felt this excited about a character since Rumple in season 1. The actress is outstanding I mean when she feels upset, sad, excited, happy, whatever I feel the exact same way for her.
Alice and Hook’s relationship is really growing on me. I mean when I first found out, I thought it was a stupid ploy to try and get us anti-hook fans to like him, well guess what is kinda worked I don’t hate Nook.
I enjoyed the sisterly moments between Regina and Zelena this episode.
I could care less if it is not end game I totally ship Ivy and Henry
Alice quoting Nook with a very profound “You meet loads of people in this world but the best ones will challenge you, make you see the world through a whole new looking glass” Loved this quote, loved the moment between Alice and Robyn. Probably why I tend to ship villains with good hearted mates that can help them see redemption as an option.
Mixed/Disliked:
So I am trying to figure out the timeline of when Regina and Facilier were somehow a couple. So Facilier and Zelena know each other? So is this from the EF2 or before, because Zelena and Regina did not officially meet until Season 3 when Regina was getting together with Robin Hood and was definitely on the road to redemption from Evil Queen. Really should have just had them meet in EF2.
Regina why would you send your granddaughter into a person’s house you do not trust to snoop around. I mean Lucy is what 12? Bad Grandma move.
Why would Facilier want Rumple’s dagger? Just seems random. I would hope despite their twisted past that Regina would not betray Rumple in that way, I am not so sure about Zelena but Regina who she is now would not do that. Actually even in season 1 or 2 I don’t think Regina would do it, she has always had an I can mess with him but no one else can attitude.
I remember in season 2 after Cora’s death Rumple and Regina having a conversation where Rumple says “you still haven’t learned your lesson, you can’t have everything.” Those words come back to haunt villains all the time. Rumple obviously didn’t take his own advice several times between season 4-6. That quote came back this episode with Regina and Facilier when Facilier tells Regina or you can have everything. That always means trouble on OUAT.
I’d also like a lot more explanation, but I’m happy in taking solace that at least this jump isn’t between our world and Wish Realm or anything, but between two magical realms.
The thing that doesn’t make sense to me, is I thought the Wish Realm did not exist until Emma wished it into existence? Wasn’t that stated somewhere? If that is true the wish realm should not be in existence at this time, right? I don’t know it is all way to convoluted for me now and I totally forgot that Alice and Emma where basically the same age in wish realm timeline but does that only count as Nook as he can travel back and forth to the wish realm? Anyway I think it was an incredibly bad idea to bring the wish realm back at all, it complicates a lot of story lines at least it should.
This episode was entertaining, I would give it a 7/10
Liked:
Alice: I have no idea why I find her so entertaining but I absolutely love her character and the actress is doing an outstanding job of giving us a Rumplestiltskinish character in modern HH. I feel the same way about her as I do when Rumple gives a long speech to someone. I want to yell “LISTEN she is saying something important”.
Henry and Ivy: I thought the scene between them was very sweet. Too bad Henry and Jacinda are end game, because I could have really gotten behind a Henvy ship.
Gothel is very manipulative and menacing, when she was waving at Alice I was actually creeped out.
Ivy and Jacinda: OUAT does well needed hugs very well and I like them a lot. Ivy totally needed a hug and Jacinda was a good choice.
Alice and Nook in modern day are angsty but I am actually rooting for this daddy/daughter combo.
Mixed/Dislike:
Wish Realm Rumple: Okay how in the world can Nook travel from Enchanted Forrest 2 to the Wish Realm? So if the Wish Realm is part of this universe then there are two Rumples hanging around, Two Henry’s hanging around, Two Evil Queen’s and a Robin Hood, not to mention that at this time there is also a Snow, Charming, Emma, Granny, etc in the wish realm alive and ruling. They opened a huge can of worms here which is a really stupid idea. I am trying to piece together this time line, which I know bad idea but when Nook visits Wish Realm Emma and Neal are together and Henry has been born, right? This is about 28-35 years after the failed curse?
Nook not only decides to break a deal with the dark one (bring me the magic hook and I will help free your daughter) but then decides to prove he is a good pirate by dueling with pistols with some other pirate that does not matter? Bad decisions all the way around. Gothel is actually right here, Nook has proven that he put his pride before being a father. Epic fail Nook.
So Timeless came back for season 2, did anyone watch it?
I thought it was pretty good, it seems like they have a definite direction this season. I still feel this show has a lot of potential, they just need to concentrate on how changing the past affects the future and not sweep it under the rug. I also feel they need to de-emphasize Lucy and Wyatt. They don’t have much chemistry, I keep hoping he will be able to bring back his wife. I think Lucy and Flynn have more chemistry, but then again he was the highlight of last season and by far the most dynamic character.
Much improved over last week I give it a 7.5/10
Liked:
My daughter informed me and then gave me the full story of S-Town which is a podcast about a podcaster who goes to a small town to investigate a murder. Apparently the intro was almost exactly like the H-Town podcast in the show. I am wondering if there are going to be other similarities since HH currently has a murderer on the loose. I may have to listen to the podcast, my daughter listened to it in a college English elective and said it was really informative.
Nice twist having someone killing the witches in the coven instead of the other way around, I am now fully interested in who is killing them and why.
Dr. Facilier is intriguing. I liked him from earlier this season and he is definitely nice to look at. I would love to know the backstory on him and Regina. Apparently he knew her when she was the Evil Queen, but I don’t ever remember any mention of him.
I enjoyed Hook and Rumple again this week and I think they play nicely off of each other
Why does Regina, Zelena, and Rumple have to worry that witches are being killed? How does this effect them personally? Rumple seemed to think that the three of them would now be in danger?
Mixed/Disliked:
I Like Tiana’s character in HH but not so much in the flashbacks. I found Tiana and Prince Naveen rather stiff and boring. She had more chemistry with Dr. Facilier.
Zelena’s wardrobe, please cover her up a little we don’t need to see that much cleavage.
Still not feeling Henry and Cinderella and Lucy either in HH or in EF2. There best bet would be to show them as little as possible and concentrate on other characters.
