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The incident with Merida felt very much like foreshadowing. Emma almost goes dark by almost killing someone. Last season Emma did end up going over the “dark” line when she DID kill someone. It’s a theme with Emma, apparently. I can see her going fully dark because she murdered someone–either because she thought it was the right thing to do (for reasons) or because she simply lost control for one moment.
I think it has to be option 1 if we are heading down this path just because of warning she is given in the opening scene, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is still the wrong thing and will lead down the wrong path.
[adrotate group="5"]“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
I want to see more of her if only so that we can get some more info related to the timeline of current enchanted forest to Brave. For the triplets to still be though of as lads is can’t have been too long since the film ended but to extend on that Merida was only 16 during the events of the movie so is it possible we have our first teenaged princess in the main timeline for Once? Maybe she has a thing for authors and we can get some Henry/Merida shipping going :D?
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
While I think the usher is probably Merlin, I am also wondering if it is a red herring and he is actually someone just acting as Merlin’s messenger, perhaps someone like Archimedes (yes he wasn’t in the original Arthurian myths and that does seem to be where they are basing things on rather than Sword in the Stone). The writers something like to play with us fans with things like that :).
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
So when I saw the premiere a few days ago, I actually gasped out loud at this reveal. I rather LOVE it. I think that’s a very interesting narrative point and sets up a thesis for the show as a whole. The sword is supposed to be a weapon of good, only working in the hands of a divinely appointed Messiah King. The fact that the missing bit of it is a weapon of evil and corruption speaks to the fact that there is very little that separates lights and dark and how in order to be complete you need both. I wonder if Merlin forged the blade and it broke into the dagger when he tethered the Darkness to a human.
Along a similar line, I was thinking that it might have been something like the sword being too powerful a tool for light and unbalancing everything. Is anyone else getting the feeling that the final message of the series could be that both light and darkness must exist in balance for the world to continue and that is why the most powerful weapons of both sides is in fact part of the same whole? I don’t think that any of our characters are purely either good or evil at this point (although I could concede on Cruella) but are all trying to balance both sides of themselves.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
I am wanting to stick with Merlin as Lilly’s father because he turns into a dragon in Disney animated cannon during the wizard’s dual in Sword in the Stone and he is the only male we have seen that does so.
Although with the ways twists work around here Mal could have hooked up with Mushu for all we know 😀
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
“Blasted birds, I’ll show you what angry’s like”, I would place that as one of the best lines of the season, not just the episode.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
1. Yeah I think it is clear who it is to us here on the forums but I am looking forward to the hints that could be dropped for the next few eps for the more causal fans.
2. I like the ideas from the above posters but am wondering if it could be the sorcerer or author in order to create a bridge between those two major storylines.
3. In our world, I am guessing brought by Ursula and Cruella as the QoD were able to find/create a portal that only took 3 people through or needed someone to remain in EF for it to work (that sacrifice was be a nice mirror for Snow/Mal). I can’t see either Cruella or Urusla playing mommy or that Mal would have trusted them with her kid long term anyway based on the comments in the flashback.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
Hans Christian Andersen wrote a lengthy tale “The Marsh King’s daughter” about a girl named Helga. There is a connection to water lilys in it. Here a summary of it (it has a link to the text in it). As usual for Andersen it’s somewhat darker stuff, .
An interesting element of that story is that Helga’s mother dressed as a wild swan before she was taken by the marsh king, here we have another link between Helga and Emma.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
Thanks for the detailed feedback.
Just a few additions. What you deciphered as ‘kij’ is ‘king’ – the Ingwaz rune for ‘ng’ can have different forms, the one you see in Ingrid but as well can look more like a rhomb or square (in the Elder Furthak).
Normally I would agree but I found it too strange that they used two different versions of the same rune on the same document, it seemed illogical, but it could very well be the rhomb.
Why in ‘wueen’ they use Wynn rune, so ‘w’, instead of Kaun rune, ‘k’, like they correctly did in ‘king’, beats me. Etymological ‘queen’ is Old English ‘cwen’, so probably that’s why they used ‘w’, though would have made more sense instead of the rune for ‘u’, so ‘kween’, but whatever.
Again I would have expected that and does make much more sense but the artist clearly didn’t agree.
And I am pretty sure there is an ‘i’ before the rune for ‘d’, so it’s Astrid As we can sure guess it’s Gerda Good work. (and nice that my nerdy exploration of runes for history class in high school pays of a bit now, lol)
Astrid was what I assumed it was intended and I will happily assume that my low res image didn’t show up the stroke. Also, I wish I went to your high school, my history classes only gave me a extended knowledge of Greek and Norse gods and Ancient Roman military tactics.
Oh and SFG they only showed the maternal grandmother’s family shield in the frame.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
I am thinking there is much more to Lilly that we will find out in a later season and I think it will be that she is a villain.
It’s really sad that we think she will be evil. It’s like the good guys get no play here anymore. I am going to be different and say she is a hero like Harry Potter. Her scar means something and like Emma, she has a destiny to fulfill. Lily was also adopted, as she said. Who are her parents? Also, this episode had tons of SwanQueen moments…. I’m not going to lie… I could easily hop aboard this Emma/Lilly ship. Let’s see where the future takes us.
Sadly, when was the last time we got a new character that was a good guy straight off? Hook started as a villain, Neal was the guy that got Emma arrested, Greg and Tamara kidnap Henry, even Elsa was feared as a villain for a bit, that is not to say that Lilly couldn’t become quickly reformed. The only guys that has stayed basically good is Robin Hood. I am loving the idea that she has a fairy connection and that seems very plausible (and missing the star connect make me think I should stop speculating after missing something so obvious).
StoryBrookeGirl, I never knew the mirror connection in the Lillith myth but it does seem to be possible connection for this arch.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry Pratchett
