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There is a say that goes:
“if you kill a man, you are a killer, if you kill 10, you are a monster, if you kill 1000, you are a hero, if you kill 10 000… you are a conqueror!”
I can’t remember who said that, but it is perfectly applicable here, and in all wars: Everything depend on the social acceptation or not towards the act.[adrotate group="5"]@slurpeez108 wrote:
@Andreth Stark wrote:
mmm…if Henry sr. and Eva were brother and sister, according to what I got from “The queen is dead” (“the tiara was of my mother and of her mother before her”, etc…) , the kingdom passes from mother to daughter (because if it were inherited in the masculine line, then the royal tiara wouldn’t belong to Eva’s family but to Leopold’s), so, despite Hery being a prince, he couldn’t become an actual king, but a noble bannerman, lord of his own lands, etc…
While Eva did get the tiara from her maternal line, that doesn’t mean she was the crown princess who would become the ruler of her father’s kingdom. (If she had a brother, it’d be his birthright to rule). It just means she was born a royal princess, as could both her mother and grandmother have been. It’s very common for royals to marry other royals, so Eva’s mother could have been a princess by birth who then married a king, Eva’s father. If that is true, Eva is royal by both sets of parents. Eva then became a queen, not by birth, but by marriage to King Leopold, Snow’s father. As an only child, however, Snow didn’t have to compete with an older brother to become a queen by birthright. See the difference?
Actually… i don’t. Well, yes, i a manner of speaking, but let me explain my point; First of all, tiaras, crowns, and other royalty symbols, were not a personal belonging, but the symbol of the status. I mean, it was the heir who got them. A queen in those times was a “queen consort”, that is to say, if there is a tiara for the queen, it goes to the queen who goes after her in that kingdom. If the king sent his daughter to marry other prince, then she would inherit the tiara, crown, etc… of this new kingdom she is going to be queen of, since those are symbols, not belongings. For instance, when Isabella I the Catholic sent her daughter to England to marry Henry VIII, Catherine of Aragon didn’t bring with her her mother’s royal jewels, since she was not the heir of them; she had to wear her new land’s royal jewelry.
Secondly, in a medieval settlement with traditional male lineage, without a male heir, the kingdom would pass to the closer and older male sibling. In this case, after the dead of Leopold… who? where was the civil war that a king’s death, with just a tirant wife with no male legit children and a daughter, lead to in that times?
The fact that nobility just accepted that Regina was the Queen and Snow would be queen after her makes me think (among other things) in a female lineage.
Not only that, also the urgency Leopold had to find a new queen “for his child shake”, not “to get a legit male heir” -in the sense George worried about being heirless-. And also, despite royals marrying royals, there is something odd in how that kingdom was. Eva ruled. And after that, Regina. And then, “Snow was the one who adressed people, Charming was the sword”.
It is sort of a female lineage kingdom. Not something frequent in Medieval times, but quite recurrent in legends and fantasy. It even reinforce the contrast with George’s kingdom: Charming, who came from George’s kingdom, preferred a male firstborn than a female (in the cell of Rumpelstiltskin, in the pilot, he quickly answers that “it is a boy” to the wizard’s question “Which is the name of the girl?”) , something Snow didn’t care about; she was even proud of her firstborn being a woman.mmm…if Henry sr. and Eva were brother and sister, according to what I got from “The queen is dead” (“the tiara was of my mother and of her mother before her”, etc…) , the kingdom passes from mother to daughter (because if it were inherited in the masculine line, then the royal tiara wouldn’t belong to Eva’s family but to Leopold’s), so, despite Hery being a prince, he couldn’t become an actual king, but a noble bannerman, lord of his own lands, etc…
Besides, if Henry sr. was Eva’s brother… how is it that he didn’t seem to remember Leopold in “The stable boy”? I mean, surely he would remember his sister’s husband. Even more, how is it that he agreed to marry his daughter to her uncle? how is it that Regina didn’t know her cousin? how is it that Eva didn’t visit her brother in all those years? sound strange to me…
@RumplesGirl wrote:
12. La Tandoor Indian Restaurant — Anyone else think of Aladdin?
I thought Aladdin was a Chinese guy and that his story was settled in Maghreb. That Indian Restaurant makes me think of The Jungle Book and Mowgli ^^
@Keb wrote:
I suppose I should add that I ship Henrybon entirely, am in favor of Swanfire, and would really love to see more of Grumpy & Nova.
I’m maybe an idiot,but what is Henrybon? 😳
I have a LOT of them… well, actually i’m more in the literature fadom, but still…
In tv/film:
+ LOTR/Hobbit, all Tolkien stuff -also novels, literature and scholarship (a proud historical/medieval linguist here ^^)
+ Star Wars -since my teens-
+ Game of Thrones -also both,series and books.-
+ The Vampire Diaries
+ Dr. Who -lots, lots of Dr. Who. New and old series. from the 1st 1963’s dr. ^^ –
+ Being Human -UK’s version. But US’s is also fine.Books:
+ Discworld
+ Sandman comicbook
+ Dragonlance
+ Sagas of icelanders -really, to much fun, magic and adventure. A must read.
+ Other medieval stuff -Beowulf, Nibelungenlied, Volsungasaga, etc…
(and yes, all those medieval things have their own fandom. As I said, too much fun 😆 )These are all I can thing about right now. It is more. I’m sure it is more…. It is ALWAYS more. That is the reason i love posts like this one: you can always find new stories!!!
I’m cofussed about all Emma’s age when she gave birth to Henry discussion. I mean, in the pilot, in her 28th birthday, Henry was 10 already, wasn’t he? if so, then it is impossible for her to be 18 when he was born? :S :S
(Besides, does it really matter? What would be the difference in regards of the storytelling?)Anyway, I do think Neal&Emma loved each other. I even think they still love each other despite the circunstances. If they will be together or not again is another issue -because live is more complicated than just love- but at the time Henry was conceived yes, they were in love.
mmm, let’s see…
1.- Labyrinth
2.- The colour of magic -Terry Pratchett again ^^
3.- The magical legend of Leprechauns
4.- The 10th kingdom
5.- Merlin -1998’s
6.- The mists of Avalon -not exactly a pure “fantasy”, but still…
7.- The Crow
8.- Hook -1991 Spilberg’s.
9.- The Neverending story
10.- Edward Scissorhands
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11.- Ladyhawke
12.-Willow.And, I think there are 2 kinds of films that required some attention: they are some interesting italian ones, i saw as a child, like “the prince and the beggar”, “Sorellina”, “Desideria and the dragon’s ring”or “Snow Queen”. And also some “classics” as Shakespearians like “The Tempest” or “A midsummer night dream”.
I think it fits the description of Urban Fantasy.
But sometimes, defining genres is quite tricky, since they overlap sooo frequently…Age: 28
Single -in a relationship 6 years-
Rumpelstiltskin+belle/ Bae+Emma/ Waiting for someone for Regina. She needs someone to care about besides Henry.Not real shipper. I mean, i’m not sooooo much into it… just i think it is an important part of story, since the show is on true love, etc… ^^ And those ones would make the plot work ^^
