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@playarita wrote:
I don’t really see how his apprehension, and surliness means he is immature. He is an adult who grew up with the belief that Rumple loved his power more, that he chose that power over him. That can have a profound effect on a boy on the cusp of adulthood. Furthermore he was dumped from what a feudalistic FTL into our world (depending on if he is Peter Pan, or he crossed time and space and landed in the early 1980s… that is a lot of world to learn on one’s own especially with his background.
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Precisely because he has had time to live in our world -and in others? – , and because in all that time, he had probably seen how low, cruel, twisted and evil can human soul be. How power corrupts the best among mankind, if the power comes too soon, before it could be handled in a wise manner.
Don’t misunderstand me; i’m not saying he should run into his father’s arms. But neither being blinded by frustration and pain. You have time to reject your father’s explanations, reasons, or presence in your life, but as much as let him speak… even if you are not accepting what he says, at least it can help you to know everything. To avoid nightmares.
Maybe it is just my understanding of life, but no matter what happened, being stubborn against something in that way is sort of childish.
As i said, maybe it is just my understanding of life.[adrotate group="5"]@Jolly Roger wrote:
Something I also noticed was when Rumple came home and Milah was holding Baelfire. After they had their argument, Milah gave Bae to Rumple and just walked away. It may have seen like a little thing, but I know that it isn’t easy to let a baby (especiialy a neworn) out of your site, not even for a second. My first thought was that, Milah didn’t love the child anymore because it was Rumples’ kid – the son of a coward, who would most likely turn out just like his father. So she may have taken care of him and been a mother to him because she was his mother, not because she wanted to..
Yep, i also noticed it. It could be just a foretelling of Milah leaving her family, but still it shows a lot of her personality: changing, moody, a bit cruel… I’ve never liked her, and the more i know about her, the less i like that woman.
One can’t judge a child by what their parents did. :S :SIt is kind of weird. She seemed to be in love with him, but i think she overreacts at his desertion, it is not reason enough to change love into disdain. Especially when, at the beginning, she didn’t want him to go into the battle. I don’t know, better the son of a coward than an orphan. Better being with your beloved than being widow with a newborn child.
Something else should be there. Unless Milah was infatuated with her husband and not truly in love. (???)@AntBee wrote:
I know before we got confirmation that Neal was indeed Baelfire that people who hated the idea often did so because they couldn’t see Bae growing up into Neal, but I think it would definitely change someone to be abandoned by the person that that person thought would always be there for him/her like Bae thought with this father. He already had to deal with his mother leaving him, because I’m sure once he grew older, he figured it out that she really wasn’t kidnapped, and then his father abandons him too.
Further, If he were dropped into this world straight from FTL, then that had to change him a lot too, since he was without a family and had no idea about how our world works. If he tells people the truth, I’m sure he realized quickly that he would be labeled as crazy. If he keeps it to himself though, then he always has to keep some kind of distance between himself and others even when he loves them like he did Emma. On the other hand, even if he is Peter Pan or got dropped somewhere else first, it would have the same kind of effect on him, and definitely change him.
Yep, I get that point, but I don’t know, it is a difficult issue to explian…just… I had so many expectations on Bae -as a child-!
I mean.. he was more emotionally more mature than his dad, even being a child of 14. I just expected time and experience gave him more insight that what he shows. Not only the fact of becoming a thief -that can perfectly fit the scenary you explain, it is completely understandable, he was broken and lonely – but… he doesn’t even give the chance to his father. Ok, he left him, bleblabla, (and besides, that Rumpelstiltskin’s “oh, no prob: let me turn back the clock and recover the wasted years” was an epic fail given the circunstances) but when Emma told him that he made her the same that his father did to him is all like “oh, c’mon sweetheart! I know you’remadat me but it was not that much!”. So, from my pointof view, he has changed from be a mature teenager to be an inmature man.This is just a silly example XDD It is just that i can’t find the proper way to explain what i meant by how he grew up :S :S@malchore wrote:
So, what if THIS is his price – that his grandson (Henry) is the “boy who will be his undoing?” as prophesied by the Seer just before she died? That’s a horrible price.
“undoing” could be interpreted in several ways. It could mean death, but it could also be removing the curse of the dark one from Rumple.
But “undoing” has a negative connotation -at least in the way it was said by the seer…if not the “then, I just have to kill him” would be out of place – and… can removing the curse of the dark one be considered something bad?
Come on, man!
I’m also disapointed about the fact of Baelfire being Henry’s father. Not only because of the reasons you give, but also because I can’t see how the boy that Bae was has became the man that Neal is.
But, as you say, there are lots of things that are awsome,and if there is one thing I learnt on stories, is that one can not judge them until the very end.So, sure, Rumplestiltskin didn’t plan that his son and Emma met, fall in love, etc… but, who knows if it was the plan of another source of power? not necesarily magical, but really skilled in manipulate people.
As I said, i’m also disapointed, and I’m not defending the storyline, but give it a chance: things can still fit at the end 🙂
@slurpeez108 wrote:
ETA: Here is a spoiler that I just saw. It’s similar to the ones we’ve already seen, but it adds a key piece of information.
Francesca: Share some OUAT scoop!
Do not miss the final minute of Sunday’s episode. It’s a game changer that involves a vow Rumple makes in a flashback to Fairy Tale Land. http://www.eonline.com/news/388547/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-glee-the-vampire-diaries-big-bang-theory-teen-wolf-and-moreSo this “chilling reveal” comes in the form of a vow that Rumple made in the past based on a prophesy. I wonder if he vowed to harm whomever would challenge his power one day, not realizing it’d be his own grandson. That’d certainly be a shock! Back in the present, Mr. Gold realizes that he made this vow about a grandson he never even knew existed. Now the struggle will be to make sure that never happens to him or Henry.
Mmmm… I think it depends on when did he make the vow…was it pre or after Dark One Rumple? because if it is pre-dark one, it could be something that turns the “master-of-puppets” Rumplestiltskin in the “good guy”, while if it is after dark one, it could be something much more frightening…
