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I thought Will was one of the best characters on OuaTiW- he had all the best one liners, and the story with Anastasia was beautifully done.
I saw the original 20 minute opening at the D23 Expo- it actually opened with footage from season 2. We saw Rumple summing the wraith. And yes, Adam and Eddy confirmed this in interviews last year.
[adrotate group="5"]Regina’s message *didn’t* actually say “I don’t want to see you.” That’s just how Henry interpreted it, remember? Emma corrected him. I think she said something more along the lines of “You’re better off staying away right now.”
Glad to see others here who loved the episode! Sometimes I enjoy when the show gets a little campy- I like the lighter episodes. 🙂 Snow’s electricity stint was meant to be comic relief- if she just called an expert and let them do it, we’d have a rather boring scene.
I also almost enjoyed CS here. They still aren’t my favorite, but it’s amazing how much more likable Hook has become since S2.
Guess I’m Little Miss Sunshine again…
I loved this episode! The Frozen characters fit in so well with the main cast. Snow and company were quite funny as the comic relief. Bo Peep cracked me up- over the top and ridiculous, sure, but a fun twist on the character. The emotional arc with Emma and Elsa was great- the way they bonded was so well done. Their scenes together were my favorite.
Oh! Emma called David Dad again- yay!
If I have to say something negative, yeah- I do wish they had a better story for David’s father. Alcoholic is so over done and not very creative- just a throw away explanation- but overall that’s a minor quibble and didn’t affect my enjoyment of the episode.
And okay- David picked up the sword fighting really fast…unrealistically so.
I thought it made sense that Regina didn’t want to see Henry…she’s depressed. It’s common for depressed people to push away those they love. Plus, she knows that Emma and the others will take care of him so it’s not as if she’s abandoning him. She just wanted some time to herself.
You were/are an American Girl? Me too! Though, I was only back in elementary school. I have one of the dolls and that is where I learned to sew. Sorry, very off topic, I know.
lol, oh, you have no idea…
I have 23 of the dolls now and over 100 AG brand outfits alone. I got my first one when I was 9 years old, and never outgrew them- I’ll be 33 on the 20th and my mom still picks something for me from my AG wishlist for my birthday. It’s one of my other obsessions besides OuaT. 🙂
I think what’s been hardest for me, is when I see *friends* breaking away or feeling heartbroken and betrayed over the show- like both you guys, Phee and RG, among others. You were always among the Oncers I really enjoyed discussing the show with, and now that you are disillusioned with the show, it breaks *my* heart. Since I don’t feel the same way, it’s as if I’m losing my buddies. *That’s* why maybe I come on a little strong wanting you guys to lighten up- a desperate attempt to recover what’s been lost. I miss the way it used to be. Also, because I do respect you guys as intelligent Oncers, I start to think I’m just in denial and I’m rationalizing the show’s imperfections because I don’t want to let go or allow myself to feel gloomy over my favorite tv show, and that makes me feel bad. Now, of course, this is my problem, not yours. I don’t expect you to not be true to yourselves to please me.
It’s just not like me to feel heartbroken or betrayed over a tv show or any work of fiction for that matter….they could kill off Belle, and while I’d be very bummed out, I wouldn’t be angry. I’d still watch because I care about the rest of the characters and would want to know where the story is going. That’s what I meant by it’s just a tv show. I don’t get angry over what happens on a tv show. I scoff some times or roll my eyes or say “Ha! I can’t believe they did that!” but I don’t get angry or feel hurt. Of course, OuaT is a tv show that’s been an obsession for me- cosplay, lots of new friends, fanfic, a visit to Steveston, panels, etc. It’s the very first fandom I’ve joined outside the general Disney one.
I’m almost always the little miss sunshine of a group…I’ve gotten into debates on my American Girl doll groups too with people who are gloomy over how the company has changed over the years. Maybe I just have trouble dealing with negativity.
You’re just the one I’ve noticed the most, that’s all, and you were the one interacting with me on here. You’re right, though, you aren’t the only one, and you did have both likes and dislikes in your post. I’m sorry to have come across as jumping on you.
I wanted to hear you be positive because I miss the days when you were. I feel as if we used to be on the same page and now we are not.
I’ve pulled away from the fandom a lot recently because some of the criticism has reached the point that it depresses me. Fangirling with friends is much more fun than venting with friends.
I guess it just comes down to me being far less critical towards fiction than you are. You did once agree with me that it was just a tv show though. I enjoy discussing the show- I’ve made bunches of friends from it too. Being part of a fandom can be really fun! But it can also be really draining if everyone is always talking about what they *don’t* like. For me, it’s an escape. If it’s causing me stress, it’s not an escape anymore.
I wasn’t asking you to justify why you watch it. I’m sorry if it came across that way. You’ve been so critical of the show lately, I just wanted to hear some positivity from you! I was curious that’s all- of course you can watch and participate in the forms for whatever reason you want.
I don’t think your naive but I also don’t know you outside of the past 2ish years on an internet forum so what I say next is not against you but a personal truth that help you understand where I’m coming from. As someone who was mentally and emotionally abused by an ex (who screwed me up pretty bad) and abandoned by my dad, I will tell you: I don’t owe either of them crap and any treatment of them by me does not need to be “fair.”
Ok, point- I don’t have any personal experience to relate to on that front.
Abuse is not just fists and punches. Emotional and mental abuse is a thing. Prior to becoming the Dark One, Rumple was a fantastic father. And then he changed. He was keeping Bae locked up (episode 304), being overly protective to the point of possessiveness, murdering people to Bae’s horror. Had social services been a thing, Bealfire would have been whisked away in a heartbeat. And I say this as someone who has been defending Rumple for years and still considers him to be my favorite character.
I’m aware abuse can be emotional too, but as I’ve said, I have never experienced anything along those lines. I guess I’m a bit like Belle- maybe way more forgiving than I ought to be. I’m grateful I haven’t been in such a situation as I probably wouldn’t have come out of it very well. To be honest, I actually fear I’ll get myself in trouble one day from ignoring signs of danger and not seeking help because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt.
This comes across as victim blaming, IMO. It’s Rumple’s fault that Bae didn’t know the whole story. Also, abandonment is abandonment is abandonment. I don’t care if Pan shows up in S5 with a sob story of how he was also abandoned, it doesn’t change the fact that Malcolm let go of Rumple, and it doesn’t change the fact that Rumple let go of Bae. It is abandonment in the victims eyes, and that’s what matters.
Not so much victim blaming as trying to see things from everyone’s perspective. It’s something I tend to do for better or for worse.
By big reconcillation do you mean a 30 second hug on a dock and the little to no conversation afterwards? That was a nice moment but that does not in any way shape or form make up for years (200+ years) of feeling abandoned and unloved. Not even remotely.
I still think it should be worth *something*- and Emma too felt abandoned and unloved for most of her life.
But it doesn’t make you sad that Rumple backtraced and killed a woman and then lied to his fiancee/wife/ TL about it?
I didn’t mean I thought he should have done what he did- I don’t. I wasn’t at all happy with what he did towards Belle. But again, it’s a story I’d like to see the rest of.
I don’t consider it moot. A and E told us that Neal was killed for story reasons and that his death will play a part in the emotional development of characters and the story line. Now whether or not I believe anything they say is a different subject altogether. But Neal being gone does not render these conversations moot just like Bae being missing from the action in S1 rendered speculation about Rumple as a character or the mythology of the show moot.
Ok, maybe moot wasn’t quite the right word. I just meant in regards to how he would have reacted to what Rumple did. I don’t mean Neal should never be mentioned again or have an impact on the rest of the story. We shall see where they go from here.
Ah, moral relativism. so then who is more guilty: the snowman who may or may not have higher brain function? Regina who wanted to walk away? Or Elsa who created the thing in the first place?
I think it was all circumstantial. No one is completely at fault here. Elsa created the snow monster out of fear to protect herself. Regina just happened to poof in while it was there. The snow monster was only following it’s programming, so to speak.
That’s fine. It’s not that I’m not curious, though my curiosity is more of a morbid “lord, where will this go now,” variety. But, IMO, character on a show like this is always cause for concern. We’re not just invested in the storyline, we’re invested in the characters themselves and that includes any and all progress or regress, hence why we’ve been debating for 6 pages now.
People fascinate me- both in real life and in fiction. I don’t have a problem with how Regina is depicted. It doesn’t feel unrealistic to me which is why I’m not that concerned. Others disagree.
Is there anything on the show recently that you still really like? I’d love to see you write a passage about something you’re still happy with. Is morbid curiosity the only reason you watch the show now or is there enough good for you to balance the bad?
And hey- I know we’ve been going on and on about this…no hard feelings, right? Just a friendly debate between Oncers?
