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@Toothfairy wrote:
I think this is definitely a young Hook. Something the people who produce this show have a talent for, is choosing people with similar physical characteristics to fill roles associated with fictional relatives. I see a lot of physical similarities between this little boy (how cute!) with the man who is supposed to play his father. Have you see Colin O’Donoghue’s lips in comparrison to the “Dad”? And with the little boy, there are those sparkling blue eyes, and the way those eyebrows are shaped. That little kid is adorable, and I think this will be a great episode.
I know it might sound silly me using physical appearance as the basis for my theory, but think about it. Anybody seen Bailey Maddison in comparrison to Gennifer Goodwin? Then, there’s Gennifer Goodwin, versus Jennifer Morrison! This can’t be by accident. When I saw Bailey and Gennifer’s pictures side-by-side I literally gasped.
I think that Benjamin Stockham looks more like Josh Dallas though than Colin O’Donoghue. A person’s hair color can certainly can darker as they age, but his hair looks exactly the same color as Dallas’s hair while O’Donoghue’s hair is very dark. However, he could certainly pass for both, so either way I think the casting department did a good job again unlike with the Pinocchio fiasco.
As for John Pyper-Ferguson, to me he looks more like a young Alan Dale without his scruff than he does Colin O’Donoghue now that I’ve actually seen a younger looking Alan Dale picture next to a picture of John Pyper-Ferguson without having too much facial hair. (Thanks to Phee for posting both their pictures.)
I’m guessing if they are giving the rest of King George’s back story this episode to make him seem more sympathetic, it’s likely that he finally dies. Unless they redeem King George or continue to have him be a villain, both of which seem unlikely to me at this point, at this point in the series, it might be a good idea to have him die or be killed in some way.
I know at around this point last year they did explore the back story of Pinocchio, so it’s possible that they could do the same for Hook. I just think it’s easier to fit in Graham to King George’s story then it is to connect him Hook. I know they did it with Hook, Belle, Regina, and Cora, but I’d rather they just have two different story lines going on with Storybrooke and the flashbacks to fairy tale land instead of possibly trying to have three story lines with Storybrooke, flashbacks to fairy tale land with an adult Hook, and then flashbacks to fairy tale land with Hook as a little boy. Even if both flashback timelines might be Hook-centric, unfortunately this show just doesn’t do a great job when it has to balance three different main stories.
Here’s a picture of Alan Dale with hair!
[adrotate group="5"]@Mich7 wrote:
@EvilQueen wrote:
But did King George’s wife actually die? As far as I know it was something to do with her being cursed to be infertile and either getting mad or isolated… Or am I remembering it wrong?
She was cursed and could not have children…yes..that’s why they got PC’s twin from Ruth through a deal with Rumple…but she at some point she died…we have yet to see her in the show but she was definitely not around when we first meet the real James and he is killed. Like I said it’s just a theory I’ve heard floating around…lot of people think the kid looks a lot like a young Josh Dallas.
Yes, I’m not sure who the little boy is at this point. I’ve read good theories for him being young Rumple, young Hook, and now young James.
To me he looks more like Josh Dallas because of his hair color; although, I know hair color can change as people age. Plus, if Jamie Dornan returns this episode in flashbacks, I’m not sure how that’s going to connect to Hook at all. While James and Charming seem to be around the same age as Graham, I could see it working that he’s actually older than they are, and the flashbacks showing that he met a young James.
@Mich7 wrote:
Maybe August was just to put it in our minds that they can’t be trusted so we won’t believe he really is Bae and them boom…he’s Bae. 😉 😀
No…I really think it’s only obvious to those of us checking out the spoilers…posters on the spoiler free type forums seem to argue back and forth about it a little more as if it’s not quite as obvious to them so I’m guessing people that don’t do anything but watch the show…they probably won’t see it coming except maybe at the last minute.
Yes, I don’t like how people against the Nealfire theory always write that it would be too predictable if that happened since everyone has already guessed that Neal is Bae.
First, I don’t like it because just because fans that bother to seek out information about the show online and discuss may have guessed, the majority of fans don’t do that, and will still be surprised by it. Even for online fans, there’s still at least one person a week at various OUaT places like under the Baelfire tag at Tumblr or at IMDb, or what not that still writes something like, “I don’t know if anyone has thought this before, but I think Neal will turn out to be Rumple’s son.” There’s always at least one person a week that also writes something like, “Neal can’t be Rumple’s son because Rumple is ____ age that Baelfire is either dead or very old right now.” 😀
Second, I don’t like it because I think some things can be guessed right about because they do put enough clues into the show for fans to be able to guess, and I think that’s good storytelling rather than being too predictable. Not that they should telegraph everything, but they dropped hints like Cora’s name meaning heart, and then had Regina forced to get her father back from the Queen of Hearts whose face was hidden for some reason, and fans were able to theorize correctly that Cora was in fact the Queen of Hearts. Likewise, they’ve given hints about Henry’s dad being a fireman, and Emma became a bailbonds woman after her time in jail among other small hints, so I don’t really see it as being too predictable as just fans taking notes theorizing correctly.
@Phee wrote:
Nicely spotted, Comfae!
Yes, that’s a great find Comfae. It seems like they’re not going to tackle Bae’s backstory until probably next season, but I love that it’s even more confirmation that he’s Neal.
This is so true…had this same discussion on another forum…people saying that the whole thing was way too obvious…to those of us that have seen the spoilers yes…but to those out there that don’t look on the internet for every little piece of evidence as to what is coming next…for a lot of them…it’s going to be a shock.
Yes, I remember when I was in the Harry Potter fandom waiting for the books to come out, and when I would wait in line for the next installment at the release party, I would always wonder how most of the people around me in line could stand not to read spoilers like I did.
@Elle wrote:
Emma was able to see past Captain Hook’s bravado as a cover for his pain in losing Milha.
Captain Hook never threatend her family, though. And just because she has shown sympathy for him, does not mean that she trusts him or even likes him. The way she treated him during the interrogation shows that. Or the way she chained him up and later fought him for the compass show that.
And Emma and Rumpelstiltskin have never been close–she has never been a fan of his and has done her best to stay away from him as much as possible.
Also, this is Emma’s family–the family that she has been looking for, the family that she has always wanted. She finally has them in her life and someone comes up to them and threatens to kill them all. Even if he was just broken, Emma will not take kindly to that, nor should she. I see her being more protective oof henry during the trip.
And she and Neal are not going to be all lovely and reunited that quickly (at least I hope not). She is still going to feel betrayed, and even more manipulated that the father of her child is the son of Rumpelstiltskin.
You make excellent points, but I think they will bond on their road trip together. They won’t become buddy-buddy, but my feeling from spoilers and photos is that when Nealfire runs away, before she finds out that it's him, she feels sorry for Rumple that his son is actually running away from him and that helps soften her feelings toward him along with seeing him being very vulnerable due to never being in the real world before and not being able to do magic to make himself feel powerful.
As for the threat, while i do think it was very wrong of him to make it, I think it was mostly just there, so Rumple would have another thing to loath himself for if Neal is Baelfire, and Emma and/or her parents fill him in on everything his dad has done that he doesn't know about, and on top of the Curse, bringing Henry to Regina, almost beating Maurice to death, etc., they tell him “we thought Belle was helping him become a better man, but then he threatens to kill us all even Henry”. That's just going to make Nealfire even angrier with his father, and also feel like that there's no good left him in at all if he can threaten a child when he was supposed to becoming a better man.
Then, I expect every time that there is some kind of forward movement with their relationship, Nealfire will start learning things about his father that the Charmings don't know like how he murdered Milha or his part in helping turn Regina to the Dark Side (not that it excuses her actions), but I'm sure those things will be set up as stumbling blocks along the way to them reconciling if they ever do.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@Sarah_TN wrote:
Okay where are Hook & Rumple? Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing.
I have a theory that Rumple is protecting Henry, his newly-discovered grandson. Hook might still be in the hospital.
That would be my guess based on the call sheet that got leaked. Cora and Regina go after the Charmings and Neal in his father’s shop, which is why David is thrown to the ground in one scene, and MRJ is learning how to use a cutlass. Somewhere else Rumple is trying to protect Henry, and maybe Belle too. Maybe his cabin?
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I have a few theories I’m mulling over but this theory is certainly one of them. They did say we’d find out who wrote Henry’s book this season. Maybe his surprise was seeing Belle, Rumple and Hook, 3 of his main characters, out hanging on a country road.
In Jane Espenson's recent chat, she said we'd find out who HER was this season too, so maybe you're onto something about the book being tied in with Greg and HER.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
The only problem with the Beauty and the Beast idea, like a few people have said, is that it would happen REALLY fast. It would mean that Belle would have to fall back in love with Rumple in about two episodes (since we know Rumple is looking for Bae in at least “Tiny” and “Manhattan”) Plus, if they do it now they could never do it again, because it’s a very emotional thing that I think would only play out once to be effective on the viewers. So I like Phee’s suggestion that maybe because magic is different here the dagger won’t work in the same way.
Also, I’m not sure I like the idea of them killing Cora in this episode. They have so much story to tell: her connection with Rumple and I think they have to tell us more about her time in Wonderland, not to mention where her heart is and how many lands she’s been to and if she made alliances there (she told Hook she has traveled to too many lands to be stopped by Emma/Snow) I can see them taking Cora to the either the penultimate or season finale.Yes, I can’t see them killing off Cora until the end of the season because then there would be a noticeable void of villains since Hook is so inept most of the time, and King George while being more menacing and effective, hasn’t been build up to be a season long threat the way that Cora and Hook are. He’s dangerous, but they’ve already defeated him twice in some way, so unless he got a hold of magic or told the outside world about what was going on, he just doesn’t come across as scary as Cora.
@tiara_rose wrote:
I would think Hook and Regina have sonthing in common. They would not need to give up there first love. They would understand that Hook will always love Milha and Regina will alwas love Daniel. But I think they can maybe love each other too, without losing there first love and both loves could be True.
But I don’t want that relationship in the moment. Maybe in the next season, but not now.
Yes, they’re the only two single main characters right now that don’t have a true love that is alive onscreen, since both of their true loves were murdered in front of them, who are starting around the same level of wrongful deeds. While I’m not sure they could actually be together for very long and both start to redeem themselves, but at least there’s less chance of them being judged by each other for their misdeeds imo, then if they tried to pair up either one of them with someone else already on the canvas who could come across as self-righteous if it wasn’t written just the right way. For instance, there’s already Rumple and Belle for as a romantic relationship of a “good” person loving a “bad” person and trying to get the “bad” person to become good, and there’s even Regina and Henry for a similar type of story only done non-romantically. So while they could do the story again, I would worry because they don’t want to make it too similar, imo, to those stories because it’s going to get boring, but at the same time, if they try to write it differently the “good” person might across as too self-righteous, and instead of people feeling sorry for the “good” person when the “bad” person does something bad, and they fight over it, it can backfire which has happened in the Henry and Regina relationship to some degree because with some fans Henry can’t win no matter what he does.
Further, while I wouldn’t say that Dr. Whale is exactly innocent like Ruby, I don’t think his deeds are as bad as Hook’s since he didn’t deliberately seek to harm anyone. I’m still ambiguous about his father’s death because while he didn’t help his father out at all, I don’t think he went there to kill him either, but most of the black and white scenes involving his father or brother were very awkward, imo. So for now I’m going to give Dr. Whale the benefit of the doubt because at least Ruby did talk some sense into him to get him to go back and save the Outsider’s life. Plus, like Dr. Whale and Ruby are similar in that they’re both single people who can be grouped together because in our world, Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein, and the Mummy all tend to be thought of in the same type of category maybe because of the 1930s movies like Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein.
Neal isn’t exactly innocent either, but as far as I know right now, his deeds are similar to Emma’s, and he hasn’t taken anyone’s heart out and helped control them or tried to murder anyone. (That’s why in “The Cricket Game”, I didn’t buy the writers trying to make Emma feel guilty that she use to be like Regina. Not that she was a perfect angel, but there was a world of difference from Emma’s life of crime, and the line that Regina crossed into.) While Nealfire might be sympathetic to Regina because he might feel that his father was responsible for helping turn Regina, which in a lot of ways he was, I don’t think that Regina needs an enabler like her father because that wasn’t a healthy relationship at all, but at the same time, she doesn’t react well to people other than Henry throwing her past deeds in her face, so I’m not sure they could find the right balance there for Neal. I need to see more of him before I come to any conclusions.
Also, I admit that I’m biased because while the writers might love to do a triangle, I think the most important triangle is already the one between Emma, Henry, and Regina, so to have a Emma, Neal, and Regina triangle would just be overkill. I would also think that Neal would have enough sense not to get involved with Regina because it would only complicate matters even more between everyone, and while he and Emma may never happen again, there’s other people that he could end up with who wouldn’t make things as complicated as him being in a relationship with Regina. Although I must confess before this season during the summer, I thought about the idea of Bae/Regina possibly happening, but the way they wrote his character and his relationship with Emma, I can’t do that now because it’s clear both he and Emma have too many issues to resolve.
@medchen wrote:
@AntBee wrote:
However, I’m not sure of a famous underwater story that could fit in with the casting call. My first thought was that he could be working for Ariel, and Her was the reference to her, but I can’t see someone working for Ariel that might potentially be a big bad for next season.
Maybe Her is Ursula and Greg is one of the little eel spies.
Aw, thanks forgot about Ursula. I’m still guessing that because Lana loves the character so much that when they finally do The Little Mermaid, Regina is going to double as both the Evil Queen and Ursula. I could be wrong though.
