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Thanks CinnamonHummingbird. I didn’t see that picture yet. Hee, I’m even happier if that’s possible. 😆
[adrotate group="5"]Thanks for that adorable picture, Lil’Red. MRJ does have a really cute and sexy smile.
I wonder if he was just goofing off, or if Nealfire will possibly be sword fighting in episode 16.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Maybe because he’s a professor of science? That’s what I thought when I read his last name. Professor of Science equals Professor Marvel/Wizard of OZ ? 😕
It could be, but I think it might have to do with the struggle between science and Rumple’s type of magic that happened in The Doctor and looked to be a future story line and will probably come back to bite Rumple in the butt somehow. Not that it doesn’t mean he couldn’t be Professor Marvel, but I’m thinking with the license plate with the “sylvania” and with episode 12 perhaps being Dr. Whale-centric that he’s connected to Dr. Whale’s world of Transylvania.
I can’t really think of anyone though that would fit except Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde who is my guess on who “Greg Mendell” really is. I think he fits the criteria of Barrett’s casting call in that he has a really dark side that he’ll fight to defend. Dr. Jekyll would fit right in if they do continue the story line next season of science vs. magic, and have him be one of the villains for next season since they set up Cora to be one of the villains this year and perhaps would have done the same thing with Hook had they had the rights to Peter Pan at that time. Further, if they do decide to have some kind of triangle between Rumple/Belle/”Greg”, before Belle gets her memories back, then Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde definitely fits Belle’s pattern of being involved in a story line with someone who has a beastly side e.g., Rumple, Red, Prince Phillip.
Not only could there be this struggle between science and magic with Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde as a villain next season, but I could see how they could keep that part of his identity a secret to the residents of Storybrooke and to us by not having him transform into his other self until that time to create another shocking twist. Then, at that time, I think they would then have parallels between Rumple and Dr. Jekyll. I would assume that with Rumple finding out that Baelfire is Neal and with Neal living in Storybrooke once he finds out about Henry, and with Rumple still working on his relationship with Belle in some way, that he will actually want to redeem himself instead of this pattern this season where he sort of wants to because of Belle but hasn’t really hit rock bottom quite yet to really want to turn his life around. Then, there would be Dr. Jekyll who seems very nice, but as the season progresses, gets more and more out of control probably not unlike how Rumple was when he first became the Dark One and became darker and darker and further away from who he was as a person. I could also see Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde being Rumple’s Cora in that perhaps bad things happen, and people blame Rumple for it right away because Regina either has an alibi or isn’t suspected for whatever reasons, and no one suspects “Greg” because at that time, everyone is still unaware of his other side.
There’s so many different ways the writers could go though. Will magic or science help Dr. Jekyll help him from becoming his other self forever? Like maybe he finds his true love, and that person helps him from transforming or science helps create a potion that stops his transformations forever. Or maybe the writers will just have some kind of draw.
@KalliopeKisees wrote:
It appears Ethan has been an actor in several OZ related films. Could that also be a clue. I really like all the possibilities people are coming up with.
Antbee – Have you ever read the Sandman comics? I would love to see them bring the characters to life. My favorite (aside from Dream) was Delirium. She would be an awesome character to cast.
No, unfortunately I haven’t. I’ve heard a lot of great things about it though, and I know that there was a movie in the works at one time but DC seems to have trouble getting any non-Superman/Batman movie off the ground for some reason.
Hi AuntBee,
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I’ll have to wait a few weeks before reading it. I love how this show keeps surprising me, so I avoid spoilers like plague.
I really wish I could stop reading/watching them, but I have no self control at all. 😆
It’s so great to see MRJ getting to interact with the rest of the cast now and getting along with them.
I felt bad for awhile there during the first half of the season, although MRJ probably didn’t mind it, that Neal was being so sequestered and hidden while other new characters were given a lot of screen time with the other cast members, and the new cast members were able to talk more freely about their roles.
@BellaRose wrote:
Oh my goodness Cora stop sniffing your daughters clothing…creepy mother!
I wonder what she’s going to do with Henry’s hand print, I’m thinking she’ll use it to ether track him down or impersonate him.Yes, she was even creepier which I didn’t think Cora could do, but she did. Yes, I do believe that’s how she’ll get Regina to come back to her is by impersonating Henry somehow, and the hand print could be how she’s able to do that.
Emma’s awesome! she may not be to fond of Rumple but she knows who the victims are. Emma interrogating Hook was great.
Yes, I don’t think she’s impressed or flattered by his attention at all. First he tries to keep her from getting to the person that she cares most about, and then when he comes to Storybrooke, he goes after innocent Belle by taking her memory away forever in Emma’s point of view. Plus, he’s just so gross with his innuendo. Not just this scene but just about every scene that he’s in where they have him try to charm a female character. I feel sorry for poor Colin O’Donoghue because he tries to sell it, but I don’t think the writers of his innuendo are as clever as they think they are. Instead of coming across as charming and suave like a Jane Austen hero or a character from an old black and white movie with his sophisticating and sexually charged banter, it just comes across as creepy and immature.
I wonder what that pocket watch is all about? poor whale he looked like he wanted it.
I like Evil Queen’s theory about Dr. Whale’s brother being the White Rabbit, but I’m not sure it will have any significance just beyond showing that Dr. Whale’s father favored his brother more. I’m definitely getting a Legends of the Fall impression from Dr. Whale’s family. In Dr. Whale’s case he would be Alfred, and his brother would be Tristan, the brother who could do no wrong in his father’s eyes.
ETA:
In Germany, it is given for 10 years of service or exemplary achievements. Looking back at Victor’s german officer’s coat in The Doctor and considering the setting of this video clip, sure sounds like Transylvania.
Carrying out the Legends of the Fall parallel even further since Pennsylvania might be a play on the word Transylvania, Barrett could be the youngest brother. I know in that movie he died, but maybe they just flip it around so that “Tristan” dies in OUaT.
Probably not, but Ethan Embry and David Anders look so much alike that I think they missed out on a big opportunity if they don’t make them related in some way.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I have no doubt that Hook is alive and will remain so for a long time. There is still so much drama to be had between Hook/Rumple, Hook/Rumple/Cora, Hook/Rumple/Cora/Regina, Hook/Emma, Hook/Emma/Neal, and even Hook/Neal if Neal is Bae and/or Peter Pan.
Plus, I’m not sure when Hook becomes a regular, it’s fairly soon, so I highly doubt they’d kill him off even before he becomes a regular.
Also, I don’t think Cora particularly cares about Hook, so I’m guessing she brings the Giant to town because Gold, Emma, and Henry are gone, and there’s no one there to really stop there since I don’t think Regina is up to it yet. However, it seems like it backfires on her because the Giant ends up befriending everyone. I wonder if Cora will kill off Anton, or if they’ll just have him living in Storybrooke now and seen sometimes, or she’ll send him back to FTL once it’s apparent he’s of no use to her quest.
How does Cora bring him here? I thought maybe Anton followed Cora and Hook through the portal. If Cora can bring people from other realms here, that speaks to her level of power and really worries me. What is to prevent her from bringing the ogres to SB?
On one hand, I’m sort of peeved that it’s so easy for people to get here to our world now when it took Rumple hundreds of years to figure out how to do it, and the Blue Fairy wasn’t knowledgeable enough to know these things either since she’s suppose to be even older than Rumple. Not that I expect her to have the power to be able to help people realm jump because they have said she’s limited in her powers, but I would expect her to have more knowledge than she does of their world even if she herself couldn’t do things. Plus, it ties in with how they just sort of make up things as they go, so there’s a lot of retconning or having to explain away things in podcasts or other mediums instead of on the actual show, which I hate because not everyone has goes to those other mediums.
On the other hand though, it would be even more karma for Rumple if Nealfire returns for Cora to bring the ogres to Storybrooke, and for Nealfire to have to fight the ogres. Of course, he’s older now, but still, I love the irony in Nealfire having to fight ogres. It also makes Storybrooke not as safe as Snow thinks it is, and I think that’s a fair point. They might have modern conveniences, but if people want to go home instead of being trapped here in Storybrooke because of Regina and Rumple, I think they should be given that choice instead Snow just sort shut down the whole thing down when Charming was trying to talk to her about it. Not that I can blame her after everything she’s been through, but it did seem like in that moment, she was just thinking about herself only, and not about her friends that do want to go back.
First, I want to say hi ceege, it’s nice to see you back.
@ceege wrote:
I was hoping that the driver of the car was going to be Neal. I had not realised that the plates from from a state other than N.Y. (where Neal is from). Did we actually see the driver? Everything happened so fast, I barely had time to register what had happened.
I think the previews for next week's episode are considered spoilers, but I think that's the only time we got a glimpse of the driver being Ethan Embry and not MRJ.
I am hoping that the driver does not not turn out to be Bae – that would be too easy for Rumple to have his son come to him. Of course, there could always be difficulties on an emotional level, but I’m hoping for a journey here, a physical one as well as an emotional one.
Yes, I don’t think it’s going to turn out to be him because Ethan Embry doesn't look like a young Bae at all since he doesn't have brown hair naturally and has blue eyes. Not that he couldn't be, but aside from August and young Pinocchio, the actors and their younger counterparts have looked alike.
Just speculation here, but I’m wondering if the accident was caused because the barrier spell works both ways – keeping Storybrook residents in, and outsiders out. He would have managed to get through presumably because when he wrote the spell, Rumple did not know about cars and how powerful they can be. Just a thought.
That’s definitely a logical conclusion. However, given the casting call for Ethan Embry's character, I think he's someone that's not from our world because he's suppose to be
“a major recurring guest star role with an option for next season […]. A character named Barrett. He's in his 30s, kind and smart, but also has a very dark side and has beliefs and a way of life that he will fight fiercely to defend.
. Not that he couldn't decide to try to blackmail the townspeople into using magic to help him in order to keep their secrets, but from the casting call, I just get the impression that he's very powerful and dark in other ways besides getting the Storybrooke citizens to do what he wants because of him threatening them with whatever position he might hold in the real world.
Based mostly on the casting call and a little on how his character was introduced, these are my guesses on who he is.
1. The Sandman (some type of variation): This season has contained many references to people's unconscious and people either awakening in some way starting with Aurora being awoken from her curse and then seeing the town realize who they were, or conversely now in Belle's case this past episode where the Outsider just happens to come into town, we have someone forgetting who she really was. That's mainly why I think that Barrett could deal with the unconscious in some way because this season seems to be tied to that for some reason.
I know that It doesn't necessarily have to do with his character, but if he were someone from the dream/unconscious world, I think he could definitely fit in with the rest of the casting call that he has a very dark side and a way of life that he will fight fiercely to defend.
2. Peter Pan: Although they say we wouldn't see the Peter Pan story this season, I think it still works if Barrett is Peter Pan, and they don't reveal his back story until next season. Of course, I don't really think of Peter Pan being a dark character, with the twists that they throw in, it could be that their version will be darker than other versions. I just love this idea because him running into Hook and doing some serious damage to Hook, based on spoilers, seems like such a great way to introduce Peter Pan. Plus, Ethan Embry's face looks like what I think an adult Peter Pan would like.
3. The Wizard of Oz: The license plates do seem to be a big clue that he could be the Wizard of Oz, but then again the license plates for August gave that impression to. I know they'll get do Oz eventually, and it would tie in nicely right now with the upcoming Disney movie in March, but I think the license plates could be another red herring.
4. Dracula/Someone from Dr. Whale's Transylvania world (assuming Transylvania is Dr. Whale's world): The timing would certainly fit, and I think the show really missed the boat by not having Ethan Embry be Dr. Whale's brother because they look so much alike. There was also speculation that based on the Pennsylvania license plate that it could be a hint to Transylvania because of the sylvania parts of both.
Other than Dracula though, I can't think of another character right now that might come from that land, and unfortunately I don't really think of Ethan Embry as Dracula. Not that they have to go in the stereotypical direction for Dracula, but I would have my doubts that they would cast Ethan Embry as Dracula.
5. Just a regular outsider: He definitely could be, and it would help motivate the characters in wanting to get back home more if they think that our world might be a threat to them now. I'm just not sure because I think that the show wants viewers who don't follow spoilers like we do here to think that, but then do the twist of him not really being from our world.
I do think eventually our world will start to be a threat, but I almost feel like now might be too soon. It's good that they're laying down the groundwork of that, but I think there's still a lot that they can do in exploring their worlds before using the idea of our world as a real threat.
@EvilQueen wrote:
However, that doesn’t mean Rumple isn’t the person who brought him up. Bae perceived him as a father – does one need much more than that? Is Regina not Henry’s mom just because she didn’t give him birth? Whether those theories are true or not, I don’t think they are worth exploring, because it really is all down to how we see things rather than what they actually are. Bae might be a ‘bastard son’ (Jon Snow anyone? 😆 ) but Rumple loves him no matter the blood connections.
Oh, I agree that Rumple would love Bae no matter what, but if they did decide to make Regina, Rumple’s biological daughter, I think they might as well go all in and go through with Bae not really being his biological son. I really hope both story lines don’t happen though.
First, I hate the idea of Regina being Rumple’s real daughter because there’s a lot of tension there between Rumple and Regina even though they’ve never acted on it that we know of, and I think it would be disturbing if it turned out they were actually father/daughter. It could work on another show that wasn’t on ABC on at 8:00 on Sunday, but I’d rather they just not go there. Plus, while it would create more connections between the characters, even I who am a fan of Neal being Baelfire, thinks that it would be overkill. I think it’s enough that Regina is one of Henry’s moms and Snow’s former stepmother without having to make her Bae’s half-sister too. Finally, MRJ looks so much like Robert Carlyle in some pictures, and Jared Gilmore looks like he could be a really young Robert Carlyle in pictures that are floating around of Carlyle around the same age, that it’s hard to for me to believe that Bae really isn’t Rumple’s son.
But previously he seemed afraid of Cora (when Regina asked him for help with bringing MM and Emma back from FTL), saying how powerful she is blah blah. Would he be trying to help Cora all along? Knowing it would happen anyway and psyching people up about Cora and scaring them, including Regina but inside smiling to himself?
Well, I don’t think he’ll reach the point yet with new Belle to understand that he has a chance to win her if he can really change. I think he’ll finally get it when he finds Nealfire and is forced to face the consequences of what using Dark Magic has done. So I think right now even though we see some signs of him trying to change for Belle’s sake in “The Outsider”, but mostly because she was around at the time, I can definitely see him reverting to old ways. He might see it as a win-win situation for him by making a deal with Cora. He either gets protection for himself/Belle or something that might lead to Belle getting her memories back, and something bad happens to Regina since his Wraith plan failed. (Hee, I wonder since the Giant can come through if Regina should be worried that the Wraith will come through too. Maybe Regina getting her soul sucked out will be the season finale.)
I like your theories, EvilQueen. I could see Gold convincing Emma that she needs to take Henry with her to protect him in order to fulfill his part of his deal with Cora to make Regina vulnerable by showing that Emma can decide when Regina gets to see Henry and for how long. Even if Cora hadn’t made it look like Regina killed Archie, we already saw signs last week that Regina was already very upset about having to go through Emma to get access to Henry. So even though Emma and Regina may come to a temporary truce once Emma tells Regina the whole story about what happened to Archie, if Emma says that she’s taking Henry with her to find Gold’s son, I could see that making Regina very angry and reaching a point where Cora can then manipulate her.
It seems like now that Gold has a way to leave town without losing his memories, and he has that potion that he can put on something of Bae’s to find him that he really doesn’t need Emma. I guess she could help him in some way with his search because of her bail bond person skills and help him get around in the real world, but before the spoilers leaked for “Manhattan”, he never needed her in his quest to find his son before. Every time that we saw him attempt to leave to find Bae before, he was either just going to go by himself like in last night’s episode or in last season, or he was going to take Belle with him before he knew about the side effects of crossing the town line.
Plus, he didn’t really seem to care if Emma died in “Queen of Hearts”, so evidently she wasn’t too necessary for him to find Bae. So I agree that there must be something more there for Rumple to cash in his favor for Emma and Henry to leave town with him to help him find his son. Agreeing to a deal with Cora where they come to some sort of temporary truce where she’ll leave him alone and Belle for the time being, or she takes care of Hook for him while he’s gone, or something like that in exchange for him getting Emma and Henry out of town makes the most sense right now.
I dunno, looks to me like after they shake, she takes it upon herself to get a bit too cosy, and there’s nothing he can do to get away, even if he wanted to. I’ll be surprised if it turns into a real kiss. More likely that half a second later he pulls away and spits out the CoraCooties.
I hope so. Just please don’t let them use the idea of Bae not being Rumple’s real son but Regina being his real daughter that is going around right now. Maybe at one time it could have worked, but I think it would be gross now because of the way that Regina and Rumple interact has definitely not been in a father-daughter way. If the show weren’t on ABC on Sunday nights at 8, it might be interesting to see the fall out from Bae not really being Rumple’s son and Regina really being his daughter, but since it’s not that kind of show, I don’t want to see them actually do that story line. I think it’s powerful enough for Neal to be Baelfire without having to add another twist on top of that.
