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@Faux Pax wrote:
I watched the entire season in the week after the finale and had to rely on these podcast to keep me going…and I fell in love with the Bae as Henry’s father theory since the moment i read it.
Although I came to love it afterwards, at first before I knew for sure that August was definitely going to be Pinocchio and not Baelfire, I had so many Bae and Rumple feels after “Desperate Souls” that I really wanted things not be too complicated and angst filled for them especially Bae. Of course, I knew it wouldn’t be a show without that, so then after the August reveal, I was like, “if Bae’s not August, then there’s only one person he can really be and that’s Henry’s dad.” Of course, that made sense with the clues that the producers were giving about Henry’s dad, so then I was really, really hoping that there was just some kind of misunderstanding between Emma and Bae, which it turned out there was thankfully. Shortly after, I became a full blown shipper because I realized that out of all the characters on the show they’ve had the crappiest lives, and I think they deserve their happy ending together. Plus, I came to love the symmetry of how Rumple created the Curse because of Baelfire, and Emma was the one to break it. And how even though Bae probably won’t and maybe shouldn’t forgive Rumple ever for the Curse and everything else, if not for that other stuff, then he would have never met Emma, who I believe is his true love and vice versa.
Are you sure the pics aren’t pics of the actors before they are ‘in character’ or what not?
That makes sense. Although I love Lil’ Red’s theory that Emma works her bailbondswoman mojo again and ends up knocking Neal out and taking him back to Storybrooke with her.
[adrotate group="5"]It’s in the episode 13 thread under Set pics – December 10th. Here’s the link to the spoilers, http://vancityfilming.com/articles/once-upon-a-time-filming-in-vancouver/#prettyPhoto
Click on the spoiler if you need something to make you smile. 😀
@CinnamonHummingbird wrote:
Not sure if I’m allowed to post it here, but this just belongs to this thread.
😮 😮 😮 People! Christmas eve has come sooner than expected!!
Why having a reunion that soon? Why Emma's absence during the latest scenes that were filmed in SB?! Count this and “we have to find someone – my son” promo hints together and…ding ding ding! Neal-freakin'-fire!
Thank you so much for that spoiler! Christmas really has come early! 😀 It just sucks that Tumblr is acting all weird right now, so I can’t get on there and read all the happy reactions.
I'm so happy that there is a picture included because I had read that someone said they saw that looked like MRJ, so I didn't want to get my hopes up. That is definitely him though. Yay!!!!!
He better have a good explanation of why he's not in Storybrooke though. Maybe he can't enter for some reason. Like his dad isn't able to leave the town because he'll forget the reason why he wanted to leave Storybrooke in the first place, so maybe Nealfire is cursed in some way like that too.
@Maiqu20 wrote:
If they are going to go after Regina for murdering a character can we at least get a Graham mention? I feel like everyone has forgotten him and Emma doesn’t even know Regina killed him
I’m not really sure, but they certainly should. Or maybe at the very least, they should have Regina remember Graham and at least try to make amends for killing him if not also being the one who took away his agency when she took out his heart and raped him for 30 years or more. If she thought more of then just getting Henry back in her life, but felt actual remorse about the other people’s lives that she’s ruined, then I would be more apt to believe that she really wants to change and can change.
What if Regina is accused of murdering August…he is missing with no one knowing what happened to him. It would make sense that Emma believes Regina did not kill him because Emma knows what really happened.
I doubt it. August has never really been in Regina’s orbit. I think that whomever the character is that dies and assuming that Cora is really the one behind that character’s death or presumed death, then that character has to be connected to Regina to really impact Regina to get the results Cora wants. So I think that rules out August, Blue, Granny, or one of the Dwarves because she’s never really interacted with them at all if ever, so their deaths wouldn’t mean anything to her. That basically only leaves Archie because it’s too soon for Cora to go directly after Henry since that’s more of a season finale type of deal, and Regina doesn’t have anyone else that she can go to now aside from him.
I was really hoping beyond hope that Archie wouldn’t die, but it doesn’t sound good. There’s still that chance that he’s not actually dead, but Cora rips out his heart and commands him to play dead. It could part of Cora’s evil plan to turn the town against Regina, forcing Regina into her mother’s arms.
Yes, it’s not looking good for Archie right now considering that he’d be a small, but beloved character to kill off that could help cut some of the cast bloating going on now, but I think they still need him for the Geppetto and August reunion. Plus, he’s the only one that Regina may be able to go to talk to, and I could see him needing to work with other people still like Rumple individually and Rumple with Belle, and maybe with Nealfire, so I don’t think they’ll actually kill him off.
On the other hand, if Cora just has him kidnapped and makes it look like Archie’s dead or has control of his heart making him play dead, it might be too much like what they did with Kathryn last year about the same time last season. So maybe they’ll just have Cora look really, really evil by killing off Archie. I mean so far, I believe she’s evil, but other than killing Daniel in front of Regina, and killing the village, which unfortunately was done off screen, her evil deeds haven’t matched up yet with her daughter’s or Rumple’s, imo. Maybe they need to do something dramatic like Cora actually killing Archie off, so that people know exactly why Regina and Rumple seemed so scared of her.
@Kranen wrote:
@Naomi wrote:
And I feel a bit annoyed that Charming — after seeing Regina trying to redeem herself — is now suddenly plotting her death. I mean, really? Falling for another fake murder, David?
I think that the “Prince Charming and Snow White plan the evil queen’s execution” part is the backstory part of the episode.
Yes, I think that’s definitely part of the flashbacks and what we saw in the promos with Regina and Snow fighting in the cell, and Regina in peasant clothes being lead by guards somewhere.
How funny is that though that it seems like Emma might be helping Regina out despite it looking like Regina murdered someone, after all the discussion last episode about how mean Emma was for not inviting Regina to dinner.
@Phee wrote:
Hook would have already had an emotional connection to Bae before even going to Neverland, given that I’m sure Milah would have often mentioned the kid with sadness, so Hook may have felt guilt for separating them, and then the fact that that separation is what led to Milah’s death. If Bae hadn’t have existed, then Rumple wouldn’t have become the Dark One, wouldn’t have flown off the handle the way he did, and Milah would still be alive. On some level, I wouldn’t blame Hook for resenting Bae’s existence.
Yes, it could create a parallel between Rumple and Hook. Rumple murders Milah mostly due to his self loathing about the fact that he abandoned Bae not because she did. Then, when Hook comes in contact with Bae again, he might feel guilty about the fact that Milah picked Hook over her own child and that guilt comes out in blaming Bae for Milah’s death. Since I view Hook as a bully that Rumple later modeled some of his Dark One behavior on, I could definitely see him placing the blame on the guilt he feels on someone else like Bae.
So imagine Hook coming face to face with Bae again in Neverland, for the first time since that night in the pub. That situation would be ripe for delicious angst, and would set up the possibility for Bae to discover the truth of what happened to his mother. Bae would have an immediate dislike of Hook if he remembers him as the man who was with his mother that night in the pub. Then perhaps in the middle of him going off at Hook for stealing his mother, (edited to add another thought I just had, that perhaps Hook would try to reach out to Bae at first, knowing that Milah wouldn’t want him being horrible to him, and Bae will reject any attempt of friendship from Hook), which had sent his father spiraling into the hot mess that resulted in his becoming the Dark One, Hook will get riled up and blurt out that Rumple killed her, which Bae wouldn’t want to believe, but part of him would believe it, given the things he’d seen his father do. That would mean that if he is Neal, that’s a whole other level of animosity for them to play out once he’s woven into the present day storyline and has contact with both Rumple and Hook again.
Yes, I don’t think that Nealfire will want anything to do with either Rumple or Hook, but Hook perhaps not knowing all the circumstances behind what happened between Bae and Rumple, thinks that Bae wants to reconcile with his father and blurts out that Rumple killed Bae’s mother out of spite. Baelfire would already feel resentment towards Hook either because he thinks that Hook was responsible for his mother’s death or if he was able to put together bits and pieces of what really happened, his mother’s abandonment, but if Hook told Bae about Rumple killing Milah just out of spite, which he likely could, Baelfire’s resentment could turn into full blown hate. Throw in Hook threatening the Charmings especially Emma and Henry, and any other good townspeople that Baelfire might befriend, and I imagine things could get pretty nasty real fast.
They have to have met in Neverland past, otherwise we wouldn’t have the story of Peter Pan and Hook in our world. If Hook went to Neverland and met Peter roughly 250 years before the curse, that allows ample time for their history to have played out, and their story to have made its sway to our world by the early 1900s, when Peter Pan’s story was first told by JM Barrie.
I just realized that Barrie looks like Barrett. It could be a clue that Barrett is connected to Bae somehow. Or if Barrett is connected to the Netherworld somehow like I believe, then he could be how these stories ended up in other places.
@Maiqu20 wrote:
I find it funny that’s it’s basically the extended charming family (aka dwarves/granny/red) + Hook…maybe this is the righteous crowd he falls in with? I’m thinking they are either pulling Emma out of the whole or it’s the Giant
I’ve seen a lot of people theorize that Emma is likely out of town trying to find Baelfire to payback Rumple’s favor. She and Henry could be in the hole, but given the spoilers and the promos, right now I think she’s out of town. Perhaps this is what her and Regina fought over if Regina wasn’t dreaming. Or perhaps even if Regina is dreaming about attacking Emma, it’s because Emma has taken Henry with her, and Regina doesn’t like the idea at all but knows there’s nothing she can do about it at this point if she ever wants Henry back in her life for good.
@The Fairest wrote:
I doubt Barret has anything on Cora and Hook. Being a trouble maker doesn’t equal the kind of power that Cora has. Even Hook has developed some magical talents (ripping out hearts). I still think Cora and Hook are the main villains of season 2, and the “heroes” will end up teaming up with Rumpel and Regina to defeat them. The Charmings will probably come to view Rumpel and Regina as a necessary evil. The Charmings are always coming to Rumpel for help, and they’re beginning to warm up to Regina. Now, whether not that lasts is yet to be seen, but I still think Cora and Hook are the ones to beat this season.
Yes, I think that Phee and EmptyHeart could be correct in that Barrett is connected to Neal in some way. Even if he’s not connected to Neal, the way he’s being set up makes it seem like Cora and Hook will be the ones to beat this season, but perhaps next season they could be setting him up to reveal his dark side. Right now I think he might be mostly observing and perhaps even helping the allies or seeming like he is.
I also agree that the Charmings + Rumple + Regina will have to team up to defeat Cora and Hook. The common denominator linking all of them together is Henry, assuming that Neal is Baelfire of course, so something is definitely going to happen to him, I’m afraid, in order for them to put away their differences for a short time and work together. Before that happens though, it’s going to get very dark with Cora and Hook causing all kinds of chaos in Storybrooke, so that C+R+R will be reluctant to work with each other because they’ll probably be weary on who their true friends are. When Henry’s life is in danger though, they’ll have no choice but to put away their differences and work together.
@tiara_rose wrote:
Maybe Cora turn Bae into a Rabbit for a while, or Jeff has a powder to turn him to a white Rabbit to hide him in his hat.
Yes, if Baelfire is the White Rabbit, then I think Cora or some other person with magical power must have turned him into an actual rabbit for it to fit. Unless he’s not actually turned into a white rabbit, but he did the duties of the White Rabbit and possesses the White Rabbit’s traits. So they do have a few outs as far as making Baelfire the White Rabbit without him actually being a real rabbit.
Interesting theory about him being the White Rabbit though. If they do have Nealfire be more than just Neal and Baelfire, I hope they just go nuts with it and make him more than just the White Rabbit, who I don’t think is that important in his story, and make him Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz too, or if not the main characters at least have him be a minor character in those stories too.
Of course, at this time I sort of just want Nealfire to be himself because I can just read all the backlash already if they make him all these other characters since there’s a lot of backlash with his father being put into so many other people’s stories, but then again, if he is more than just Nealfire, I think it gives him more importance, not that he’s not already. It’s just that if there really is someone that might have a secret agenda in trying to get all these characters in place, it might explain why he was part of the equation along with Emma being a part because we already know why she is now because she’s the Savior. We don’t know why Bae might be though yet.
I hope it will not be Bae’s heart,. I do not like August and the Blue Fairy in the moment, but if there really Bae’s heart in there I will hate them. I mean the Blue Fairy could prevent the course 300 years ago, when she give the magic tree to Rumpelstiltskin. She should have known how desperate he was and August steal money and say he is the guardian angel. 👿
Yes, if there was a heart in the box, I hope it was Cora’s and not Neal’s. There would be that parallel between Graham and Neal though, but I don’t think Neal acted anything like Graham did since to me it didn’t seem like he had any trouble feeling at all. Of course, I don’t think Aurora had any trouble feeling at least guilty after her heart was taken, so I don’t know if it’s because her heart had only been removed shortly before that scene, or the writers just forgot or ignored what they wrote before about what happens to a person who is missing a heart.
@Faux Pax wrote:
I really, really hope that there is more to his absence then just him being afraid. Espenson (or one of the other writers) said that what Neal was doing outside of storybrooke was important or something like that. Maybe the reason he didn’t rush back wasn’t just because he was afraid, but because he couldn’t leave whatever he was doing quite yet.
Yes, I would hope so too. I can understand him being afraid that she wouldn’t want to be with him and/or reluctant to face his father, but given the depth of the love that I believe he has for Emma, I think that would make him at least try to see what happened to her, and if there might be a chance still.
Plus, I agree Jane Espenson made it sound like something outside of Neal was preventing him from getting to Storybrooke already. I just hope it’s not another love interest or him having obligations to some kind of organized crime family or anything along the lines of that. I’m bracing myself for that possibility though.
