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@Phee wrote:
Could be one of the child soldiers in the Ogre War. In which case she’d likely be someone Rumple met. Would we be due for another Rumple ep by then? Actually, scratch that, because 10 was below the recruiting age, and we don’t even know that they were recruiting kids at the time when Rumple went to war. Though I guess if she was just a POW and not also a soldier, her age wouldn’t exclude her being involved.
You could be onto something. Besides realizing he was facing a losing battle and deserting, I wonder if what he saw at war caused Rumple to become a “coward”, which I think is actually him having post traumatic stress disorder. (I actually don’t think he was a coward until he became the Dark One, ironically, because a coward wouldn’t have tried to get the Dagger or get his wife back from pirates, even if he did fail at the latter quest.)
Anyhow, if he saw children being taken prisoner and who knows what kind of treatment he saw them receive that could be a large part of his PTSD.
As for being ready for another Rumple episode, I think it would as long as we don’t get one now between now and this episode.
Episode 1 – Ensemble
Episode 2 – Regina-centric
Episode 3 – Snow-centric
Episode 4 – Rumple-centric
Episode 5 – Regina-centric, to me, but should have been Dr. Whale-centric
Episode 6 – Emma-centric
Episode 7 – Ruby-centric
Episode 8 – Ensemble
Episode 9 – Ensemble
Episode 10 – Archie? Regina?
Episode 11 – Belle
Episode 12 – Rumple? Hook? Dr. Whale?
Episode 13 – Aurora? Snow?
Episode 14 – Rumple?[adrotate group="5"]@Phee wrote:
Nah, the one in Neal’s apartment doesn’t look like it could be a cricket trophy IMO. The stance of Neal’s trophy is an under arm bowling action, and cricket balls are NOT bowled under arm (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZdaVmz_kg). Also, Neal’s trophy appears to be wearing a skirt, and modern day female cricketers certainly don’t wear skirts.
Yes, I know. I just want Neal to come back sooner than later. Any predictions for which episode in the second half of the season that he’ll return? I’m hoping by episode 13 or 14 at the latest.
I don’t mean to blow up your party guy, but the first picture is a softball trophy (you can tell by the “4 seem shape) and the second picture is a bowling one…
I have no idea, but it’s suppose to be a cricket player trophy according to Google images. 😀
Perhaps Cora uses magic to “thrust” Hook into the group of nuns, which comes across as violent because Hook protests the transformation. I wouldn’t blame the guy for not wanting to be a nun, since taking a vow of celibacy and being an amorous pirate don’t really mix. As a dude with an eye for a pretty lady, I don’t think Hook’s efforts to flirt with every woman in the convent would come across as er, orthodox, if he were disguised as a fellow sister. I’m not sure I actually believe my own theory, but it’s the first wild idea that sprung to mind when I read the key phrase, “a righteous crowd.” It certainly would fit Josh Dallas’ description of being “shocking”, “exciting” and not what you’d expect.
Hopefully, he could restrain himself from flirting while being mixed in with them. It’s funny when Dr. Whale does it after everyone awakens, but it might come off a bit creepy if Hook does it while he’s living and observing them because he’s working with Cora to get revenge on Rumpelstiltskin.
Thanks slurpeez. I’m guessing this is just an original character because the only famous character that I can think of that could see the future was Cassandra, but I’ve never seen her played as a 10 year old before.
@medchen wrote:
Buhuu! Why do we have to wait so long for next episode…. 😥
I wonder if this cricket thing is going to be a let down. We’re speculating all these great things with Archie, but there’s not even a glimmer of him in the promo.
Other things look awsome though !
I think it’s because of what slurpeez wrote earlier that the promos is showing scenes from not just one episode but a few episodes, so they can’t cram everything from episode 10 in. Plus, they may not want to give it away.
Or another idea, although I think it’s most likely involves Archie in some way, is that it could be referring to something/someone else besides Archie. I doubt it, but I did just read a theory about Neal’s bowling trophy. I totally forgot about that, but it’s possible that instead of being a bowling trophy it was a cricket trophy of some kind because some of those trophies look similar to what was in his apartment.
How that would fit in with the next episode and the title, I have no clue though.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I’m not faulting Henry for wanting to spend time with his family, that’s completely understandable, it’s the way he went about it. One of Regina’s fears since Emma came to Storybrooke was that she would take Henry away from her. Now that Emma has returned, it looks like that fear is coming true. Regina had no place in going to dinner with Henry and the Charmings, everyone knew that, but Henry should have at least offered. Regina would’ve probably refused anyway but there is a difference between declining an invitation and being left out.
Yes, but it wasn’t Emma didn’t take Henry away from Regina, it was Regina that drove Henry from her by trying to convince him and those around him that he was crazy even though he was right all along. Not only that, but she kept trying to kill or destroy those that he cared about like Emma, Snow, and Charming last season. In this season, despite them helping her, she would have killed David had Henry not stopped her, and she really didn’t help to bring Emma and Snow back, only getting involved when Henry was getting injured by his dreams. She’s lucky that he still allows her in his life in any capacity at all after everything that she’s done to him and those that he cares about.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I wonder if some of the new footage isn’t actually footage from the next several episodes. It just seems like a lot of big things to fit into one episode. I also share the feeling that Hook and Cora would want to lay low for awhile as they plot their next move. I read in a post winter-finale interview that Hook’s ship is enchanted to be invisible and that Hook decides to keep a low righteous profile. Maybe Cora disguises Hook as a nun (Tinker Bell)! 💡 How hallarious would it be if Dr. Whale finally works up the nerve to hit on a nun who turns out to be Hook in disguise! 😆 That interview can be read here: http://tvline.com/2012/12/02/once-upon-a-time-midseason-finale-recap-burning-questions/2/
Aw, thanks. I haven’t been into spoilers as much because they popped my bubble, but that makes sense that the ship is enchanted to be invisible. I wasn’t sure if they were doing that or not because there’s all these pictures of Hook and Cora around town that it seems like they weren’t trying to keep hidden at all. It’s hard to tell though from just the picture like how there was that spoiler about how Regina zapped Emma with a spell right after she returned, and that didn’t happen in “Queen of Hearts” instead Regina was absorbing the magic to save Emma and Snow. Unless that person was talking about that happening in “The Cricket Game”, but fandom made it seem as though it was going to happen immediately after Emma returned.
I also have a feeling that Cora is going to use her magic to impersonate Archie, hence the title “The Cricket Game.” Disguised as Regina’s therapist, Cora could play mind games with Regina, plant negative thoughts about the Charmings in her head, and convince her to keep Henry “safe” using magic, thus pushing Regina off of the no-magic bandwagon. More than anything, I believe Cora wants to mold Regina into her own twisted, magic-junkie image, so planting false thoughts in her daughter’s head while disguised as Archie would be the ultimate form of mind-control Cora could use on Regina. Going from saving Emma’s life in one episode to hurling Emma through the air with magic in the next episode happens all too fast unless Cora preying on Regina’s weaknesses is compelling this sudden shift in character judgement.
Yes, Cora is definitely going to mess with Regina’s head in some way. I loved that they made Cora so twisted last night instead of having her just go wanting revenge on her daughter route. It makes it even more messed up that she actually believes that she’s helping Regina than if she had been like Hook and only wanted to revenge on her daughter like he wants revenge on Rumple.
Yes, Emma finding Baelfire is surely the favor she owes Mr. Gold. Also, Jennifer Morrison confirmed that while Emma thinks she knows all about Henry’s dad, Neal, there is also a part of him she doesn’t know at all. I think the part she doesn’t know is that Neal’s real identity is Baelfire.
I loved that the main parts about the promo were about Regina relapsing, Hook’s battle with Rumple, and Rumple trying to find his son since I think those 3 plot points will be what gets the most time in the second half of the season. It definitely fits in with what MRJ saying that in the second half of the season he would be in the show a lot if Neal is Bae.
I also loved that the promo seemed to be hinting at Neal being Bae too since they showed the Charmings right before that, and the voice over said “family secrets will be revealed.” If it’s just Rumple’s secret about Bae, that really doesn’t seem to warrant a big voice over about secrets coming out, but if Bae is Neal too, then that line makes sense.
@Lil’Red wrote:
I’m thinking along the same lines, that Cora hasn’t had her heart for some time. I’m even wondering if she’s had her heart at all during Regina’s life. Based on how the show’s worked so far, and Cora’s repeated message of love being a weakness – I’m pretty much sold that it was her weakness.I’m thinking young (teenage?) Cora got burned pretty badly as the Miller’s daughter, became Rumpelstiltskin’s apprentice, and (in the lesson on pulling out hearts) pulled out her own to prove how strong she was now. Maybe, her ability to do that, was part of the reason Rumple worked to keep her out of Storybrooke – she’s beyond him in ruthlessness.
There didn’t seem to be affection in her marriage to Henry, so I wouldn’t be amazed if her heart was gone before he came into the picture…
That seems very believable to me. I wonder if King George is the person that burned her, since some people have speculated that Cora might have been the woman that he was talking about in “Lady of the Lake”. Wouldn’t that be funny if some kind of misunderstanding kept them apart all these years, and they finally reunite at the end of this season finding that out, and their happy ending now is the two of them dying together? Aw, Emma bringing everyone their happy endings even villains.
I can’t help but think that Cora hid her heart in another world.
As for where Cora’s heart is, I’ve read a lot of good theories so far, but right now there’s just so many possibilities of where it could be. If she did go to other worlds, we haven’t seen Oz so far, so maybe that will be how they tie in that story. Although I’m not sure if we will see Oz this season, or if they had to push it back to next season.
If not Oz, what about the Netherworld? I presume that story line isn’t finished quite yet, and having Emma go into the underworld to retrieve a valuable item to defeat the villain is something included in many myths.
ETA: I guess I should throw in Neverland too. We haven’t seen actually seen it yet, and if Bae is Peter Pan, they could possibly tie in Cora’s heart being there with the reveal about him being Peter Pan.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
While I don’t think the Charmings should suddenly embrace Regina as a member of the family, I think even MIss Manners would agree that a courteous dinner invitation was merited, considering that if it hadn’t been for Regina, Emma and Snow would be toast by now. Excluding Regina is just setting her up to fall off of what little high moral ground she’s gained recently. Every recovering addict needs a support group. Leaving her alone is just setting her up to fail again. Henry and Emma especially needed to take the lead and include Regina, since Snow and Charming have the worst history with Regina. I’ve never been a huge fan of Regina’s, but I do want her to continue to recover. (Regretfully, I doubt Regina will stay on the straight and narrow now given Cora’s arrival in SB. If anything, it probably means at least a temporary relapse for Regina).
I’m not really an expert on etiquette, but someone in the chat pointed out that it would have been wrong for Henry or any of the other Charmings to invite Regina because Ruby is the one that invited everyone. It wasn’t their place to invite her.
Etiquette aside though, I don’t think it should fall on the Charmings and the others to help Regina from relapsing. She barely interacts with Ruby and the Dwarves, so they have no idea what is going on with her. All they know about her is that she’s the Evil Queen who kept trying to keep Snow and Charming apart, sent everyone to Storybrooke where they had a set of false memories, and then when that plan didn’t work, she used force on anyone that tried to keep her from her son, until he had to intervene and save everyone. They might know that she’s trying to change, but her past evil behavior is still pretty recent, and they’re probably very wary that she’ll eventually return to her old ways.
I don’t think it’s up to the Charmings to help Regina from relapsing either because imo it would be like asking a family that a murderer went after to help that person rehabilitate him/herself. I think that they’ve done more than enough in being nice to her, especially David, considering the circumstances. They didn’t have to protect her from the mob, but they did. They didn’t have to protect her from the Wraith, but they did. David didn’t have to let her be able to see Henry and even stay with Henry unsupervised, but he did.
It’s not up to Henry either because he’s only a child, and that’s too much responsibility for him to burden. It would be too much like Bae having the burden of his father being the Dark One and trying to change him.
I agree Regina does need a support system, and she has one in Archie, which is a start. She needs more than that, but right now I don’t think it should fall on any of the townspeople to be that for her because of all that she’s done to them in the past.
Exactly. They had to show her all emotionally wounded and vulnerable so that what happens to her next makes sense. Cora’s come back because she believed that Regina would need her to help pick up the pieces. Well, Cora was right, Regina’s pretty lost and lonely right now. So when Cora shows up, it’ll create some great drama when Regina is tempted to use magic for evil all over again. If she doesn’t think that using it just to do good has really got her anywhere, then she’s gonna have a major internal struggle and most likely a relapse, which frankly, is pretty realistic, because if they just had her drop the dark magic quick and easy, I wouldn’t buy it. Baby steps. But patience is a virtue that I don’t think Regina possesses.
Yes, patience is definitely not a virtue that Regina possesses. I’m just glad that I was right that it seemed too easy for her up until now and that when Emma and Snow returned, so would her struggle because they do set off all her issues. I agree that it’s much more realistic that Regina is going to be really struggling with trying to be better, which is great because if and when she finally is able to deal with her anger and feelings in other ways besides turning to dark magic, it will be more rewarding for her and the audience.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Ok, I’m a big Regina fan, but even I didn’t feel sorry for her at the end. Yes, she helped Snow and Emma. But let’s get real here. She destroyed everything Snow held dear. She killed her father and nearly killed her husband Charming. I love that Regina saved them in the end, but inviting the person who destroyed your life over for dinner would be ridiculously OOC for the Charmings.
Yes, we also have to remember that Emma and Snow just returned and don’t know what’s been going on in Storybrooke since they’ve been gone. (Not that they should have invited her even if they had known she’s trying to change, but still, they’re not fully aware of what’s going on with Regina like the audience is.)
@Hannah97 wrote:
Okay first of all, I was sooo disappointed that we didn’t have more new stuff. Seriously people? We have to wait a whole month, the least you could do is give us a full thirty seconds of footage.
So first, of all, Rumple confronting Hook… on his ship. Well, it doesn’t look like it’s going to take them very long to start going at it. And here I was thinking Hook and Cora would sneak in Storybrooke and lay low for a while.
Yes, it’s like they’re trying to twist the knife deeper into my heart because I wanted the impostor theory to happen or some form of it. Yes, everyone in Storybrooke already knows they’re coming, but geeze, Cora and Hook, wouldn’t it make more sense to be on the down low to gather intel and do some retcon first.
(I hope this Barrett character, assuming, he’s a bad guy, is smart and they just make him a straight up bad guy because they have to make Cora all sympathetic again, albeit twisted of course.)
Second, Oh my gosh! I think Gold is finally calling his favor! And of course Bae will probably be Neal. Can’t wait for that reunion.
That was definitely the favorite part of the promo for me. 😀
Okay, so in FTL, Regina is after Snow, wants her dead, has her against the wall… when did this happen? Clearly she’s in Evil Queen mode, but did you see her hair? I mean, she’s wearing normal clothes, her hair is in a normal ponytail, and yet they appear to be in some sort of castle. Whaaaaaat?
Yes, I don’t know what’s going on with Regina in the promo. Her eyes looked to be glowing in one scene, and then she’s using spells on Emma. It looks like she’s having a major relapse. I bet Cora has something to do with it. (Hey just maybe impostor theory can survive if Cora/Archie is causing this relapse in Regina.)
