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@bec wrote:
Huntsman was able to defie EQ in FTL when he helped Charming escape. Later he fell for Emma and remembered his past life despite not having a heart. I think Aurora can maintain some of her own humanity despite Cora and thus help Snow and Emma. I can only HOPE.
Thats true. But isnt Cora more powerful than Regina? I’m not sure if the amount of power the person has impacts on their control of the person, but it might.
Do you think that maybe Lancelot will come back in this episode? Because we havent heard anything from him and we dont know for sure if hes really dead.Good point maybe because Cora is more powerful than Regina, Aurora won’t be able to resist as much as the Hunstman did. Plus, she doesn’t even know that Hook took out her heart, so she doesn’t know that there’s anything to really resist against yet.
As for Lancelot, I think he’ll come back this season, but I think he’s going to be in Storybrooke not FTL and will pop up to help the good guys against Cora, Hook, possibly King George, and maybe this Barrett character.
[adrotate group="5"]@slurpeez108 wrote:
Sneak Peek 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGWjHvW8zfM&feature=player_embedded
Holy tostitos, I totally didn’t see any of that coming! Hook and Belle knew each other in the EF. Regina offered to help Hook. 😯 Gotta admit I wouldn’t mind seeing an Evil Hook pairing; they’re both so devious. 🙂Finally they’re unleashing the evil side of Hook more! This is what I’ve been waiting for the whole time he’s been introduced. None of this wishy-washy stuff like they’re making Rumple and Regina go through now, just back to pure unadulterated villainous behavior. Loved that he knocked the crap out of Belle when it was clear that she wasn’t going to be any use to him.
How funny is that too that not only does it look like Regina is going to save Snowing this episode, but in a way she helped save Rumbelle too because Hook was about to take out Belle’s heart there perhaps to kill her or just use it as a tool against Rumple.
I guess Hook and Regina really did meet after all, and it’s not Cora in disguise even though Regina is looking very Cora like in that scene. I wouldn’t mind a Hook/Regina pairing at all either. Not only do they look great together, but they actually have a lot in common mostly losing their true loves in very similar ways. Sometimes they could be evil together, and sometimes they could be good together, because they couldn’t get their evil on anymore if they tried pairing them up in a Rumbelle type of situation where the other partner is the good one trying to reform them and what fun would that be. 😀
Belle was locked up for a really long time. All those tally marks on the wall. If one tally mark equals a day then Regina had Belle locked up for at least a year. What was Belle wearing? It wasn’t her Blue dress she left Rumple’s castle in.
Yes, I was hoping that she stayed free longer between the events of “Dreamy” and whenever Regina took her prisoner, but it doesn’t look like it. 🙁
I can’t wait to see this episode.
I know! I need this episode right now.
@beautyistruth wrote:
I have a bad feeling the in-show morality in this episode is going to annoy me all break. It’s not unreasonable for Regina and Gold to assume that Cora will be coming through the portal, especially after Charming never woke up from the sleeping curse.It’s not unreasonable to let Snow and Emma die to stop Cora (assuming they aren’t overblowing how dangerous Cora is for some ulterior motive).
But, Emma and Snow are the main characters and I’m pretty sure in-show morality is going to say that you never let the main characters die. The writers justify it as “faith,” which… eh. It’s idealistic, but if anything, I think Rumple and Regina should know more than anything that “good” doesn’t always win, both from the times they’ve been hurt and the times they’ve successfully hurt others. We get the viewer-perspective benefit of knowing that Emma and Snow will make it, because this show’s going to keep going. The characters in the show don’t have that benefit, and they’ve seen good people die or lose.
If Regina sucking out the magic is going to be held up as a “she’s truly changed” moment. I’m going to cringe. All that’s going to show is that she’ll do anything to keep Henry’s affections, which we already know, even if it means temporarily putting him in more danger.
I know what you mean. That’s why I hope that there’s some kind of twist with who comes through the portal, but I don’t think there will be.
Plus, I don’t know it just feels too early for good to win, even a temporary win, at this point since I haven’t felt like they’ve ever been in any real danger except for the last episode. There was all this talk about Cora being evil, but besides killing Daniel in the first season, we really didn’t get to see that much of her in action until “Into the Deep”. So she didn’t really come across that evil, even though I do believe that she is worse than Regina and Rumple. Likewise, until “Into the Deep” and now the second sneak peek for “Queen of Hearts”, Hook never came off as much of a threat either. The ogres and giant didn’t either, so if they were trying to make present day FTL seem really dangerous for this whole time, it didn’t seem that effective to me. Of course, I want the Charmings to be reunited, but I wish the tension had been ratcheted up more instead of these last two episodes. It was my same complaint about last season where the last four or five episodes were great about ratcheting up the tension and made OUaT definitely must see tv, but in between there can be too much filler.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Yeah, I’m not thrilled with that turn of events, like attacking Ruby in a very “Dark One” style. I think he’ll justify it saying he’s doing everything he can to protect Belle but his actions, like so often, are flawed no matter how good his intentions. I really hope he and Regina come together to take down the barrier and it’s not just Regina alone. Maybe Belle will show up like Henry did and persuade Rumple! *a girl can dream*
If Rumple doesn’t end up doing tha, just think of it as more angst for Rumple and Bae, if Neal turns out to be Bae. 😀
@ceege wrote:
Last season, when Emma kissed Henri, she broke not only the sleeping curse, but The Curse. So, I’m wondering if we’ll find that the barrier curse will be broken when Snow finally kisses Charming in Storybrook.
I’m thinking one way for the writers to show us it’s been broken is by having King George condemned to be pushed over the town limits, so that he forgets his vendetta against Charming. However, once over the line, he starts laughing, and says he remembers everything.
I love that idea, but maybe instead of King George doing that, he acts like he forgot everything that way people think that he’s harmless, well relatively harmless, so that he can work with Cora later on really upping the odds this season. I don’t particularly like King George, but I thought he turned out to be a pretty lame villain, well maybe not to Gus-Gus and Ruth, for Charming to be able to neutralize him in one episode.
Plus, I’m still waiting for the big “let’s take over the Kingdom” story line that I thought was suppose to happen this year, but has only been shown in one episode so far. Let’s see a parallel between Snow and Charming overthrowing King George in past FTL to the Charmings + Rumple’s family + Regina having to overthrow Cora, Hook, King George, and any other baddies that might be in Storybrooke.
Also, if Rumple still thinks that the barrier curse is in place if King George fakes not remembering, he’ll likely want Emma to find Bae as his favor, and then she’ll be the first to find out that Neal is Bae.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Could definitely be the case! In the extended promo, it kind of looks to me like Mr. Gold is the one who cast a spell to block the portal, but then it looks like Regina intervenes at Henry’s desperate pleading to save Snow and Emma. Who ever would’ve thought that Regina would save Snow White and Emma from an otherwise certain death?
Definitely very ironic.
I probably shouldn’t have watched it though because now I want the impostor theory to happen so badly even though I don’t think it will at least as far as both Cora and Hook impersonating Snow and Emma because I think it gives the situation even more dramatic irony. They will think that Henry was right when “Emma and Snow” come through the portal. There will be much rejoicing because good does in fact triumph over evil, and it will help Regina and Rumple show that they should be more like the Charmings and have faith. Then, cut to the final scene of the episode where they show it’s really Cora and Hook in disguise, and it turns out Regina and Rumple were right all along evil finds a way to defeat good because good has to play fair just like Henry said in “Desperate Souls” after he who shall not be named was murdered.
Sure it could work if Emma and Snow find another way to get through at the same time, but Cora and Hook come out of the portal. This seems unlikely though because Rumple and Regina would just blast them when they came through.
I guess they’re going for the really happy ending though before the break with maybe a tinge of “oh no” if they show Cora and Hook get to Storybrooke by the end of the episode by some other means just when everyone thinks that they’re okay.
Sadly, Mr. Gold doesn’t seem to be as easily convinced. He says in the extended promo, “Doesn’t matter who comes through. No one can survive this.” Just when I thought Belle was helping him become a better man. 😐 Also, there is a brief scene of Mr. Gold using a spell in the mines; maybe he is harnessing the power of the newly-discovered magical diamonds in order the block the well portal. Extended promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-6ZwVkQCCA&feature=player_embedded
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While I don’t think he’s right in what he’s doing, I can’t completely blame him either because it’s not entirely selfish, necessarily, to want to make sure Cora doesn’t make it to Storybrooke. She’s likely to destroy many people’s lives more than just two, so he probably justifying his decision to do that to Emma and Snow based on that.
@playarita wrote:
I thought that maybe Arawn, the ruler of Annwn might have felt that the sleeping curse was encroaching on his territory or wanted to ensure that the heroes (they are the ones who usually fall under the curse) have a chance to awake from the curse and fight the villain.
What are everyone’s ideas about Netherworld and what might happen to Charming?
Thanks for the information. It finally came to me that after episode 8 about how this season is all about the unconscious/conscious/limbo, and I wished I had seen it earlier because of how they chose to open the season with Sleeping Beauty being awakened from being under the Sleeping Curse. In fact, every episode this season has some kind of reference to that particular theme usually as a significant part of that episode.
Episode One – Storybrooke residents continue to experience their awakening. Sleeping Beauty is introduced. A wraith removes Phillip’s soul, but perhaps he is not dead just not with his body anymore.
Episode Two – Storybrooke residents realize that they cannot leave town lest they lose the memory of who they really are which keeps Rumple from his main goal of reuniting with his son Bae.
Episode Three – Okay not as much as the other episodes, I admit, but if Snow weren’t unconscious, Cora would have never been able to get close enough to Emma to find out about Henry. However, this wasn’t necessarily too bad, at least in that episode, because it makes Snow realize that Lancelot is really Cora.
Episode Four – Belle’s father would rather she not have any memories of her FTL self if it means that Rumpelstiltskin won’t be in her life.
Episode Five – At the end of the episode, “Daniel” seems to be existing in some kind of state of limbo that sounds incredibly painful for him forcing Regina to finally let him go. She also starts visiting the “conscious” of the show.
Episode Six – The dream catcher could be a hint that Neal is not just a normal person because most, well actually I would say based on my experience, everyone that is his age would know what a dream catcher was. The big thing though is we find out that Aurora and Henry are having the same nightmare.
Episode Seven – It expands more on Aurora’s and Henry’s nightmare. Ruby’s story could also tie in because she was unaware of what she did when she was in her other mind.
Episode Eight – Obviously, the whole episode is about the unconscious.
I think that Ethan Embry's character, Barrett will be someone that is connected to the Netherworld somehow, so Barrett could definitely turn out to be Arawn.
I thought this was interesting from your link too,
According to Koch,[4] the name Arawn may be derived from the Biblical name Aaron, the name of Moses’s brother, and so is ultimately of Hebrew origin and meaning ‘exalted.’
It definitely fits with K&H’s style to have another Lost nod in OUaT.
@Vampirefan12 wrote:
Katerina could be Aurora’s mother.
Given the information now about Princess Katerina being the Russian version of “Sleeping Beauty”, I think this makes the most sense since Aurora’s mother was also under the Sleeping Curse. I think her name was Briar Rose? Plus, with so much revolving around the conscious/unconscious this season, Katerina being Aurora’s mom fits.
@Lil’Red wrote:
She’s being linked to Neal’s fairytale backstory (possibly)
Ausiello: Help me solve this latest fairy tale riddle: The show is casting the role of Katerina, a regal beauty in her 40s who possesses elegance, poise and purity of spirit. Thoughts? Theories? Bueller? No? Let’s see what TVLine’s resident OUAT expert Mitovich has dug up: “There is a Princess Katerina who is the Russian version of ‘Sleeping Beauty’ — which I suppose makes sense if Emma & Co. need yet another survivor of a sleeping spell to venture into the netherworld. But if the name is a foiler, this character almost reads like a ‘Glenda the Good Witch’-esque counterpart to Regina, and maybe she figures into someone’s fairytale land backstory.”
http://tvline.com/2012/11/27/once-upon-a-time-spoilers-community-true-blood-ask-ausiello/
It sort of seems that way, but elsewhere, people who are more familiar than I am with Michael Ausielllo, say that he does this all the time where someone asks him one question about a show, and he just totally disregards it by giving some other information.
It makes me bummed though because out of all the Neal is Baelfire + ______, him being the Wizard of Oz would bother me the least even though I know Oz is a magical place. (Of course, it feels like the Blue Fairy has been wrong about everything she’s ever said now that I’m prepared for her to be wrong about that too.) The biggest problem is that he’s a little bit too young though to be the Wizard and be Neal unless his story is unfinished there, but besides that I think it would be fitting in a way that Bae grew up to be a “wizard” in his own non-magical way.
It would fit in with the green vortex taking him from FTL. fairydust, who I haven’t seen around much had the great evidence about all the radio equipment in Neal’s apartment. Apparently whatever is in the box was red, so it could be the ruby slippers, even though in the book they were silver. Also, I don’t know if this will be Bae’s episode since that might be closer to the end of the season perhaps episode 19 since that was when we learned how he was lost in FTL last season, but I think MRJ should be back by this time since he’s starting to film again in December, and he said he would be the show a lot then so this new character could tie in with him or not.
This quote from Wikipedia about the Wizard stood out to be because of the ball of fire part not necessarily. Plus, out of all the characters so far, Baelfire is the one that we’ve seen the most of at different stages of his life even more so than Emma so far, so I guess that could fit him being in a different form every time he’s seen except that’s probably stretching it. It was more so about the Wizard appearing in the form of a ball of fire than anything else.
On each of these occasions, the Wizard appears in a different form, once as a giant head, once as a beautiful fairy, once as a ball of fire, and once as a horrible monster. When, at last, he grants an audience to all of them at once, he seems to be invisible—nothing but a disembodied voice.
I did read, but I’m not sure how true it is since I only saw it at one place so far that they weren’t going to tackle The Wizard of Oz this season which makes sense in that there’s already so much else going on. However, since the new movie, Oz: The Great and Powerful is also from Disney, I could see it strongly being suggested to K&H that they should find room somehow to work in The Wizard of Oz around the time the movie comes out in order to do cross promotion. Of course, I don’t think they would necessarily make K&H do so, but the movie comes out on March 8, and episode 15 of last year aired on March 11. Of course, this season started out earlier so episode 15 of this year will probably air sometime during February sweeps month and early enough to be part of the advertising blitz for Oz: The Great and the Powerful.
(Also, not that this is really evidence that Bae could be the Wizard of Oz, but I think that James Franco who is playing the Wizard of Oz, with his mustache looks like he could be MRJ’s little brother like in this picture.)
I think Bae will most likely be Bae, but it’s getting very difficult waiting to find out for sure.
ETA: Wrong picture.
@Oncewatcher wrote:
But does “regular” mean permanent cast member? If it does, I’ll be thrilled. Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately, there’s really not such a thing as that. Look at Charlie Sheen and Two and Half Men. It seemed like he was irreplaceable because he was the lead on the most watched sitcom and he was a part of the title, but if they can replace him, they can replace anyone on any tv show.
Not saying that will happen or not, but everyone is expendable in Hollywood.
@myril wrote:
It just gets too complicate. Too much headaches. It sounds to me more plausible that it is Aurora’s heart.
Phew, I know I was starting to get a brain cramp trying to trying to answer all those questions in your post. 😀
I agree though that we weren’t shown Hook taking it because of time constraints and to maximize the suspense of what it was. (I also thought he had the bean that the Giant had around his neck after I convinced myself that they’d never have Hook cross that line and really take Aurora’s heart out. Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought that’s what Hook had if it wasn’t a heart.) Also K&H confirmed it in their podcast that it was indeed Aurora’s heart and that Hook was the one that removed it.
The question I would have is, ‘how did he (Hook) learn to do that?’ Because we’ve only seen very specific people do that. We’ve only seen The Queen, Cora and Rumple. I would say watch episode 9.”
— Eddy Kitsis (Regarding how Hook got Aurora’s heart during the ‘Into the Deep’ podcast)
