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I don’t really know where to post this, but I saw this on Tumblr and had just had to share.
http://ladyannarielle.tumblr.com/post/36638286756
I love SwanFire fans! I would have never even have noticed this.
(Henry is just doing it a little bit, but kudos to ladyannarielle for finding all these photos.)I thought that this link, http://theclassics4.tumblr.com/post/36594637046/the-perfect-crinkley-eyed-smile-robert-carlyle was cute too not only because it has a lot of pictures of Robert Carlyle smiling but also because MRJ’s face gets all crinkly like that too when he smiles.
[adrotate group="5"]@Lil’Red wrote:
Honestly, if he continues to get darker and darker (which it looks like he will) I want him to stay. The show lost both main antagonists in one swoop (feels that way) so we need someone like Hook in the mix. However, I’m hoping for Barrett to be the next BIG VILLAIN – worse even than Cora.
I guess it might be too much like Buffy the Vampire Slayer in that every year there’s a new big bad/bads to overcome. Maybe the final season, they could have the villains unite or something big like that.
I thought that’s what they’re doing now, well mostly since I think Regina and/or maybe even Rumple, could pop again as the main villain some season. Anyhow, I’m all for Hook becoming darker and darker at least this season, but next season, I wouldn’t mind having a new villain or villains again and having Hook be shipped off somewhere except maybe a few times a season. I agree though that Barrett looks to be the next big villain, but I wonder if we’ll actually see that this year, or if they’ll wait to next season to do so.
@Naomi wrote:
With Gerhardt AND Philip…I wonder if the theme of this episode will have something to do with “lost souls”?
I know dead is dead…technically. But technically Philip only had his soul sucked out and hasn’t truly died, right? Maybe there’s a spirit land or a place with lost souls, between life and death, like a purgatory…and in that realm Gerhardt meets Philip and helps him return back to the land of the living?
Either that or we’ll see one or both of them in flashbacks.
Just a guess, but maybe the medallion is a kind of “portal” to the netherworld and the wraith its keeper.
I’m loving these ideas especially in light of the unconscious/conscious themes running through this season.
I guess I was so blinded by Cora and Hook joining the show that I didn’t realize that they had it planned since the beginning with having Sleeping Beauty being awoken to open the new season. Besides Sleeping Beauty, there was obviously the new threat of the Wraith being released and sucking Phillip’s soul.
Then, in the next episode everyone in Storybrooke has to accept that if they try to leave town, they’ll have one set of their memories erased from their mind forever.
“Lady of the Lake” is a little trickier, since nothing sticks out as much as the Wraith or dreams, but it could be that because Snow was unconscious Cora is able to get closer to Emma than if Snow had been conscious which inadvertently leads to Emma revealing information about Henry, which is how Snow and Emma are able to tell that Cora is really Lancelot.
In “The Crocodile”, Maurice would rather that his daughter lose memories of her FTL life and only have her memories of Storybrooke rather than have her stay with Rumpelstiltskin.
Next, Regina begins visiting the person who represents the conscious in Storybrooke. There’s also obviously Daniel being brought back from the dead, and Dr. Frankenstein experimenting using science trying to bring back people who have died, specifically his brother.
In “Tallahassee”, Henry’s dad sees a dream catcher for the first time, and wants to keep it after Emma tells him that it’s like flypaper for dreams. (He also still has it as shown in the first episode.) More importantly, this is where viewers find out that Aurora has been having the same nightmare, and that Henry has too.
Further, in “Child of the Moon”, we learn that people can communicate with each other through their unconscious minds. I guess technically Ruby’s story could also tie in since she wasn’t sure if she had killed Billy or not because of the state her mind was in at the time she was a wolf again after not being one for almost 30 years.
Of course, “Into the Deep” was all about dreams.
Now I also wonder if Barrett is connected into the unconscious realm in some way because it makes sense for an important character, like it seems he will be, to be connected to that realm. Maybe someone does something that they’re not suppose to like maybe Cora or maybe even a good character, and he comes to Storybrooke to “fix” it. Or maybe he has some other purpose in mind. It makes sense, imo, because he wouldn’t necessarily be an “evil” character like Cora is, but he would definitely could be very gray. If he thought that whatever a Storybrooke resident or residents were doing was hurting his realm, I could see him justifying his dark actions in that protecting his realm was the greater good. In that way, he could parallel the Blue Fairy.
Oh, I feel like the impostor theory has definitely become my new _____ is definitely Bae theory. Hee, there’s so many possibilities on who Cora could possibly impersonate that in a way I hope it doesn’t diminish the theory too much. I mean I admit there’s a lot of holes in it if Cora impersonates Snow, but I think they gave her the ability to shape shift into other people for a reason besides just finding about the wardrobe. I think it would be like how in Harry Potter, Polyjuice Potion and someone being an unregistered animagus came up throughout the series not just brought up once and never used again. Although for OUaT, I don’t think they should overuse the idea if in fact they went that way, but in order to make Cora feel like a real threat but work around Barbara Hershey’s schedule, since she’s not a regular, Cora impersonating someone in Storybrooke seems like a way to do that. Of course, it’s not the only
way, but it’s just one that seems the easiest to do right now, imo.Anyhow, I thought this quote from an interview Jamie Chung did with ET was interesting,
ETonline: What are you excited for the fans to see this season?
Chung: I can’t give away a lot, but it gets stranger and darker. People are going to think we’re a cable show with how dark it gets. The dream [that Henry and Aurora share] is hugely important to the rest of the season. We discover that we can use to our benefit – but then, whatever can be used for good can also be used for evil. That’s a big theme in the next two episodes. What was once good can be used for evil, and vice versa. It’s really important to keep that in mind over the next two weeks.Maybe she’s talking about Aurora’s heart being something that was good that’s now being used for evil, which definitely makes sense. However, before that she talks about the shared dream that Henry and Aurora have, so I wonder if that’s something that Cora and/or Hook will be able to manipulate to their advantage. The unconscious realm is definitely playing a major role this season, so that would certainly fit if Cora/Hook could manipulate the good guys in that realm as well as in the conscious world.
@AngieBelle wrote:
Hm…I never questioned that August took the money. That seemed pretty obvious to me, not vague at all. They were very deliberately vague in the case of the heart.
I think they were just being vague because they wanted to totally surprise the viewers. I know that I thought that he might have removed her heart when he was talking about what he had, but I was like, “no, they’re not going to really go there because they’re afraid to cross that line with Hook.” Then, I was like, “oh yes! They did have the nerve to go there.”
I’m sure someone will ask K&H about it or tweet to Jane Espenson about it before long, so hopefully this matter will get cleared up.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I think he’s a regular for the last 9 episodes of the series. As for killing off Hook, I can see why they might want to do it. They can’t have too many villains redeeming themselves. If he does die, I can see it being at Cora’s hand. Whether he dies a heroic death protecting Emma and fighting against Cora or whether it’s his comeuppance remains to be seen.
Hook’s a fun character but where would his story go past season 2? I’d rather he went out with a bang than a whimper.
Yes, I’d rather he go out with a bang than a whimper too.
I also agree that he’s a fun character, but I think once he achieves his goal of revenge which won’t actually be killing Rumple, imo, but more along the lines of revealing to Bae and/or Belle what Rumple did to Milha, I don’t really think there’s much purpose for him anymore. He could be redeemed, but I agree that not every villain needs to be redeemed because I do think it becomes ridiculous after awhile that viewers just can’t enjoy villains being villains sometimes. It makes sense in the long run to want to redeem Rumple and Regina since they’re long term characters, but for villains like King George, Cora, and I think Hook, you can make them sympathetic at times certainly, but they don’t all deserve a redemption story line.
Also, from a financial point of view and writing/producing point of view, it makes sense, imo, to demote Hook back to recurring status once his story line is over this year, because they need to save time and money for whomever the villain(s) might be next season. There’s also a strong possibility that if Neal is Bae or if Bae is just Bae and comes to Storybrooke alive and kicking that they’ll make that actor a regular because so much has revolved around him. Unfortunately for Hook, he’s expendable once his revenge plot is over, imo, because Cora will likely be killed or at least vanquished in someway which means he has no allies there. He certainly won’t have an ally in Rumple and probably not with Belle. He could possibly save Emma’s life to help redeem himself, but other than being friends, now that he’s taken out Aurora’s heart and most likely going after innocent Belle, I don’t really think there’s a strong connection there in order to have him stay a regular next season unless they do give him a full blown redemption story next season. It’s possible, but I think they’re just going to do that with Rumple and Regina because the cast is already bloated enough that with more new character inevitable being added, there’s just not enough time for everyone as it is without adding having to redeem every villain.
That’s why I do think he’ll likely die by the end of this season or at least disappear somewhere else like maybe back to what’s left of FTL, back to Neverland or whatever might be left, or even escape to our world since I’m guessing his memories wouldn’t be hurt by crossing the border. If they kill him off, he can go out with a bang, and they can bring him back like they do the Sheriff who must not be named. If they have him leave Storybrooke for someplace else, they could probably bring him back more often if they chose to, and possibly have his new life lead into some type of story line for next year like if we saw him running into Peter Pan or Wendy Darling and one of those characters made his/her way to Storybrooke after encountering Hook.
Interesting idea, but I don’t think they would have been able to control her as a puppet like we saw Cora do at the end of the episode. Plus, as I mentioned in another thread, this is giving me deja vu to the whole “did August take the money” debates that went on after “Tallahassee”.
Just because we didn’t see it, doesn’t mean it did happen, but it could also mean that it did happen even if we didn’t see it.
@EvilQueen wrote:
well… we know for sure that Hook indeed presented Cora with a heart “Impressive. You took a heart”. Yes, they are remaining vague as of to whom this heart belongs to but I don’t think he didn’t use magic at all. I believe he lived and learned long enough to be able to handle that skill and be “equals” with Rumplestiltskin.
I get the feeling that this is going to be the next August didn’t really take the money because we didn’t see him do it versus he really did take the money even if they didn’t show it type of argument since I’ve seen this argument pop up at all the other forums that I visit.
I’m firmly in the camp that believes Hook took it otherwise while Aurora was asleep otherwise Cora wouldn’t been able to make Aurora her puppet by talking into Aurora’s heart if it wasn’t in fact Aurora’s heart that she had.
Someone in the chat suggested that perhaps taking people’s hearts is just something that anyone in FTL could do just like it seems they could all do magic if they wanted, but they choose not to.
That could be possible, but I tend to agree think that Hook knows how to do Rumple’s trick plus a whole lot of other magical stuff and whatnot because he wants to be able to kill Rumple. Even if he knows about the Dagger, but was still as powerless as he was against Rumple in “The Crocodile”, I don’t think it would be very dramatic to see Rumple and Hook go against each other because Rumple could just tear out Hook’s heart and crush it or turn him into a snail and stomp on him. However, now that we’ve seen Hook able to hold his own against Cora, it definitely makes his upcoming battle with Rumple a lot more fair and dramatic.
@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
You know, for some reason, I kind of ship Hook with Regina. They’re both sympathetic villains, and they look surprisingly good together. But I’m not going to lie, part of my opinion is formed around my love for Neal and Emma. I hope they’re true love. 😀
Man, they did look together in the promo for episode 9. For me, one of the reasons I loved Into the Deep so much was that the villains, Cora and Hook, were actually being villainous, and there was the return of the bantering between the villains that are trying to redeem themselves and also bantering between the villains that are just villains right now. I’ve missed that so much since the actors always seem to shine when they work together, so I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Regina and Hook have a lot of scenes together if it meant more villain time especially villainous banter.
Further, until this episode, Regina had become sort of a bore, imo, and I wasn’t finding Hook interesting at all aside from The Crocodile, so if they brought out the bad sides with each other but eventually also had to work on bringing out the good sides in each other if they keep redeeming most of the villains, I wouldn’t mind Regina/Hook at all. They’ve both been in parallel situations like they both were forced to watch their true love’s heart be ripped out in front of them which caused them to want revenge no matter what the consequences. In fact, they’re both willing to manipulate the innocent as long as they both get what they want in the end. Hook doesn’t seem to be all that fond of Cora, and we know that Regina has issues with Cora too. They both have issues with Rumple too, so they would always make him squirm which isn’t necessarily a bad thing since most of the time he’s the one making everyone else feel uneasy.
While I don’t expect either to find love necessarily; although, maybe if they keep Hook as a character until the end of the series, they both admit that they each other, but it would be nice for Regina to work with someone that would be her equal partner in crime and not someone that was her lapdog like Sydney and not someone she would screw over like Jefferson.
weeeelllllll, in the lights of the last episode, I dare say there should be ‘Cora’ in the poll as well
Definitely. I think they had fling, and that perhaps it might not be over completely not because Hook loves her, but because I think he’s really going to keep proving that his loyalties lie with Cora.
@WeWereCursed! wrote:
Regina and Rumple believe that Charming has failed in reaching Snow, meaning that Cora must be coming. They just want to kill HER before she gets through, while Henry, of course, hasn’t given up hope, hence the yelling. Plus if they do go ahead with the imposter thing, that could be what is happening there. If they do that, seems to me that they’ll figure out the truth right quick when Snow can’t wake Charming!
True. There’s definitely some holes right now; although I think that they can be got around depending on how they do an impostor story line if they do it. In order to keep Cora hidden in Storybrooke since I do believe that she and Hook either arrive before Emma and Snow or at the same time only perhaps in a different location while everyone else is focused on Emma’s and Snow’s arrival, and not have to use Barbara Hershey that much since she’s not a regular unfortunately, the impostor theory seems like a good way to go get around having her seem like a really big threat yet not have to use the actress all the time until they’re ready for the battles between Hook/Cora and everyone else to happen. If she’s pretending to be someone else, then she can gain intelligence on her enemies while at the same time manipulating them. If she she’s just hiding out as a rat or some kind of creature or hiding in the woods, I don’t think she could inflict as much damage over the long run in Storybrooke.
I like that imposter idea. That it is really Cora we see disguised as Regina.
That is also food for thought too what someone mentioned earlier, about the Emma and the Snow we see in pictures coming back to Storybrook is actually Hook and Cora..
So when they come up through the well and Henry sees his mother and Snow and yells “Your killing them!!” THAT is really Hook and Cora coming up through the well…Welcome aboard. A lot of people have already theorized that the scene in the promo between Regina and Hook may actually be Cora and Hook. Regina does seem to have a lot of the same mannerisms and is dressed in a similar way as her mom. It may just be to show how alike they became, but maybe it really isn’t Regina.
We do know that Archie will be in trouble in episode 10, and that seems like such a Cora thing to do going after Archie, the only person that Regina can go to open up to right now, to get back at her daughter. I don’t know if she’ll pretend to be Regina or perhaps someone else in that episode, but if she wanted to inflict the most damage to Regina, she pretends to be her to get rid of Archie in someway making sure that she’s seen as Regina that way the whole town goes against her again especially Henry. He’s probably already going to be a little bit mad that she apparently curses Emma the moment Emma arrives back into town, but if he thinks she killed Archie or played some part in hurting him, since I don’t know if they’ll actually kill off Archie, they’re relationship is going to be even worse than before. Sure Regina has been good so far about not using magic, but if she’s in a worse spot before with Henry knowing that she’s really innocent, and getting to see Henry with the Charmings, is just going to send her over the edge again.
ETA: Sorry I missed your post Hannah, I wasn’t sure if it was on here or somewhere else where I read that. I agree though that it seems more like Cora as Regina than Regina in the promo.
