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@EvilQueen wrote:
OMG, so many thoughts on the episode! It was awesome 🙂
Yes, it was nice to see Emma, Snow, and Regina all in the same episode again even if they didn’t interact, and have only two story lines going on. While I get what they were doing, I don’t think three storylines ever worked that well within the show because it was so hard to make them all connect to each other. It was also nice to see the show moving along to where it’s building to for the season. While I loved “Tallahassee”, aside from that episode and the first two, there’s been entirely way too much filler too early in the season, imo.
– Hook and Cora – the whole time I was just thinking “are they flirting or is it just a banter?” and then… Hook came SO CLOSE to her face! She obviously noticed it commenting “your pretty face buys you a lot”. IT’S FLIRTING! Maybe there wasn’t a romance as such but now I strongly believe they must have had a fling or something! This just calls for a shout out on their story, how did Cora find Hook and how did they come to work together? Neverland? Maybe Cora took a body of a girl that Hook slept with to get to him? 😈
And when they were in the cave, more sexual tension!Yes, I agree that they definitely had a fling before, but hey Barbara Hershey still looks good for her age, and I could see Cora being seductive with her badass villain self. So I don’t think Cora would have needed to disguise herself as someone else in order to sleep with Hook. He does seem to have a thing for older ladies, well technically he’s older than Cora, but beauty wise because of Milha being older than him and now Cora.
– [skipping the awkward part of zombie chase]
I’m just glad that they didn’t drag that part out; although, in a way I was disappointed like all the hype about who Dr. Whale was and how Hook was going to be even worse than Rumple when he was first introduced, because I was like “that’s it?”, the way they hyped it, I expected more. They really need a new promo department because they keep getting it wrong.
– NOW THIS IS WHAT’S BUGGING ME: WHAT ARE REGINA AND RUMPLE TALKING ABOUT????? They thought she was dead? Regina saw her body? Rumple FOUGHT with Cora? When did that all happen???? Rumple says “I can handle Cora” and Regina comes back with “That’s now how she tells the story” WHOOOOOOOOT??? 😮 What is going on, we need to know! And then he adds that he won in the end… ???
I can’t wait to see the answers to these questions hopefully in next week’s episode at least some of them will be answered.
– Regina is right though, Rumple obviously has a weakness now (and so does Regina) so they are both in trouble… Which brings me to the thought about how Belle reacted to Regina – or, in fact, how she didn’t react at all, it was like she was just another stranger and not the person who locked her away for 28 years or even back in FTL – I reckon there is yet another story they aren’t telling us!
I can’t be the only Bae is Henry’s father believer to “woo!” at this. Yes, Rumple has Belle now as a weakness, but wait until he finds out that Henry is going to be his weakness like he is Regina’s. He’s even already all grandfatherly towards him especially in this episode which just turned me into a pile of goo, but that revelation about Bae being Henry’s father is just going to kill him. Hell, if I were Hook, if I found out about Bae being Neal, I’d just sit back and watch what happens when Rumple finds out and get my revenge that way well at least after I tell Neal that Rumple killed Milha.
– Mulan is in love with Aurora! 😆 they obviously care for each other and she pretends she’s so honorable granting Philip’s wish but hey, she STOLE the compass from Emma and run away, this is not honorable, this is what teenagers in love do 😛 And she was all in tears when they took Aurora too…
lol, I think so too! Although it doesn’t have to be a romantic love just a platonic love, but I definitely think it goes beyond just wanting to honor Phillip’s wish, not that she’s not honorable. So while I understand that some fans are a little annoyed with her after this episode, I don’t blame her for wanting to save Aurora’s life. Sure Cora may have ended up double crossing her, but she didn’t owe Emma and Snow anything. Plus, Snow was actually going to kill her or at least seriously hurt her over the compass, so Snow wasn’t exactly in the right in the situation either.
– I had this big “aaaaaaaaaaw” throughout all the scenes of Regina and Henry! His blanket and everything, she cares for him SO MUCH.
Yes, the Balfour (Baelfire) tartan bedspread!!!
– How did they know where Cora was anyway? And Aurora is a mole now. Does she know that? Hell, does she even know she doesn’t have a heart? She surely noticed if she stopped thinking of Philip?
I think Mulan rightly figured that she was still at the camp because that was Cora’s base when she was acting as Lancelot. Aurora is definitely unaware so far otherwise she would have been freaking out, but hopefully she or the others notice that something is off right away like with Cora pretending to be Lancelot. However, since we’ve never seen a heart be able to be put back into a person, and because of Aurora and Mulan not being seen around Storybrooke, I fear for both of them. Either they’re going to drag out the present day FTL story line somehow so that Aurora and Mulan can also come to Storybrooke so that Aurora can get her heart back since Cora is there or maybe they’re going to kill off Aurora and have her reunite with Phillip that way.
[adrotate group="5"]I actually think that Hook does know about the Dagger because of his tattoo. I agree though that once he learns of Belle, he will change his plans and target her because that would make Rumple suffer more.
@Elle wrote:
Yeah, and he used Princess Aurora, took her heart and gave it to Cora, who is a cold-hearted woman, willing to kill anyone in her way. He is not loyal to anyone but himself. He only cares for his revenge against Rumpelstiltskin–which is fine, but look at the extremes he is willing to go through. Reminds me almost of Regina–they are both truly different, of course. But Regina went to many extremes for her revenge, just as Captain Hook is doing now.
Ooh, just repasting this because I realized he’s a lot like Rumple too now. Of course, Rumple wants to be reunited at Bae at all costs so I do see that as being a more noble cause than revenge, but he destroyed a lot of innocent lives in the process of doing so.
Hook removed Aurora’s heart in order to manipulate her and ultimately get what he’s been waiting for, for hundreds of years. Rumple has acted in a similar manner with Regina and perhaps Cora too, in that he had Jefferson and Dr. Whale manipulate her into thinking that Daniel could be brought back knowing that it was never going to happen and thereby ripping Regina’s heart out figuratively again, to better assure that Regina would turn to the Dark Side so that eventually she would get to the point where she would enact the Curse, so that Rumple would get what he wanted in the end.
@Phee wrote:
Henry and Aurora communicating in the burning room would certainly be a surefire (pun!) way for the SBers to find out if “Snow and Emma” are imposters. They’d have to be asleep at the same time to meet up and discuss that though, which could still buy the imposters a day or so in town before being outed.
While I don’t really know about this theory anymore, I think the writers definitely found a way past this obstacle now. Snow can’t go back there because there’s no more flowers that we know of yet. Aurora may not be able too either because Hook and Cora are now controlling her.
@sacrlc wrote:
I’m leaning towards the “imposter” theory, but I don’t think it’s Cora and Hook.
Cora can shapeshift, Hook cannot.
Cora knows Henry’s name and his relationship to Emma
Cora saw Emma and Snow’s tearful reunion and daughter and mother, so she understands their relationship enough to be believable as Emma.
Ergo – Cora shapeshifted into Emma, Snow doesn’t know it’s not Emma. Snow and “fake” Emma got back to SB with Charming’s help.
Emma is still in FTL with Hook, both knowing the truth and trying to figure out how to get to SB.
Except for the last part, this makes more sense given the pictures we’ve seen of Hook in Storybrooke unless those are taken out of context somehow, and he’s not really appearing as Hook in those scenes or something like that.
I think that since Cora hasn’t been spotted that much, and Barbara Hershey seems to be more limited as to when they can get her to film that she’ll do the shape shifting and occasionally show herself to Hook in Storybrooke so that the audience is reminded that it’s still Cora acting as _____. I don’t know who she’ll shape shift as though. Snow makes sense given the style of her clothing, but for a possible Neal storyline, Emma makes more sense for Cora to disguise herself as.
Of course, at this point, I don’t even know if the reunion pictures are real or if Charming is still under his Curse, and maybe that’s one of the things that he dreams about. Or it could be real, but Hook and Cora are both impostors, and Hook is more bold about showing his true self in the pictures of him around town.
I’m still prepared for this theory to turn out to be wrong and really thought it was going that way with the spoilers that were coming out in the past few weeks, but after tonight’s episode, I’m feeling a bit more confident in it not as highly as before, but I feel like something is definitely up with the happy reunion especially since I would think that Charming won’t be revived until Snow is back in town and kisses him. So if he’s at the reunion right after Emma and Snow land in Storybrooke without doing anything in between it seems fishy. Sure, Henry could possibly awaken Charming, but I think it’s too easy, imo, if that happens in the very next episode and Snow and Emma just happen to return in the same episode too.
@Elle wrote:
Yeah, and he used Princess Aurora, took her heart and gave it to Cora, who is a cold-hearted woman, willing to kill anyone in her way. He is not loyal to anyone but himself. He only cares for his revenge against Rumpelstiltskin–which is fine, but look at the extremes he is willing to go through. Reminds me almost of Regina–they are both truly different, of course. But Regina went to many extremes for her revenge, just as Captain Hook is doing now.
I agree, and actually I’m really happy right now because ever since The Crocodile, this is the first time that I have enjoyed Hook as a character. He was becoming too dull to me with the show wanting him seem like not such a bad guy and too much of a watered down Jack Sparrow despite the writers and actor saying that’s not what they were going for. Finally, he’s doing something interesting.
Favorite: Story-time with Grandpapa Rumple.., Aurora proving there is a lot more to bravery than being skilled with weapons or being the ‘outdoor-type’, and Rumple and Belle having hamburgers at Granny’s…..AND Granny just being snarky and preparing for an all out Regina/Rumple battle in the diner.
Granny continues to be a badass. I think that it should be a law that the writers of OUaT follow that every episode must have Granny or Grumpy in it being a badass and/or snarky.
Loved the Rumbelle moment too. I have to admit that while I’m glad that Belle stepped back from their relationship since I think it was needed in the long run, I didn’t quite like how that episode went. So it’s nice to see Rumbelle have a nice little moment again and remind me why I enjoyed the pairing in the first place. I feel like this season didn’t quite get there with episodes 1 or 4.
Least: Realizing that Hook took Aurora’s heart and then having it confirmed. Just…wow! As morally gray as I expected this character to be, wouldn’t have guessed him capable of pulling out someone’s heart – wonder how conflicting it was, if he thought about Milha..
As I wrote earlier, this was actually one of my favorite parts, but you make an excellent point, that it is suprising given what happened to Milha that he would do the same even to save himself. I like that he’s finally interesting now, imo, and was shown to actually go to any lengths just to avenge Milha. I really didn’t think much of them right after The Crocodile, but Milha/Hook is right up there now in my canon pairings along with SwanFire, Snowing, and Rumbelle.
You go avenge her, Hook! I just hope that he doesn’t hurt Belle in the process of getting his revenge, but I’m all for him telling Bae that Rumple ripped out her heart and killed her.
ETA:
Might be the only one, who liked the scenes between Hook and Cora, particular the one at the beginning. Two cunning minds up to no good but their own good, eye to eye. Those two are in some ways equals, Hook might not know as much magic, but he is as cunning and as arrogant as Cora. Don’t get fooled by sexy eyes and some pirate charm.
I liked their scenes too. I love Hook really being evil instead of him being a bad boy who really isn’t.
@Cherish wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why Rumpel needs to choose between Belle and Baelfire? I’ve read that theory before, and I still don’t understand it. Most people are capable of loving their significant other and their child. So, why does Rumpel need to choose? The show didn’t force Regina to choose between Henry and Daniel, and the show didn’t force Snow to choose between Charming and Emma. So, why does Rumpel need to choose between his true love and his own flesh and blood?
I’m not sure that it will happen, but I guess it’s just one of those ideas that’s floated around so much in fandom like Bae being Henry’s father that I think that it’s possible. True, no one has really had to make that kind of Sophie’s Choice yet, but I’ve seen some viewers upset that both Belle and Bae are still alive whereas every other major character has had to deal with losing a loved one. So I think that the possibility exists that a villain would make Rumple decide whose life to save based on the fact that the sadistic choice is a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralDilemma
Usually it’s the hero who has to decide like Batman in The Dark Knight, so perhaps Emma will be faced with a sadistic choice in her future. However, I think Rumple fits better because as far as we’ve been shown so far, he hasn’t lost a loved one yet, except due to his poor decision making.
I don’t understand it either. I’m pretty sure Rumpel is capable of loving both Belle and Bae. So, I highly doubt Rumpel will be willing to choose between them. So, the idea of Rumpel choosing between the two of them… I’m not sure if that makes any sense. I don’t think Rumpel is willing to make that decision, and he shouldn’t have to. Personally, I think Rumpel would find a way to outsmart Hook with magic or something so that he can keep both.
The sadistic choice isn’t about Rumple being capable of loving both Belle and Bae because I’m confident that he does, it’s about a villain making him suffer in a worst case scenario because no matter who he chooses, he’ll always have guilt and shame that he couldn’t save both of them and that they shouldn’t have been in that type of situation because of him.
I agree though that I think that if it did come down to a sadistic choice most likely both Bae and Belle would end up being saved somehow, but Rumple would still have to live with some degree of guilt and shame over the fact that his loved ones getting into that type of situation because of him and perhaps having to face whoever he didn’t pick assuming that some form of rescue comes after he’s already made his decision. Or maybe this is where the sacrifice that many people including myself think will happen with Rumple, and he’ll sacrifice his own life rather than have to choose between Bae and Belle.
I don’t personally think that Bae will enter this…It seems that if Hook went after a loved one, it would be Belle. Its too perfect.
True, this is one of the main reasons why I think Belle will end up being who Hook targets to go after Rumple. Plus, I think it’s too early to have Rumple be forced into making a sadistic choice.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I don’t actually think that August works for the good side. We don’t really know why but he ruined young Emma’s life and when he came back to SB to convince her FTL was real, it was only because he was changing back into wood so again, just being selfish. I’m sure at some point he’s had good intentions but I think they are long gone, we’ve seen how bad he is with this world’s temptations! The writers sort of hold this image of ‘Emma’s guardian angel’ and that he must have had good reasons to do what he did, since we remember him being actually the good guy in season 1 but I truly believe they are just toying with us and he must be on orders of some evil sorcerer.
I know that K&H have said that she’s not evil, but I still think that the Blue Fairy has had her hand in everything from the beginning for whatever reason that the audience does not know about. I don’t know what that reason is yet, but after Tallahassee, I changed my mind from believing that she didn’t have her memories and that August must have been working with Bae, to believing that it was indeed the Blue Fairy, August was working with. Otherwise, August wouldn’t have known about Rumple’s Dagger, about Rumple’s son Bae, or know about Henry’s book to put his own story into it. He most likely wouldn’t have had the box and whatever was in it either.
of course Emma wouldn’t have become the person she is now. But would she have to face all the problems she does now? No, because Regina would take NO NOTICE of her so Emma wouldn’t have to be as strong as is now.
It feels silly that the one and only solution is to leave her and let her sit in the prison – he’s not only lost her but also made her hate him, is this really that much better than losing her later on while he tries to get her to SB? It wouldn’t have to be a forced arrival there anyway, they could randomly go for holidays to SB, I’m sure Neal would find good excuses for that and for staying a bit longer. And well, if Regina threatened Emma THEN, I’m sure she would be strong enough to defend herself because she would at least be a mother fighting for her child (I’m assuming that if Neal had stayed, they would’ve kept the baby) and that’s one hell of a power!Neal running away and putting her in prison had made the situation worse, I think, because it made Emma lose all the hope and trust she had left for the people and that made it so much harder for her to believe what later Henry and August had to say!
Yes, I think it’s definitely poetic justice for August for his part in making Emma into the person that she is now that is weary of trusting and believing people that she wasn’t able to ever believe that he was telling the truth about her destiny. If he had just left things alone instead of interfering, Emma would still have been brought to Storybrooke somehow because it was meant to be like no matter how hard Oedipus avoided trying to sleep with his mother or killing his father, but instead of being a cynical, world weary Emma, she’d more likely be in a position where she had Neal and Henry who could help her believe and accept her destiny much sooner and probably restored everyone’s memories a lot sooner, imo, and August wouldn’t have turned back into a puppet.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I actually think that Hook DOES know about the dagger. He said himself, he won’t stop until he finds a way to kill Rumplestiltskin and he was looking for the answer in Neverland.
Because he’s not in Neverland any more and, in fact, he can’t wait to get to SB and meet Rumple again, it makes me think he already knows how to kill Rumplestiltskin and of all the ways WE know, you could do this with the dagger and the dagger only.I think he knows about the Dagger too; hence, the tattoo that he now has on his arm.
And in regards to the dagger, I have a feeling Cora told Hook about the dagger. Cora was one of Rumpel’s pupils, so I wouldn’t be surprised if she somehow gained knowledge of its existence.
This is my head canon for too now. It would make sense since Cora is the Miller’s daughter in the original Rumpelstiltskin story that the way she bested him was finding out about the Dagger since apparently learning his real name doesn’t really have any control of him that we know of right now. So besides wanting revenge on Cora and wanting to turn Regina into the person that would enact the Curse, I could see him wanting Cora out of the way because she was one of the few that knew about where he got his powers from.
So my theory is Hook knows about it and will stick around SB trying to find it and, while on his search, he will stumble upon Belle and will realise that a much better opportunity has just arrived. Not that he will kill her – I think he wouldn’t do it, out of the shear respect for his Milha but he might find a way to separate the two…
I don’t know if he knows about Belle or not. It seems unlikely but Jefferson knew about Belle and Rumpel too, so it’s possible that Hook found out somehow too. Either way, I do think he will kill her if he thought it would hurt Rumpel, but I don’t think he’ll do so right away. He’ll try to make Rumpel suffer as much as possible, and then eventually kill Belle and watch Rumpel witness it.
I said this in another topic, but what if Hook orders Rumpel (with his dagger) to kill Belle himself? I’m not saying he would do it, though that would be craaazy epic…but its a cool idea. It would be cool if he like broke his curse with his true love for belle before he killed her.
I could definitely see this happening. I don’t believe it will work because I believe that Belle will get a happy ending by the end of the series, but I think this idea would be one that would cause the most amount of pain to Rumpel. Either this plan or something perhaps involving Bae, that is if Hook finds Bae before Rumpel does, and making Rumpel have to choose between Belle and Bae or having Bae be the one that gets his heart torn out by Rumpel. I’m thinking that Hook targeting Belle is more fitting though because Belle is Rumpel’s true love like Milha’s was Hook’s. Plus, it could go either way how Hook feels about Bae. He might hate him because his father is Rumpel, but it’s also possible that he loved Milha enough that he wouldn’t want to harm Bae directly.
More importantly if Neal is Bae, I think he has enough problems to deal with before they use the Rumpel has to choose between Belle and Bae card. I’m sure it will come eventually, but I think it’s too soon to use it since it feels more like a last season going out with a bang type of idea.
@Phee wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
The title “The Cricket Game” makes me think either someone evil is playing games by using Archie or that Archie has gone rogue and is playing mind games since he’s a shrink.
They did hint a while back that someone we thought was trustworthy might surprise us, didn’t they? If you can’t trust the conscience, who can you trust? If he does get himself in the middle of some scheme where he’s manipulating people’s minds, I’d guess that he starts out with good intentions, to try and make people see things from an alternate point of view, and it goes wrong.
Interesting points, slurpeez and Phee. While I think he’s grown as the role of the conscience this year by stepping in to help out Regina and demanding that Dr. Whale leave his office immediately, he still did some shady things last year that I’m not sure he’s atoned for. He was willing to let Geppetto send out baby Emma without both of her parents just because Geppetto brought up the fact that Jiminy helped kill Geppetto’s parents and helped make Henry look crazy in Emma’s eyes, but later on in the season thought it was okay for Henry to be left in Regina’s care.
So I could definitely see him starting out with good intentions doing something but having it backfire on him. I couldn’t really seeing him go rogue, at least at this point, but I could definitely see him starting something that someone comes along and tries to take advantage of, most likely Cora.
I didn’t watch the sneak peeks for Into the Deep, but I read that apparently Cora does something to Aurora while she’s under, so if that turns out to be true, maybe Archie hypnotizes Regina, and Cora attacks Regina while she’s under hypnosis.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Once Upon a Fan is reporting a new casting call:
The guest role of Helena is being cast. She’s a 30-year-old brunette who is a sophisticated lady and also a fierce hunter of deadly creatures.
Helena is a Greek name originally, which makes me wonder if this is a hint towards Greek mythology.
Hee, hee since Helena is described as a brunette and in her 30s, I must make my obligatory “it’s Bae” post. Rumple is sure going to be surprised when he runs into Bae again.
Seriously though Helena does bring to mind Greek mythology specifically an Amazon or Artemis. I don’t really know if Helena will actually is a code name or not because she could end up like Quinn or Anita.
Here’s a neat link to women warriors in folklore while we wait for more information about episode 13, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_warriors_in_folklore.
If she’s in Storybrooke, I wonder if she’s going to be hired by Cora and/or Hook to go after Ruby possibly. Or if Gerhardt is going to be in episode 12, maybe he’s still on the loose as a monster in this episode, and Helena pops up as someone who helps bring him down.
ETA: Looks like An Empty Heart and I had the same idea about Helena possibly being Artemis. Jinx! 😀
