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@Naomi wrote:
From the “Tallahassee” OUAT Official Podcast:
“We only caught a glimpse of his [Neal’s] life in New York. What’s going on with him there, what he’s doing and what’s happening…is all stuff that remains to be revealed, and that is all something we intend to reveal sooner rather than later.”
“He could be a bond trader.”
“Could be…a left fielder for the Yankees.”
“Could be a conman-”
“Could be a model.” – K&H
I find it interesting that the writers spent that much time emphasizing Neal’s activities in NYC. But how could Neal’s profession be so interesting to the overarching story? This makes me think of two possibilities.
First, I doubt it would be some boring old honest job, like accountant or car salesman. Why bring it up otherwise?
Instead, I’m thinking Neal might have gotten involved in something shady. Maybe something that would darken his character and complicate any possibility of him easily reuniting Emma and Henry. (Personally, I really hate this idea, but it could delay Henry/Emma’s Happily Ever After and perhaps allow a romantic development between Emma and some other suitor if Neal doesn’t “get his act together.” Yup, like I said, I hope this isn’t it. It seems like every character and their dog are on some sort of redemption arc these days.)
Yes, I don’t like the idea because I want Bae to have turned his life around, but since he’s Bae, I bet he got into more trouble unfortunately, and they’ll rip my heart out again by keeping Emma and Bae separated that way.
His casting call described him as ‘For Once Upon a Time, the role of Jack is being cast (as a “guest role with option”). He’s in his 20s or 30s, charismatic, sexy and mysterious, but also loyal and kind, and he’s running from his past in a land full of danger.
This was the casting call for “Jack”, which I think was the codeword for Neal/Bae. It could apply to him running away from his past as a thief, and maybe he’s cleaned up his act since then. Or it could mean that he got into worse trouble later on, and is running from it now. I hope it’s the former, but yes, since he’s Bae and all, I’m bracing myself for it to be the latter.
The second possibility I’m thinking is that maybe he’s the book’s author? Now, I don’t know how Neal would have learned the real stories (since we know August took off after he got the money, and we don’t know how much they discussed in that alley), but since the writers haven’t outright told us who the author is, I’m thinking this might be possible.
I thought Bae might turn out to be the author of Henry’s book before tonight’s episode, but now I think it must have been the Blue Fairy because I don’t think August would have known about it otherwise unless she knew about it because of her spying on Bae over the years too. I would really love for him to be the author though because of Henry’s connection with it.
Another thought that’s not sitting right with me: I admit that August seems to be involved a lot more than we saw in Season 1, but it looks to me that August was out of the picture by the time Emma receives the envelope from Phuket. So – who arranged Henry’s adoption? Did August fly back (three weeks after Henry’s birth) to bring him to Gold? Was he working from afar? Or maybe Neal didn’t quite “stay away” like he promised and he was the one to orchestrate all of this? 😕
Thoughts?
It’s possible that August helped because the Blue Fairy may have instructed him too, but I can’t ever see Bae doing something like that.
[adrotate group="5"]@WeWereCursed! wrote:
Yeah that’s one thing that seriously drives me crazy, what was in the box?? I don’t think August could possibly have known that he was Bae, if he is, but he seemed to know that Neal would believe him.
Another little thing that remember from season 1 is that when Emma was lying to Henry about who his dad was she said that he was a fireman who died in a fire. Fire? Baelfire? (cue rimshot, lol)Does anyone know the exact line last night about being caught in the crossfire? I’m not ready to do a rewatch yet, but I definitely thought that was another Baelfire hint just like the fireman, the fire escape being featured so heavily in Neal’s first appearance, and the tip of Henry’s arrow being on fire in the People magazine spread.
I also thought that Bae might be connected to the nightmares Aurora and Henry are having because of the part about the room with flames, and Neal wanted the dream catcher. I’m not sure though because I don’t think every reference to fire or flames is connected with Baelfire, and I think Neal’s nightmare was about his father not that he was ever under any sleeping curse.
@Elle wrote:
Captain Hook was a lot fun, though I really don’t buy into him actually caring for Emma. He seems to really love Milah–the tattoo of her, his reluctance to speak of her, and the dark, angry look on his face everytime she is brought up shows how committed he is to avenging her.+
Yes, I really loved getting to see more of his emotions for Milah. I didn’t buy that they were quite true love in The Crocodile, but now I do. (I think I love/like every canon couple on the show, which is so rare for me.)
Also, I never thought about it until the recapper at Television Without Pity brought it up, but Hook must have been planning to double cross Team Princess all along because he had both bracelets that Cora enchanted for two people to climb up the beanstalk. One was suppose to be for Hook and the other for Cora supposedly, but in actuality Cora and Hook were setting up Team Princess.Oh, and I also remembered that I loved finding out who Jack really was and what happened to him, so at least that’s one FTL, that Bae/Neal is not.
CORA ATTEMPTS TO STEAL THE COMPASS TO LOCATE THE ENTRANCE TO STORYBROOKE, AND REGINA AND MR. GOLD MUST PUT DAVID’S LIFE IN JEOPARDY SO THAT HE CAN CONTACT MARY MARGARET ACROSS THE LANDS TO GIVE HER SOME VITAL INFORMATION, ON ABC’S “ONCE UPON A TIME”
“Into the Deep” – Cora does everything in her power to steal the compass away from Mary Margaret and Emma in her quest to find the entrance to Storybrooke. Meanwhile, in order to protect Henry from further danger, Regina and Mr. Gold must put David’s life in jeopardy in an attempt to put him in contact with Mary Margaret across the lands to give her vital information that could help her and Emma return through the portal back to Storybrooke, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 25 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Meghan Ory as Red Riding Hood/Ruby, and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.
Guest starring are Barbara Hershey as Cora, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Sarah Bolger as Aurora and Jamie Chung as Mulan.
”Into the Deep” was written by Kalinda Vazquez & Daniel T. Thomsen and directed by Ron Underwood.
Aw, I was hoping MRJ would pop up in this episode. I really hope he’s in episode 9. I don’t think I can take the winter break without seeing him again.
@Faux Pax wrote:
The sad part about it all is that everything comes back to Bae being the magic world’s whipping boy. Think about it. Rumple went darkside to keep Bae from fighting in a war that he was willing to fight in (he wouldn’t have liked it, but he didn’t really want to run from it). The dark one terrifies Bae so much that he has to run away (see his note from untold stories and possibly Neal’s quick response to when Emma explains dream catchers), but Rumple is too scared to come with him. Now Rumple has devised this curse to get back to Bae, and in turn winds up screwing up his son’s life AGAIN with magic.
It kind of reminds me of when Regina was asking for Gold’s help to save Henry in the Finale:
G: “all magic comes with a price”
R: “Henry shouldn’t have to pay it”
G: “No, you should, but alas we are where we are”It’s the same thing, but Bae has always been the one to pay for Rumple’s magic. It’s another thing that’s going to make their reunion so juicy. I really hope that Bae doesn’t reveal himself until after he finds out more of the ugly things Rumple/gold has done like risking Henry to bring back Magic (I kind of want the revelation about what happened to Millah to happen AFTER the reunion–it would bump whatever relationship they have been able to build back down into the negative numbers.
Wonderful post, FauxPas. I had thought about Bae’s almost cursed life being the price that Rumple’s magic has cost, but I totally forgot about what Rumple said to Regina in the finale. Just love how the writers are able to connect grandfather, father, and son there, and I am really looking forward to seeing Rumple be on the other end of that realization when he learns about what happened to Bae.
I swear every time I think I’m getting my emotions in check again after last night, then I think of something or read something else, that has me a wreck again. (I know Bae, Emma, and Henry will have a happy ending, but it’s going to be so hard to wait for that.)
Like this post for instance, I knew magic made a mess out of Bae’s life before, but he just can’t catch a break even later on in life. Then, there was the keepsakes that both Emma and Bae kept of each other. Then, the keepsakes made me sad because I knew then Emma spent two years in Tallahassee not because she enjoyed it but because she was hoping Neal would turn up. The dream catcher made me think of Bae’s apartment, and how he had those posters above his bed of the West, and I was like, “aw, he did that because that was the time he was happiest life and still thinks of Emma all the time.” Then, someone pointed out the keychain near Bae in the convenience store that said Henry on it. Then, I was thinking about how I wanted to see Emma and Bae be the ones to comfort Henry when he has nightmares. Then, I was thinking about if Bae comes to Storybrooke soon, it will have been 11 months that Emma spent in jail, and that it’s been 11 years since the last time Bae saw Emma. (I think the math is right on that.)
I knew this episode was going to kill me, but I really didn’t expect it to be so bad. (I just hope they don’t mess around with SwanThief/SwanFire like they did Snowing. Emma and Bae have enough other problems, imo, that I don’t think they have to try to find ways to separate them and bring them back together every season.)
As for Blue, I really hope she is just reacting with skill to what life is handing her rather then actively manipulating things. I mean, splitting them up and later finding out about Henry (and then adjusting her plan accordingly) was one thing, but if she somehow wrote it into the spell or something like that…well that’s crossing a line i’m not sure i’m comfortable with.
Speaking of lines i’m not comfortable with, I hope they explain why Bae and Emma are OTLs and it better not have anything to do with BF or Rumple’s design (or Bae DNA getting on the curse parchment–as some have speculated). To me that just cheapens their relationship–makes it manufactured and inorganic–and they are just too cute together for that.
Yes, I’m not really sure how far they’ll go with the Blue Fairy, but someone at Fan Forums pointed out that it seems like the Charmings are cursed too. So I wonder if that’s tied to true love that Snow and Charming have and that Bae and Emma have, and the Blue Fairy needing to test them to make sure she found the right couple or perhaps right child in order to do something. Like I’ve wrote elsewhere, I think Emma is the heroine, but there has to be something important about Henry too since he’s the child of both Bae and Emma.
Well I think that their love is definitely real and not manipulated because no magic can create that, but I could see the Blue Fairy working behind the scenes to manipulate them in place. I don’t think she knew it would be true love between them, but maybe she needed them to meet for something to happen like there’s a prophecy or something. Mmm, well that might be too far fetched because they haven’t talked about one at all, but for whatever agenda is, they’re a part of it. Of course, they probably won’t go into why they fell in love because I think they showed last night that it was organic and not because of other forces trying to push them together even if they it turns out that someone was working behind the scenes.
I’ve been thinking about Emma, Henry, true love, the Charmings, and Henry’s father and it kept circling in my head. The theme of the show is that true love is the most powerful magic in the world. It got me thinking in OUaT that true love begets true love. I’ll explain…
Snow’s father loved her mother deeply. We’ve even seen him talk about it in front of Regina. So Snow is a product of true love. Then there is Charming. His mother tells of how she dearly loved his father and that true love will follow the ring she gave him, just like it did for her. Next in line is Emma, who we know is the product of Snow’s and Charming’s love for each other, and hence why she’s the savior curtesy of Rumple’s curse.
So that leaves Henry. The last in a long line of true love. We know that Emma truly loves Henry, but unlike the others, he’s not the product of true love. He’s the result of some messed up, accidental, dysfunctional relationship. She was a teenager, he wasn’t told she was pregnant, then she got arrested. Not the outcome of true love. So what’s different with Henry? Why did the cycle stop with his conception?
Or will his parents ultimately be each other’s romantic true loves. The show preaches it and shoves it down our throats, so why for the main character does she not have what everyone around her, even Rumple in his wacked out way, has or had? Do you think they’ll eventually bring back Henry’s father, whoever he is, and redeem him in her eyes?
Just bumping this up for, Josephine because I saw she brought it up today at FanForums. (I’m stalking her and MRJ. 😉 )
@Faux Pax wrote:
the parallels between him and the Blue Fairy were very strong in what he did to Emma/Neal and what she did to Grumpy/Nova.
Another point to the idea that BF is the puppet master in this sense. I don’t like that she’s becoming so manipulative, but it’s interesting to see that Rumple isn’t playing chess against himself…
True, while I’m not happy with the Blue Fairy at all right now, it is a lot more interesting if Rumple isn’t the only chess master.
Now that I know that it must have been her that August got the information about Rumple from, which she means she had her memories all along, I’m wondering how far her manipulation has reached and of course why she’s been doing this behind the scenes.
I saw these Jane Espenson tweets on Television Without Pity too,
So I think that The Blue Fairy with August’s help manipulated Emma’s and Bae’s lives so that Emma would give up Henry for adoption that way the Blue Fairy could arrange for Henry to be adopted by Regina. I still believe that Emma is the Savior, but I also think that Henry is an important part of the puzzle not just because he was evidently needed to bring Emma to Storybrooke but something else since all the core characters are connected to him if Neal is Bae.
@Faux Pax wrote:
No. I’m pretty sure he took the money for his own reasons. Rewatch it and pay attention to his face when Neal hands him the money and he’s talking about how Emma won’t need the money. August knows this is another of the “temptations” he won’t be able to resist.
Yes, I’m pretty sure that viewers are suppose to think he took the money because the envelope he sent to Emma in jail came from Phuket which is where August said he had been instead of doing his duty as a protector. He could have went there by some other means, but I think the way he looked at the money plus mention of Phuket is supposed to indicate that he pocketed the money
Also, ABC’s website may not be reliable as a source, but they say that August pocketed the $20,000 too.
http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/blogs/character-tales/neal-cassidy
I can’t wait to see how this plays out when Neal tries to explain himself. August might want dismantle all the woodchippers in storybrooke before Neal shows up…
So true. 😀 And to think I actually wanted a bromance between the two before “Tallahassee”.
@Phee wrote:
Yeah, this promo is pretty average all around.
Anyone else think the body looks like Billy? I’d feared that he was gonna be the victim.
Yes, it’s like The Doctor are all over again. I know many people speculated that it was going to be Billy, but they gave it away again because there’s gifs all over Tumblr and elsewhere of the body that show it’s him.
‘What if Little Red Riding Hood and the Wolf…were one of the same..?” It’s like whoever did the narration didn’t know that there was an episode last season called Red-Handed were it was revealed that Red is the wolf. The music is horrible too.
Yes, it definitely feels like the promo department and the show runners aren’t on the same page. Like how they pumped up Hook to be this big villain in the promos, when it doesn’t really look like he will be at all.
@Phee wrote:
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Seeing this picture made me wonder whether the woman (Anita I think her name is) could be Red’s mother who was supposedly killed by a hunting party.
The Canadian promo seems to prove you right. Nice catch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_eaYgj9c0
Ha, I was just searching in here because I remember someone suggested that, and wanted to congratulate them too.
