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@Lil’Red wrote:
I can’t wait for Michael and Robert to start filming together. They’re both very intense actors – but completely nice/humble guys.
Can you guys imagine the tweets that will pass between them?
Maybe, months from now, Robert could even refer to him as ‘son’ in a tweet…. 😮
Yes, I hope the tweet from Happy to Bae/Neal is an indication that they can tweet MRJ now that they’re revealing at least part of who he is and/or that it’s an indication that maybe he’s working with the characters that are in Storybrooke instead of being isolated from them.
I’m sure most people have already seen this, but this tweet made my day.
MichaelRaymond-James @MRaymondJames
Far from it. Cheers RT @AdagioClockwork: #OUAT ! 🙂 Will this be the only episode you’ll appear sir? I hope not![adrotate group="5"]@Faux Pax wrote:
I’ve noticed on the show that they have never used the phrase “One true love,” in fact they seem to go out of their way to prove that their definition of love is just a pure and unselfish kind of love (like a mother’s love when Henry ate the apple).
Does this open the doors for characters who have lost their true loves (Regina, Hook, Red, ect) to find love again? I hope so. If everyone only has One true love, then i feel like the show is limiting itself in terms of possible relationships.
Yes, it does seem to limit them, but I guess since most of the characters so far come from Fairy Tales, that they can only have one true romantic love. (Technically not canon, but that’s how Lana Parrilla said she was able to focus on hating young Snow in “Stable Boy” because in Regina’s world, everyone only gets one true romantic love.) It doesn’t mean that they can’t romantically love other people again, but it just won’t be true love.
Now that they’re in our world though, it’s possible since magic works differently, that may not be the case here. So I guess the writers could go either way so as not to limit the shipping possibilities. Either they can have Regina, Hook, etc. be able to find love but a different kind of love again, or they can have the characters find love again but find out that they can have multiple true loves here.
I prefer if they kept it to the characters only having one true romantic love though because they’ve built it up to be so rare and powerful, and it fits the world in which most of the characters come from.
@MellieMD wrote:
I think Hook’s true love was Milha… Seeing as he’s dedicated 200+ years to avenging her death.
Yes, even though they didn’t state it on the show, I think that Hook and Milah were each other’s true loves. After all they set up a parallel between the true love of Regina and Daniel with what happened to Hook and Milah with Hook having to watch Milah have her heart ripped out and crushed right before his eyes. Further, Regina makes a vow of revenge against those that she feels are responsible for Daniel’s death, and Hook makes a vow of revenge against the one responsible for Milah’s death. Similarly, it took Regina several years before she could enact her plan and learn enough magic and gain enough power to enact it, and Hook used magic through the bean and joining up with Cora in order to wait a very long time to enact his plan of revenge.
There’s also the parallel of the true love of Rumple and Belle going on with Hook and Milah, but they also contrast Rumple and Belle versus Rumple and Milah. For the former, Milah runs away from her family with someone that most people would consider inappropriate in part because she felt trapped by a marriage, that most likely was arranged and because she wanted to have adventure in her life and see the world. Then, the latter they have Milah being like Belle in that both were escaping loveless matches and wanting to have adventure, but with Milah ripping out Rumple’s heart metaphorically by saying that she never loved him while Belle of course in “Skin Deep” tries to prove that she does love him.
It doesn’t mean that Milah and Hook were each other’s true loves necessarily, but I think we’re meant to even though they haven’t come right out and said so. Perhaps the writers feel it’s unnecessary to come right out and say so since it’s heavily implied, imo, or they’re leaving a little wiggle room because they don’t want to destroy any of Hook’s fan girls’ dreams or in case they want to pair him up later with someone and that pairing becomes really popular, they can say that pairing has true love.
For this poll, I would answer Ariel though just because we don’t know the backstory of Hook, so maybe Killian Jones is his alias so that people don’t know he comes from a royalty and is secretly a Prince or something like that. Or maybe Eric is his middle name, and he goes by that in front of certain people. She’s the only one that really works on the poll, imo, because Aurora and Regina already have a true love, and I think Emma does too in Henry’s father or at least eventually it will be true love between her and Henry’s father.
Ooh, I just loved that .gif when I saw it on Tumblr. I think that’s my favorite picture of him so far because of how cute his smile is.
Speaking from a purely superficial standpoint, staches ain’t my style. All over stubble: yes. Stache: no. Stache + goatee: urgh. (My ex once grew a stache and goatee purely to annoy me, which made me like the look even less). So when MRJ was first cast and I googled him, uh, well. He’s got a KILLER smile though. One of those smiles that makes the eyes crinkle. So as long as he keeps the facial hair under control and smiles now and then, we’re cool.
I’m not sure what he’d look like now, but there’s some pictures of him out there when he’s younger I think without any facial hair. He looks sort of weird to me like something is missing, maybe because he usually has it, so I don’t mind the mustache right now. Although I do sort of want to see him without it again to see if it would still seem weird.
@Naomi wrote:
Well, with that sneak peek I’m glad that the general consensus has shifted from:
“He’s not as hot as ________” to —-> “I think I’m going to like him.”
I suppose that’s what great acting and great writing can do! 😆 Although I had no doubt that MRJ could convert some naysayers with 1 minute of speaking. I think there’s something special about MRJ’s acting that just makes his characters feel less staged and more…genuine. Something like that. I’m not a drama expert, but I sure like having him on my TV!
Yes, I knew that the haters would start to come around when they finally had MRJ speak. (Of course, I love that at least in other places where people aren’t hung on looks, a lot of the consensus from the first episode was that he was the best actor of the four new characters introduced, and he didn’t even say anything. 😀 )
I agree that he does seem like a very talented actor, and I like that he’s on my tv again too. I’m also happy that from what I’ve read and heard about him from others, it seems like he’s very humble and appreciates all of his roles, so I don’t have to worry either about him possibly pulling a Katherine Heigl or David Caruso. (Actually no one on the show so far seems like that, which is nice.)
Now let’s see if I can still love his Once character after he inevitably breaks Emma’s heart on Sunday.
Bring it on, writers!
Yes, I don’t want to hate him or Emma after we find out what happened, but I’m definitely bracing myself for the worst.
Also wanted to add this since this is MRJ’s appreciation thread.
A tweet from Happy to Bae, sort of,
Michael Coleman @1MichaelColeman
@MRaymondJames Adding you to the cast feels like we’re in an all star game. Love your work brother. Welcome aboard! Heigh Ho@Lil’Red wrote:
Something must be going VERY wrong in Storybrooke if Regina (using magic again?) and Rumple are working together to have Charming contact Snow. And Cora and Hook haven’t arrived yet so we can’t blame them! 😆
I do think Rumple may want Emma back so he can use his deal and have her retrieve Bae – but is Regina motivated by Henry…?
Maybe we have another villain in town – whoever killed in ‘Child of the Moon’.
Yes, I wondering why Regina is so eager to help now. Maybe something happens between her and Henry between now and then. Or I like your theory that things are even worse in Storybrooke and Cora and Hook aren’t even there yet. Can you imagine if you’re right about Emma and Snow being impostors and all the good guys having to scramble into the woods into hiding because things look so bleak for the good guys? It could happen. Maybe there’s going to be a Cora/Hook/King George/Anita/Quinn/possibly Barrett axis of evil thing they have going on. I can definitely see King George offering Anita and Quinn protection if they join up on his side against the good guys, and then Cora and Hook joining up with King George later.
The impostor theory doesn’t have to be true for this to work out since it could happen without Emma and Snow being impostors, but it’s getting more likely imo. I just don’t want Regina to be the only person or at least the first person to spot that they’re impostors. I don’t think I can take all the SwanQueen squealing, but mostly I don’t want Regina to be right but have everyone think she’s crazy. I just hope that if they are impostors, she does her spell to make sure that they’re real, Cora expects her to do it, but is able to deflect it, and Regina thinks nothing is up until later on. Or something like that, so she doesn’t suspect anything. Ugh, I just have a terrible feeling though that they’ll probably have Regina be the only one at first to believe that Emma and Snow are fake, just because they’ve been trying to make Regina into one of the good guys this year, which I don’t buy because she still has so much to work through. However, Lana Parrilla did say something awhile ago about working this season with a mysterious fairy tale character that they haven’t publicized at all which I took to be Neal/Bae since he’s the only one that they’ve been really secretive about which would make sense since he would know right away too that something was off if Emma didn’t recognize him. Double ugh, I just hope it’s not true because she didn’t seem too bright of a villain last season especially compared to Rumple.
Of course, I don’t really know much about Anita and Quinn, but I already know I don’t really like him if he’s choking Snow White in one of the spoiler pics from episode 7. I just thought of something else though. Could you imagine Hook as Emma or appearing as a couple with Quinn to convince people that Quinn is an okay guy? I just think it would be incredibly funny if the spoiler about Emma having all these guys try to break down her walls really wasn’t about the real Emma, at least not fully, but about fake Emma, if we’re right about the impostor theory. So Quinn could possibly be one of those guys that tries to break down “Emma’s” walls to fool the good guys into thinking that he’s a good guy too. I could also see Bae trying to woo fake Emma too just because he wants to find out who fake Emma is exactly and expose the impostors.
Have been pondering how this ep description could relate to the ep title. Maybe the “deep” is referencing some sort of hypnosis like state that Charming will have to go under? Something so intense that it could potentially leave him permanently unconscious, like he was for those 28 years he spent in the hospital. Perhaps?
Yes, I think this is a Charming episode definitely not a Hook episode, and it does seem like whatever Rumple and Regina try to do to him to get him to contact Snow is going to be something really bad. I wonder if they’re setting up a parallel between dark!Snow in “Heart of Darkness” to how Rumple and Regina try to put David’s life in danger so that Snowing’s empathy powers can work, which could possibly cause David to turn dark. Or perhaps there’s another risk of him getting amnesia again which would be like Snow in “Heart of Darkness” too, or the risk of being permanently unconscious again, which would mirror Snow willingly taking the bite out of the apple that put her to sleep. Maybe that’s why David won’t be able to tell it’s not really the real Snow right away because his mind could still be messed up by whatever Rumple and Regina do to him. Really hate the idea that Regina might be the first to spot the impostors though, if the impostor theory is true.
@Phee wrote:
Sorry for getting your hopes up. 😆 Here’s the pic I was talking about…
It’s okay if it meant getting to see that picture again. (He was definitely telling the truth on Twitter when he says he’s been working out with a personal trainer by the looks of his arms. Maybe he needs to do a scene that doesn’t require a shirt, so we can see more evidence of this working out. 😀 )
AntBee please say that your a writer of the show, because I love the story you told.
Oh, thank you. It wasn’t actually my theory, but one that Lil’Red brought up. I did add the detail of Emma possibly punching him out being the real reason that she went to jail. Of course, I doubt the writers will care that much about what would actually happen to someone like Emma, but from my experience listening to a bail bondsperson that comes in a lot where I work, who watches the show because he got hooked that the leading character was a bail bondsperson, he’s always talking about now how he would love to switch jobs because he hates seeing all of the same people and how most of the time a lot of them get little to no jail time for some serious offenses. So I’m not sure if Emma would get jail time especially if it was her first offense, but if she punched out a cop that would definitely get her jail time. Of course, maybe it wasn’t her first offense, or maybe whatever happened went beyond just having stolen goods or property, or maybe she really did get the book thrown at her for what some might consider a minor crime.
I also thought of another possible reason why Bae could be a police officer and not a thief because it would be like another parallel/inverse to his father being a lawyer in this land except his father helps defend criminals, okay an innocent one so far, but it mirrors their relationship before Rumple let his son go in a lot of ways too because Bae was on the side of “good” and his father on the side of “evil” even though Rumple did end up helping out the innocent with his evil powers just as he helped out the innocent Mary Margaret. Actually in both case with helping out the children not have to go to war and helping Mary Margaret, it was one of the few times he did so that didn’t benefit him directly. (Well I guess technically he helped Mary Margaret to sock it to Regina, but that’s practically being selfless for Rumple.)
Want in my life: Definitely most of the “good” characters like Emma, Henry, Snow, Charming, Red, Granny, August, Gepetto (although let’s hope if I have any kids they don’t turn out to be a Savior that needs to go to another realm, 😀 ), Baelfire/Henry’s dad (because I don’t think he’s all that bad if he is Henry’s father despite what Emma says), Belle, Grumpy and the other dwarves, Archie, Kathryn, Frederick (Don’t really know him but if Kathryn likes him, I think he’d be okay), Lancelot, Mulan, Aurora, Prince Phillip, Dr. Whale (it’s be fun being hit on by him well at least once I might get tired of it if he kept doing it), Nova
Don’t really care about: Ella, Prince Thomas
Would not want in my life:
Rumple – I love him as a character, but unless my name was Belle or Baelfire, I think he’d view me as expendable if he could use me somehow to get something he needed to find Bae.Then, the usual Regina, Cora, Hook, The Blue Fairy, King George, Jefferson
@Phee wrote:
@TinkerBellReturns wrote:
Hmmm, guys… I know I might be pushing it a little too far, but since I’m obsessed with MRJ being Emma’s one true love, it just occurred to me that Emma’s parents love story started with… well… Snow robbing Charming, and look where it got them.
Perhaps it runs in the family? 😆
That’s a fun little parallel! 😆
Yes, I’m loving all the gifs that people have made on Tumblr showing the parallels from just one scene between Snow/Charming and Emma/Bae, Henry and Bae, and of course Rumple and Bae.
I love how most of the reaction to MRJ has been positive so far. I knew once people saw him in action fully that they’d see he was perfect for the show.
There was a set photo recently where it showed MRJ walking along next to a police bike, and that idea immediately popped into my head. But then I realised it just looked like actual, legit, crowd control coz the street’s shut down for filming cop, and the pic was snapped between takes, so I wrote the idea off. Would be an interesting twist though.
Oh, you don’t know how much you got my hopes up, lol. I just love the twist of Bae being a cop since everyone expects him to be a thief/conman and because MRJ usually does play those characters, I’d like to see him be on the right side of the law for once. Plus, while I could definitely see Bae getting into crime because of what happened in his earlier life, part of me wants to see him still make the brave/noble choices in his life.
With all the theories running around, I love the one that he’s an undercover cop. I could see him being a vice cop. That is so unexpected. We all expected him to be the one who drug Emma into thievery, but what if he was on job and wasn’t able to help her. But I’ve got an open mind.
Yes, I’m fully expecting him to be a thief/conman, but the preview/summary could go either way right now. If he was an undercover cop, it makes sense for him to be on stake-out hiding in the Beetle, and whatever case he was on, he probably thought was a lot more serious than a young woman stealing a car. He just seemed to know a lot about the law in that brief scene too.
Further, he doesn’t want the other police officer to pull them over because he’s afraid of his cover being blown/getting into trouble with his supervisor not because he’s actually afraid of going to jail. So I could see him pretending to be a thief to Emma because he was still working/was afraid to tell her who he really was, and was actually trying to help get her out of her life of crime. Something goes wrong though, and when Emma gets busted, she sees him at the police station, and not only is the twist that he’s a cop, but she ends up punching him because we know how Emma’s temper is, which is the real reason she went to jail not because of the stolen goods. Bae being Bae would probably feel like a real pervert once he found out how old Emma was, and would convince himself that a relationship with her wouldn’t work even if she was of age because she would have just abandoned him like everyone else who he loved ever. 😥
Of course, the name does point to him being a conman/thief, so I’m trying not to get too attached to the theory.
Interesting, I thought he was going to be on one time, but they’re already planning to have him back again.
Jorge Garcia’s first appearance on “Once Upon a Time” as the Giant of “Jack and the Beanstalk” fame probably won’t be his last.
“I got word last week that they’re looking to bring me back in about a month,” Garcia tells Zap2it. “So it looks like there will be at least another one.”
In Sunday’s episode (Nov. 4), Emma (Jennifer Morrison) and Capt. Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) climb the beanstalk in search of a magical compass that may help get Emma back to Storybrooke. The Giant, as you might expect, is less than happy to have visitors — ABC even describes the character as “murderous.” Playing mean was something Garcia, best known as super-nice guy Hurley on “Lost,” has been itching to do.
PICS: ‘Once Upon a Time’ Season 2
“It was a joy,” he says. “It was exactly the kind of stuff I was looking forward to getting to do after having played the nicest guy on the island for so long. To get to then go, all right, let’s play guys who aren’t so happy to see you and can be dangerous was a lot of fun.”
As with many of the characters on “Once Upon a Time,” the Giant may not be exactly as you remember him from the fairy tale. “‘Once Upon a Time’ has got that kind of thing where they take something you think you’re familiar with and kind of skew it a bit. … It’s where they go in this one as well. It’s not exactly as you expect the giant story to be.
“If you’re using, like, ‘Mickey and the Beanstalk’ as a comparison, there’s definitely a different angle for this giant,” he adds. “But it’s pretty good — I think they’ll dig it.”
Garcia’s scenes were all done with green-screen backdrops, which he says was an exercise in trust with episode director Dave Barrett to make sure his performance fits in the finished show. He also got some help from his fellow actors.
“Jennifer Morrison was a great trouper and even went as far as to lie down on the ground so her face would be next to the camera and the eye line would work,” Garcia says. It was definitely a good supporting cast to help me through it.”
The episode — and whatever he may do on “Once Upon a Time” in the future — also was a mini-“Lost” reunion for Garcia and creators Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, who wrote several Hurley-centric episodes of “Lost.”
“It was fantastic. We had been talking for a while, and they’ve always been saying they wanted to find a way to get me on ‘Once Upon a Time,'” Garcia says. “It was [a matter of] looking for when the right opportunity would show up. This giant storyline came up and they pitched it to me, and it seemed like an inspired fit. It just all came together really well.”
