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Wow! I’ve definitely distrusted the Blue Fairy for awhile, but I love how much work you put into this.
For instance, I never really thought about how many members of the War Council that she’s manipulated, and they’re suppose to trust her, lol. I wonder if we’ll see her manipulating the other members of the War Council in the future. It’s definitely something to watch out for now.
Also, while I have seen people question why the Blue Fairy didn’t help Regina when Regina was younger, but I never thought about it in terms of her doing that that way Rumple could have someone to enact the Curse. (I really hope this happens because there’s so many layers going on, imo). Also, I never really thought of why she couldn’t have put Regina in a magical prison if she could help put Rumple in one. (Although I definitely think that Rumple knew what was going on and went willingly. However, I also think that the Blue Fairy would have known that he be smart enough to know that something was up, but that he would accept it because when the Curse hit they both knew needed to be behind the bars perhaps to dampen the Curse’s effects on him.)
I do think she needed to be enacted and broken though. I don’t know exactly why yet, but I wonder if their world was dying since everything seems to be the last of something and the fairy dust didn’t seem infinite. My other thought was maybe it had something to do with Emma, Henry, and/or Bae, and she had to manipulate everyone behind the scenes to get that to happen for some unknown reason right now.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m not sure where to put this, but I think it’s interesting that Colin O’Donoghue has said that he’s yet to film any Neverland scenes yet. It doesn’t mean that “Into the Deep” isn’t about Hook, but I guess there’s more of chance now that it could be about another character. I’d just hate for it to be about Killian Jones’ backstory before he met Milah because I think “The Crocodile” already contained a lot of information about him, and right now I want to find out what happened to him after he went to Neverland not before that time.
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Beth: Any idea on when we are going to meet Peter Pan and Tinkerbell on Once Upon a Time?
Sadly, it seems like it might be a while as Colin O’Donoghue (Captain Hook) tells us he has yet to film any Neverland scenes (they are currently filming episode 11). In fact, he hasn’t even been told if they are definitely introducing Peter, though he’s hoping OUAT decides to—we hope so too!@MellieMD wrote:
Regarding episode content and balance:
This episode needed to be Whale/Frankenstein centric with a Regina/Jefferson/Rumple backdrop. Instead it was a Regina episode with a Jefferson/Rumple backdrop. It forced them to push the story in silly directions and made it feel very oneshot. Like that nothing in the present-Storybrooke storyline is going to affect the future. Originally I thought that Daniel being brought back would mean he would be around in Storybrooke for longer, actually BEING a monster and being a serious threat to everyone. Instead, he’s taken care of in one episode. His being brought back was just a storytelling instrument to move Regina’s redemption along. But if her redemption CANNOT be a natural consequence of natural events in character and story, it is forced and doesn’t work as effectively. Regina is usually such a well-written character, but this week had both her past self and current self being weak and boring, with nothing giving Lana Parilla a chance to make any sort of statement in the acting department. This episode should have given David Anders a chance to shine as Whale, and in the little pieces he had, he sort of did – despite the weak writing of his character as well. Even though I enjoyed the episode overall as a piece of entertainment, it didn’t seem to connect to any overarching plot anywhere but the fairytale present land.I’m not really much of a Regina fan except I usually love to hate her or just hate her, but I agree though that it should have been opposite with this being a true Dr. Whale-centric episode not a Regina-centric episode disguised as a Dr. Whale-centric episode. Even though I felt “The Crocodile” also suffered from being hyped up too much like “The Doctor” did, at least it was more balanced even though that episode was Rumple-centric because we also got to learn quite a bit about Milah and Hook too. On the other hand, Dr. Whale was like Smee in “The Doctor” not even on the same level as a Milah or a Hook, imo.
Also, there seemed to some big weird things going on. Like I’m not sure why Regina married King Leopold. Maybe it’s not a plot hole, I would have liked answered before they jumped ahead to her being Rumple’s apprentice. Plus, if she is married to Leopold by this time, I know he’s clueless, but isn’t it a little weird that she has so much free time when Leopold married her because he thought his daughter needed a mom.
I’d like to have seen more time devoted to Jefferson’s hat too, those wonderful doors of course, but also how he was able to bring Dr. Whale to FTL and take him back. Maybe just a throwaway line or something about how someone else is waiting for Jefferson and Dr. Whale in Dr. Whale’s world that way he/she can come back, that way it won’t seem like the writers forgot the rules about Jefferson’s hat already.
The big question though is I’m not sure how Regina could preserve Daniel’s body if she didn’t know how to use magic at that time. I’ve read theories that she asked Cora too, but that doesn’t seem like something Cora would do to me.
Of course, young Regina seemed off this episode too. If it was a gradual transition from Regina in “The Stable Boy” to her becoming the Evil Queen like it seemed in “We Are Both”, then it seemed like the total opposite of that in “The Doctor”. In “We Are Both”, she’s only having thoughts about killing Snow White, which she promptly shakes off. In “The Doctor” though, it’s like the opposite because she goes from acting as innocent as a young Snow White to Evil Queen mode without anything in between.
For the next Ruby-centric episode there is a brutal murder, and people think she did it. But I was thinking that perhaps a Daniel monster would be the real culprit… So if they were setting THAT up, it would have had a point. Instead, it was forced.
Yes, if they were going to have the ghost/monster of Daniel running around, I wish it had been longer than just one episode. Although interesting thought about Regina just vanishing Daniel not destroying him, perhaps this will come back later since I don’t really buy how fast Regina’s redemption has been going.
Speaking of fairytale-present. I have a bone to pick with this show. It has so many storylines – which is fine. The problem is that with so many stories they need to USE them properly. Last week was a perfect example of awesome use of their <45 minute time. We had a great fairytale flashback and a great Storybrooke present. It was balanced, interesting, both sides were nicely compared to the other side. THIS week we had three storylines. Two of them fit the episode, and one of them moved the plot along but KILLED the pacing. I believe that each episode of this show should only have two storylines at once. a) For the sake of not confusing viewers (not to say I was confused, because I wasn't. But it CAN be confusing) b ) For the sake of keeping the pace of the episode so that it doesn't stilt or drag and c) So that you can hammer the theme of the episode home in different ways WITHOUT it being hammered into our skulls. This wasn't a problem in this episode since the fairytale present story literally had no connection to either of the other two stories, but that's an even bigger problem. It was so disconnected that it felt like it didn't belong. It belongs in next week which is all about fairytale present and the Hook/Emma/Snow/Etc storyline. And it should have been put into next week... Honestly, it sort of feels like they made NEXT week's episode too long, but didn't want to cut anything so they just threw the beginning pieces into this episode.
I think they could do three timelines, but it’s probably very difficult, instead of the way that they did it last year because it’s hard to get all three timelines to sync into what theme that they’re trying to do. So I agree that they should have just cut out Emma again since the timeline about present day Fairy Tale Land just didn’t go with the other two timelines. You’re probably right though that they felt that they couldn’t cut anything from next week’s episode, so they just clumsily inserted Emma and gang meeting Hook and going to the Beanstalk.
That would indeed be lovely, and I do hope that he continues to try to be a better man. But I think in this case, it was just that what he got from it wasn’t something that came with a physical price. Despite that, he still got something valuable…Victor had to swallow his pride, and tell Rumple he was right. Both of them have big egos, and Victor having to submit, that was a huge kick in the guts for him, and Rumple knew it, which made him happy. Rumple doesn’t like having his power challenged, and he won that round, even if he’d had to wait a long time to hear Victor say those words.
Yes, I still don’t think a kinder and gentler Rumple will actually happen until he is reunited with Bae again.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Also, if Jamie Chung and Sara Bolger are filming with Ginny Goodwin and Jennifer Morrison, it suggests that all of them are there together in SB, too, and weren’t just left behind. It could be they weren’t in the particular reunion scene, but we’ll see them later in SB.
I know, I know, you make good points, but I’m sticking to this theory to the end.
Still seems odd that Jamie Chung and Sarah Bolger are nowhere around in Storybrooke despite filming recently; although, maybe they are there and are just being hidden. Possibly, but I still think it’s because these aren’t the real Emma and Snow.
Also, I find Sarah Heartie’s tweet the most interesting because I feel like she’s a plant or has to be getting some inside information. I still maintain that the hint about Regina not wanting any of Emma’s cake was definitely a reference to the movie, Black Swan, which not only has Barbara Hershey in it as a Cora-like mother who tries to get her daughter, who is losing her mind, to eat a cake which the daughter is having none of, but also makes the viewer question what characters were real among other things by the end of the movie. So I find it weird that Heartie points out that they filmed where Regina’s and Gold’s houses are because again if this isn’t the real Emma and Snow but Hook and Cora, it makes sense that they’re watching their enemies to find out their weaknesses to use against them.
Of course, I’m sure that Emma and Snow have reason enough to watch those two or possibly suggesting some type of alliance in these scenes, but like I wrote, I’m not giving this theory up.
@ceege wrote:
(Just feeling silly this morning because of the big news from last night 😆 )
:lol:, I was wondering how soon they were going to incorporate Star Wars too after the big news last night.
@Naomi wrote:
You’re right, Lil’Red! Henry’s dad probably pops up from the back seat of the car too! That would be a great parallel.
I really want this to happen now.
I do too!
On a suspicious note, because he doesn’t normally do this, Dylan Schmid on Twitter is asking if people have Once theories.
Why, teen!Baelfire? SHOULD we be theorizing about something??? ❓Yes, I thought that was a little suspicious. Keeping my fingers crossed that the Baelfire episode is coming up after the break soon, or perhaps they just contacted him to let him know when to keep his schedule free because I imagine with recurring cast members, they might have to ask them months ahead of time if they would be available and if not when could they be available for shooting. (Of course, the poor boy spelled theories wrong, which made me cringe, but I saw that his mom corrected him. 😆 )
Yes, someone actually came up with a song list and everything!!!
Tracklist:
Magic vs. Science!
Regina’s Tears Are Delicious
Song For Long-Suffering Extant Family Members
This Kind Of Sartorial Excellence Takes Effort
It’s Hard Out There For A Single Dad [Rumplestiltskin + Jefferson duet]
Wonderland Is Really, Really Irritating
Fuck Nuns! [Rumplestiltskin + Victor duet]
Magic vs. Science! (reprise)
Magic Is Alright, I Guess [Victor solo]
Magic Is Fucking Awesome [Rumplestiltskin + Jefferson duet]
Don’t Stop Believing [Journey cover]They need to really make this album like now.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
If they are impostors well I have this crackpot theory of Mulan working with Cora if that actually plays out it could actually be Mulan and Cora 😯
Interesting theory about Mulan. However, I don’t think they would go that route for the reasons that Phee gave in the other thread about this subject because Mulan is one of Disney’s princesses. So I don’t think they would allow the show to portray her in a negative light like that because of how valuable that franchise is to Disney.
I do agree that she’s a little bit strange acting, but unfortunately I think that’s because the writers really haven’t given the character that much to do and the actress doesn’t give the best line readings. So I think the combination makes her seem inconsistent which might make her seem suspicious to some people, because this isn’t the first time that I’ve seen this theory pop up. I don’t think we’re meant to think that she’s suspicious at all because we’ve already had Lancelot turn out to be a fake, and because I think that Hook along with Cora and King George are meant to be the big villains this year. I don’t think they would have Mulan actually be the one working for Cora and not Hook even though it would be quite the twist just because I don’t think Disney would allow the writers to do that to Mulan.
Further, at least Aurora as spoiled and useless to some viewers as she may be, is a stock kind of character that viewers can relate to, and for me Sarah Bolger has a better grip on her character than Jamie Chung, right now. With Mulan, I was beginning to warm up to her in “Lady of the Lake” because I think she was given more depth there and was hoping that the progress would continue, but then this past episode, she’s just sort of there again with the stilted line readings. Of course, Aurora was just sort of there too in “The Doctor”, but she did add some comic relief.
I do worry about Mulan’s fate in “Tallahassee” though because she’s not listed for “Child of the Moon” but Aurora is. I really don’t think the show would kill off another POC so soon, but something definitely seems up there.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Anyone familiar with the Scarlet Pimpernel? It’s a novel/play that takes place during the French Revolution about the fictitious English Gentleman Sir Percy Blakeney and his French wife Marguerite. Percy lives as all these aliases – the Scarlet Pimpernel being a hero who saves French noble families that are sentenced to die in France. At home, under his legal name, he plays the part of an idiot to keep suspicion off him being the Scarlet Pimpernel. Unfortunately, Marguerite ends up thinking he wasn’t as heroic and kind as she had thought when they met -causing a lot of friction in their relationship. It’s when they are finally honest about who they are, fighting side by side, that they realize their love for each other again.
There’s a lot more going on in the overall plot (Percy even has a sidekick that kind of reminds me of August) but just the story of Percy/Marguerite reminds me of a possible Emma/Neal(Bae) plot.
The tattoo looks like the Blakeney family crest, a Scarlet Pimpernel (type of flower) that the hero used to sign letter-taunts to his advisories.
If anyone’s interested, was obsessed with an adaption of the novel into a mini series starring Richard E. Grant and highly recommend it!
Her tattoo does sort of look like the Scarlet Pimpernel. Plus, I think that Bae’s and Emma’s love story would be like that because I don’t really think that Bae did whatever Emma thinks he did, and eventually she’ll see that he is heroic and kind.
I think it also works with him being a con man or with him actually being an undercover cop, who Emma thinks set her up. I really love that theory, by the way, and can’t stop thinking about it. I know the synopsis doesn’t make it seem like Neal is a cop and his alias would point towards him not being a cop too, but I agree what a twist that would be especially since Michael Raymond-James always plays some kind of criminal type of character.
Maybe he didn’t want to turn Emma in because he was falling for her/in love which is why he was trying to get her to go straight. Things went awry though like he interpreted some behavior of hers as not using him perhaps or perhaps he just got scared by his feelings for her and like his dad thought that no one could ever really love him because everyone he’s ever loved has abandoned him first, and he figured Emma would be no exception especially if he ever tried telling her the truth about his past life. Of course, unfortunately she sees that he was behind her going to jail because as she sees him being congratulated by his fellow officers, which could tie in with her saying his life got better her life got worse. (Although if he bailed on her or she thinks he did when they were both thieves that makes sense too.). Anyway, even though career wise and legally wise he might have made the right choice in deciding to turn her in, it’s a choice that keeps haunting him.
Yes, probably won’t happen but I sort of want it to now because being an undercover cop would fit Bae’s personality when he was younger. Plus, I just want him to be like that still all heroic and brave; although, I understand how he could have got sucked into a life of crime. I think that would also fit in with him being the Job of OUaT from what we’ve seen so far too in that so far from what we’ve seen of Bae, he’s a good character and when he has the chance to act does the right thing, but always gets punished in the end.
(His mother leaves him home alone when he’s a very young child while she’s out getting drunk with pirates. He has to hear her badmouth his father in front of said pirates. Then, she leaves him to live with those pirates. While his father loves him very much, he has to endure what his mother couldn’t with by having to hear everyone in his village call his dad a coward and hear talk that Rumplestiltskin isn’t even his father. He’s also dirt poor which means it seems like it’s impossible for him to avoid having to fight in the Ogre War. Of course, he doesn’t mind, but his father does, which of course leads to his father being the Dark One. He now has wealth in his life and doesn’t have to go fight in the Ogre War, but he’s afraid of what his father has become. So he tries to help his father, but instead of his father honoring their deal, his father is a coward again and chooses power over his own son. Then, we skip to how he is in NYC where he looks like he leads a lonely life.)
Also, we’ve also seen all these character make the wrong choice legally, as well as morally, so maybe it would be nice change of pace to have one character legally make the right choice but not actually be the right choice. He might have his own sort of ethics being a cop and perhaps adapting to our world differently than either Emma or August have in a way like he could be all about following the rules even when it might not always be the best choice because maybe he fears what happens when people don’t follow the rules like what happened to his father. Hopefully, I’m explaining it, but like his job and upholding the law could be one of the things that helps Bae cope and function in this world.
Maybe they could tie that in later with where I think they’re going to go later with science vs. magic with Bae being on the side of science, and his father being on the side of magic.
