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Thanks for the credit, but Lil’Red was the one with the great eyes. She noticed it first when we were discussing Tallahassee and how we’ll probably die after watching it because of all the feelings. 😀
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Naomi, you and I are of the same mind in that we both see an uncanny resemblance between Bae & Neal Cassady. I said earlier that MRJ captured the sullen/serious mood & look of Bae and here are 2 pics that I feel show this. PS not sure how to post the pics as Naomi did. If someone can do this, with the links below, I’d sure appreciate it. 😀
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121001085142/onceuponatime8042/images/5/58/Mysteriousman.jpg
Great catch!
I think it’s important to note that from what I’ve read about Michael Raymond-James, he takes acting very seriously. Like for True Blood, he hired his own dialect coach to get his accent just right, and while he’s joked about being typecast as a criminal, he also said that he didn’t too much as long as he can put some kind of unique spin on each criminal character and not just play the same criminal character. So I think he would definitely be the type of serious actor to study the mannerisms of younger Bae, so that he can include them in his portrayal of adult Bae.
[adrotate group="5"]@Naomi wrote:
I think this theory can go around and around in circles until the creators release some other nugget of information to us. But I still think it’s an interesting theory!
Yes, I guess it’s just one of those theories that neither side will yield to until we know for sure. It also seems to be one of those theories that people either really love or really hate.
I know I for one am going to stick to this theory until we have concrete proof one way or another. Of course, that doesn’t mean I don’t respect the arguments as to why they’re not impostors because I do, and I see why this idea seems out there, but it’s not going to change my mind.
Crazy idea, but maybe Pongo alerts Henry to the imposters? LOL. Maybe he barks like crazy around fake!Snow and fake!Emma, and that’s how they figure out. Just a thought. Not to be taken seriously, guys.
Great idea. That’s usually part of the impostor trope too in that the person’s pet or a friend of the person’s pet, usually a dog, always reacts negatively to the impostor because the pets know it’s not really the true person and the pet always gets blamed for his/her behavior.
I know a lot of people have questioned why Ruby wouldn’t know then, and really I don’t have an answer to that especially if Pongo can sense it. Although I’m sure the writers can think of a way to work around it like maybe Ruby’s still rattled by whatever happens in episode 7 and being accused of murder that she’s not really paying attention to the outside world that much since she’s worried that she might have done it and/or being found guilty. Or perhaps they’ll just write it off as magic where real animals can sense if someone is an impostor but a hybrid human type of animal like a werewolf can’t.
Can we take a moment to appreciate Snow’s upturned collar.
Nice find. I still think it’s Cora as Snow in disguise with her collar because it’s just a totally different vibe that Ginnifer Goodwin is giving off then her Snow vibe, the same with Jennifer Morrison as Emma in those pictures.
Again, I could be totally wrong, but for me it just makes the most sense right now with the spoilers out there.
I think that’s why we’re getting a Hook-centric and Cora-centric episode right before the mid-season break with them heading towards Storybrooke before Emma and Snow or possibly at the same time as Emma and Snow, depending on what exactly Grumpy finds in Storybrooke that could help the latter come back. I think they want to set up how villainous Hook and Cora really right before they come to Storybrooke that way there’s more tension because we really haven’t seen any of their evil deeds especially Hook’s. Plus, I love everyone worrying over winter about whether or not Hook and Cora will arrive in Storybrooke before Emma and Snow, and just when everyone feels relief because it looks like Emma and Snow beat Hook and Cora to Storybrooke, they do the part of the impostor trope by revealing it’s not really Emma and Snow but Hook and Cora as them because they turn back to their true selves, which is why Colin O’Donoghue and Barbara Hershey were on set at the same time, well that and to fool onlookers who might leak out information.
For the record, I generally don’t like that part of the impostor trope where they have to bluntly tell the audience in some way that person A really isn’t person A but person B by having person A switch to his or her true self briefly or have the impostor do something like hug someone one while wearing an evil grin that gives away that it’s really the impostor so the audience sees it but the person being hugged can’t. It’s part of the trope though so it makes sense to me that OUaT would be no different in having to plainly show that Emma and Snow are impostors by having them switch to being Hook and Cora for a moment instead of doing it in a subtle manner. For the shock factor though, that kind of blunt honesty probably works a lot better then trying to show that person A really isn’t person A in a subtle way.
@MellieMD wrote:
Phee is totally right. He could be just some guy with no fairytale connection at all, or he could be one of the numerous characters that -could- be attached to the evidence in his room. The problem is a lot of people want him to be Bae SO bad that they are looking specifically at things in a “This is why he could be Bae” way.
Well he has to be someone with a fairytale/storybook connection otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten the postcard in “Broken”.
Before “Tallahassee”, I admit he could have been someone else besides Bae based on things in his apartment because they obviously tried to throw clues to throw off viewers, but since they’ve already revealed that he’s Henry’s father, and given so many hints that Bae is the father of Henry, I’m looking at all those clues not just his apartment that he has to be Bae. It doesn’t mean that he can’t also be Peter Pan, the White Rabbit, the Wizard of Oz, etc., but he’s going to turn out to be Bae.
I think we’ll find out if he’s Henry’s father or not in this episode, but it might take some before we find out if he’s Bae or not.
Oh definitely. I agree with Phee that the revelation that he’s Bae deserves it’s own episode, so I expect that won’t be until near the end of the season. We’ll get hints of course that he’s Bae, but they’re also going to try to throw viewers off by giving other hints just like they did with August.
@Hannah97 wrote:
Well, while it’s true that we haven’t seen Snow wear black, obviously she owned some or else she wouldn’t be wearing any now. Unless Cora decided that she needed to go out and buy some new clothes…. which would make no sense and be even more suspicious.
Maybe I’m seeing too much of what I want to see, but I think for every reason as to why it can’t actually be Cora and Hook, I or someone else who also believes that the theory is true can give a rebuttal.
So for this argument, yes, I’m 100% sure that “Emma and Snow” didn’t go on a shopping trip, but it’s part of the whole trope that goes along with someone being in disguise. The person in disguise often wears something that is more befitting that person’s style rather than the person that he/she is trying to be. So yes, I think Emma and Snow likely actually own these clothes, but most of the time they wear the same clothing on the show unless something is going on. For me, it’s just like how most people usually wear the same type of clothes everyday to work or school unless there’s something special going on. In this case, the something special is that this isn’t the real Emma and Snow, but Hook and Cora. So to me Emma’s style looks more like Hook’s style because of the coat and boots and likewise Snow’s style looks more like Cora’s style because of the black almost glove things and her collar, which maybe no one will notice at first in Storybrooke because it’s not really such a big deal. For instance, in private Lil’Red suggested that one of these little things could be Emma and/or Snow not drinking their favorite drink. Of course, the good guys probably aren’t even thinking “hey I wonder if there’s anyway that Emma and Snow could be someone else in disguise” because it sounds so nutty, but then someone or perhaps a few people start seeing these little changes, and eventually the jig is up for Hook and Cora. Although by that time, it might be too late.
I think it could be legit Emma and Snow to have Charming join them on their business inside of Gold’s shop.I believe Charming of all men would be able to tell if Snow were an impostor. He was able to tell the Siren wasn’t Snow, because he felt it in his heart. Also, he could tell when Snow White ate the poisoned apple and fell into a deep sleep. Charming should be able to tell his wife is a fake or not.
I keep seeing this pop up as a reason why it couldn’t possibly be Hook and Cora, but like I mentioned I think for every argument, the people who believe in the impostor theory have a counter-argument ready. In this case, I don’t think Charming would think right away that anything was wrong. I mean why would he. He has no idea what exists in what’s left of FTL to think, “I wonder if there’s any evil villains that use dark magic that can shape shift left in FTL”. He might not even know that it’s possible for people who use magic to shape shift into actual people. Plus, he’s going to be so happy that he’s probably not going to notice any little things being off right away. When he starts to notice things are off, he’s probably not going to jump to the conclusion either, “I bet they’re not really my wife and daughter,” he’ll just write it off at first on blaming it on the horrible experience that his wife and daughter had to endure, or just think it’s his imagination. Eventually I’m sure he will figure it out, but there’s going to be a period where he’s in the honeymoon stage of his family being together again that he’s not going to notice right away and after that wears off as long as the villains don’t completely blow it, which I don’t think they will at least not in front of Charming and Henry, he’ll just write off any weird behavior on their part for a short time at least.
@Naomi wrote:
For Cora? Easy. To get to Henry.
I think most “theorists” agree that Henry is part of Cora’s plan involving Regina. We don’t know how, obviously. We don’t know in what context, or to what end. But he’s definitely going to be a part of the Cora-Regina confrontation.
Yes, while I could see them trying to take everyone by surprise just by barging in and trying to attack everyone before they know what’s happened if they aren’t fake Emma and Snow, the show could justify the impostor story line by having Cora and Hook, but mostly Cora, worry about how powerful Rumple and Regina are at the moment. They could just go in and attack them, but both could be ultra-powerful and take out Cora and Hook with no problem. So Cora might think it’s safer to pose as Snow and Emma first to get a feel on the whole Storybrooke situation first.
By doing that, they can also discover their enemies’ weaknesses. With Regina, it’s obviously Henry, but right not I don’t think Hook knows about Rumple having Belle as a weakness. So what better way to have Hook find out about Belle through pretending to be Emma or Snow. He can run into his old friend Smee, and convince Smee that he’s really Hook with information that both of them would only know or show him his real identity for a moment to convince Smee, and voila Smee reveals to Hook everything that he’s observed in Storybrooke including Rumple’s and Belle’s relationship.
The longer they’re able to fool everyone else, the more vulnerable the good guys plus Rumple and Regina will be when everyone finally does learn the truth. Not only could they find information, but think about how the potential chaos they could inflict by trying to pit people against each other. Like if fake!Emma has an argument with Regina, which could be about something along the lines of Emma saying, “I met your mother, and she’s a real piece of work. I see what you’ve become, and I’m going to make sure you don’t get anywhere near Henry again because I don’t trust you around him.” I could just see Cora doing that to cause even more friction between the two of them, that way if and when Emma ever returns, Regina will be that less likely to try to ally with her and the Charmings because she’ll keep wondering if the real Emma might do something like that to her one day. It doesn’t necessarily have to be an argument over Henry, but just something that Cora knows will push Regina’s buttons to weaken her mentally until she knows for sure when would be the best time to take out Rumple and Regina.
Also the girl who is writing the tweets said she doesn’t know if they are Hook and Cora so i think that it is reading too much into her tweets to say she is implying that it is the case. The girl doesn’t know.
It could be, but I think she’s just trying to cover her butt because she’s the one that revealed the spoilers about Belle being kidnapped and Henry’s dad appearing in episode 6 and basically being MR-J. She never comes right out and says these things probably because she doesn’t want to get in trouble with her source or sources, but she’s always hinted at these big story lines in some way which is why I think she included the cake reference.
I’d think it’d be more likely that Snow would be Cora. Hell, if I were Cora, I’d pick to be the one who gets to make out with Charming, and by the same token, Hook seemed pretty straight, so he’d probably prefer to be in the body that’s not making out with Charming.
The mention of the cake scene is curious. Doesn’t necessarily mean that “Emma” is Cora though, she could still be Hook and be doing something that Cora had told him to. Or maybe Cora can just choose to be either of them at any time, should the situation require it.
Yes, I would have thought Cora would have been Snow too because she’s known Snow longer, and yes to avoid a potential Hook as Snow/Charming reunion making out. (Although I think it would be funny, but they probably wouldn’t want to do that to Hook because they might be afraid it would hurt his reputation as a ladies’ man.) So I’m not sure how the potential shape shifting will work out yet.
@Phee wrote:
At that stage, if he’s suspecting that Emma may not be Emma, he may try to get Henry away from “her”. That’s gonna mess the kid’s head up. Wonder if he’d tell Henry he’s his father, even if he isn’t 100% sure? Or would he just be some new guy, hanging around, telling Henry not to trust his mother? Either way, it means angst for Henry. Emma told Henry that his father was dead, so it’s not like the kid would believe it if some random suddenly says, ‘I’m your father, and trust me, that person is NOT your mother.” But even if he doesn’t tell Henry, “I’m your father,” he’ll still just be some random guy telling Henry not to trust his mother. He could try speaking to Charming about it, but why would Charming have any reason to believe his story either? Though I guess he could start keeping a closer eye on “Emma”, and maybe he’ll notice that something odd is going on with “Snow” too, and eventually they’ll figure it out.
Then, one day, RealEmma ends up back in town, and finds out that Henry’s father is there, that he’s freaked Henry out, but only done it in an attempt to protect the kid. And he could also have potentially become friends with Emma’s dad. All of that could make for a fabulously awkward situation for Emma to come back to, so I could totally see them going the impostor route.
Yes!!! I’m loving all the ways that they could go with a possible impostor story line. While I want the Charmings to be together again, I think a fake story line gives the writers so much more to potentially work with especially with the new characters.
Ya know, now I’m kinda hoping that they ARE shape shifting impostors, because that would mean that Cora can shapeshift into people who aren’t dead, because there’s no way they’re gonna kill off Snow or Emma, which in turn means there’s hope for Lancelot. If Snow and Emma are still back in FTL, it means they can find him, and they can go back and get Phillip, and then the whole bunch of them can eventually end up in SB. If Snow and Emma leave FTL without Lancelot, Mulan, Aurora and Phillip, then that’s those characters pretty much done, because they’re not major enough for the writers to spend more time with them in FTL trying to get to SB. They wouldn’t even know where they’re trying to get to. The only way to keep those characters in the storyline, is for them to travel with Snow and Emma. And we didn’t see any of them in that “reunion” scene. At the very least, Charming would have been hugging Lancelot if he was there.
Yes, that’s an excellent point, if Snow and Emma leave FTL without any of the new characters that we’ve met there even with a promise of “someday soon we’ll all be together” or something along those lines, I’d feel that those new characters are pretty much done for. Yes, they might get back to them like they did Cinderella and Thomas, but they wouldn’t feel that important anymore which I think would be a terrible waste of time by the writers since they have built up Aurora and Mulan for the first half of the season only to ditch them in second half of the season. Also, great point about them not even knowing what they’re looking for in order to get to Storybrooke, so I think at least one of them has to go to Storybrooke just so that person can go back later and bring everyone to Storybrooke while Emma and Snow are busy with whatever is going on in Storybrooke at the time. (That could be the spoiler that K&H were talking about when they said we would see someone besides Emma and Snow return to FTL.)
Also, since Rumple and Regina may have their hands full, maybe this is where Barrett, Anita, and Quinn come in at to help either Henry and Charming in some way or help Emma and Snow in some way. I would guess just based on Barrett’s description that he’s probably in FTL right now, and that he’ll help Emma and Snow get back which will fool them into thinking he’s on their side for awhile until next season when he becomes the next big bad.
I don’t know if this is true, but the Daniel monster might have captured Henry??? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843230/board/thread/206183178?d=206183806&p=1#206183806
@hjbau wrote:
Why is Barbara Hershey being on set proof that this isn’t Snow and Emma? Wouldn’t it just be proof that Cora is in the scene? Why would she be on set of Cora was pretending to be Snow?
I think it could go either way.
I could see the show ending the winter break with Snow/Emma and Hook/Cora racing each other to get here at the end of episode 9, and then they return with this “reunion” where viewers think that “whew, luckily Emma and Snow made it to Storybrooke before Hook and Cora did,” and then wham, Cora has some kind of villain alone moment where she shapeshifts from Snow to Cora just to shock the audience. That could happen even before the winter break say in episode 8, we see Cora and Hook taking off for Storybrooke in his and wonder if Emma and Snow will ever beat them there, and then in episode 9 right before the winter break, we think that they did find a way back before Cora and Hook. Then surprise they reveal that Snow is really Cora at the end, and we have to spend all winter break wondering what’s going to happen.
Or it could be possible that Cora and Hook somehow snuck along with how Emma and Snow get here, but it just seems a little bit off for me right now, because the last spoilers that I read before these “reunion” pictures were of Cora and Hook on a ship together with Cora needing some kind of heart sacrifice. It’s certainly possible that Emma and Snow snuck on board Hook’s ship or find some other way to get to Storybrooke before Hook and Cora and that this a real reunion.
Mmm, here’s another spoiler that could point to this being the real Emma and Snow or impostors.
I could see Emma trying to warn Regina that her mother is headed towards Storybrooke, but then again, if Emma is really Hook in disguise, I could see Cora sending him to lay the groundwork for their dastardly plan.
ETA: Some more tweets that are leaving me confused as to whether or not this is really Emma and Snow with Cora sneaking into town with them, or if it’s really Cora and Hook. However, I do think that if they aren’t the real Emma and Snow, I had their identities mixed up based on their body language in the pictures because Emma must be Cora and Snow must be Hook which is why Cora/Emma has a face-off with Regina and Hook/Snow has a face-off with Rumple if this theory is true.
The second tweet is definitely a reference to Black Swan and Barbara Hershey’s character in it who is Cora-like, so I wonder if that’s a clue that Emma is really Cora.
ETAA: Now Hook is in officially in Storybrooke!
I don’t really have a good reason for posting these, but who cares. More pictures are here, http://yvrshoots.com/2012/10/who-is-mysterious-man-from-onceuponatime-premiere-michael-raymond-james-returns.html#.UImHTrkKDC4.twitter
@Naomi wrote:
If they’re going to throw in Mystery Man this early, then the Emma-and-Mary Margaret imposters would be an interesting situation for him to run into. Apart from Henry – who is always a clever little genius 😉 – Mystery Man might be the one to realize something’s off. I think Cora has a talent for observing people and copying their mannerisms; so much so that she was able to trick Mulan into thinking she was Lancelot.
But how would gleaning information and scheming work if no one else in Storybrooke knew about “Neal Cassady”? There’s no way for her to get that information or find out who he is. If Emma failed to react to him, it might set alarm bells off in his head. It also might act as the perfect catalyst to reveal his true identity to Henry. (If he is, Henry’s father. :D)
Thanks for the theory, AntBee. I admit I’m really excited about this imposter idea now…to have villains in disguise. :O Run, Rumple and Regina, Run!
Yes, while I want the Charmings to be reunited, I love the possibilities of Hook and Regina just being supremely evil and cunning villains and getting the jump on Emma and Snow otherwise the good guys will have more time to prepare to defeat them whenever they do arrive in Storybrooke. Obviously, they will defeat them in the end, but I think if everyone in Storybrooke or almost everyone in Storybrooke is taken in by the impostors, it will heighten the dramatic tension and really make everyone have to work together to be able to defeat Hook and Cora whenever it’s revealed that it’s not Emma and Snow.
Plus, yes as a believer that Baelfire is Henry’s father and hopeful that SwanFire happens, if Emma and Snow are really Hook and Cora, it sets up the opportunity for father and son to bond and father to get to redeem himself to son and mom for whatever happened. I don’t know that it will be enough at least in Emma’s eyes to set up a romantic relationship this early, but at least maybe they could go from loathing/not liking each other to at least friends. Also, I’m incredibly sappy so I think that would be great for SwanFire if they had Bae be the first person to know Emma wasn’t Emma even if it was only because she didn’t recognize who he really was, and not like in some movies/shows where a couple is so in love with each other that one person knows right away that the other person is an impostor and not really his/her love interest. Obviously, it’s more realistic and less cheesy/sappy if they have Bae know the truth first because impostor Emma doesn’t recognize him and punch his lights out right away, but for me it would be a variation of that trope.
ETA: Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Now I’m really worried. I just saw this post at TWoP. http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3209355&view=findpost&p=15311839
Ugh. Here’s some more reunion pictures and a fans account of what was happening. Could be nothing but interesting that “Snow” films a scene entering and exiting Gold’s shop. Gold is seen entering a bit later. I put Snow in quotations because maybe it’s possible that it really is Hook?
Am I reading too much into it?
http://vancityfilmin…second-reunion/
Some tweets saying Barbara Hersey was filming at Gold’s shop and that Lana was spotted around too.
I think it’s the other way around and Cora is Snow since she would have a reason to go after Rumple too, but either way, it is weird that Snow of all people would visit Gold when she first gets back. I could see her wanting to warn Regina about Cora, but Rumple, I don’t think she knows about what all went down with Rumple/Cora/Regina unless she finds out before the reunion. (Again the spoilers don’t seem to have gave any indication that this will happen though which is setting off all my alarm bells.) The big thing though is Barbara Hershey is on set!!! Well if it’s true, that’s a pretty big indication to me that it’s not the real Emma and Snow in those pictures. Yikes!!!
