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I mean in the crocodile, we see all these pictures that had to have been drawn by Rumple or Millah. Maybe he inherited that skill from whatever parent it was and he and August took on the project together. Maybe even with BF providing some of the stories August wouldn’t know.
Wow! I was just thinking about this because on Tumblr, I read a new theory about the book, which I’ll go into more detail with later. The producers confirmed that Milah is who the artist of all the pictures, which makes sense because they were mostly places of where she wanted to go, but couldn’t.
Someone should ask them if Bae inherited his mother’s artistic abilities. I know that in some families that ability is passed on but certainly not always.
I tried to find comparison between the drawing of the Rumplestiltskin dagger, and the illustrations in Henry’s book, but I can’t come to a definite conclusion. The drawing of the dagger looks similar to the sword, imo, but that could be because the same behind the scenes person was responsible for both drawings not that one character on the show drew both necessarily.
I still believe that August had to have known about the book either from Bae or possibly the Blue Fairy in order to know what kind of equipment bring to add his story into it. I lean towards Bae though more than the Blue Fairy, even though I know there’s definitely some holes that would have to be filled in by the writers, to make Bae the author like how he knew about these tales if he left before they took place, and how the book got to Mary Margaret. I’m just not convinced yet that the Blue Fairy had her memories back before the Curse was broken. Plus, if Rumple’s origin story isn’t in Henry’s book, which could go either way right now, that seems like something Bae would do, if he didn’t want people to know how and why Rumple became the Dark One because then they would know Rumple had a son, rather than something the Blue Fairy would omit.
By the way, here’s a link to the theory that I referred to earlier, http://cinnamonhummingbird.tumblr.com/post/34223315094/just-a-quick-baelfire-neal-cassady-rant-of-mine
It’s about how maybe Bae lost his memory when he came here, but has dreams about FTL and writes them down. One day he meets August, and since August is a fellow writer, Bae shares his stories with August, who then tries to convince Bae that these stories actually took place.
Admittedly there are plot holes like how did his book end up in Storybrooke in the first place, but I liked the theory for several reasons. First, as cruel as Bae’s life has been when he was younger, I think his life would have been a little bit better off for him, if he really did lose his memories of Fairy Tale Land until later in life when maybe he could deal with it better because he’d also be stuck in a position where he couldn’t tell anyone the truth because everyone would think he was either a liar, crazy, or both. I know August went through something similar, but at least Gepetto had good intentions when sending his son to our world. Plus, he didn’t have all that other baggage that Bae had like his whole town first scorning his father for being a coward, then ostracizing Bae later on because he was the son of the Dark One. Not to mention whatever memories he had of his mom and then her being gone forever one day, and then having to hear rumors about how his mother’s reputation and everyone speculating he might not even be Rumple’s son.
Second, although not tied to just this particular theory, but I would like Bae to be involved with the book either as the author or co-author because of how it ended up with Henry, and how the book could help them bond and maybe help Henry forgive whatever Bae did in his past.
Third, I wasn’t really sure how Bae would have got information about these stories that took place after he left in some of similar theories that I was trying to think of, but dreaming of them works for me. It could be one part of the Curse or have happened for another reason, but I think it fits in with the dreams that we’ve seen that Regina and Belle had where their dreams are trying to warn them of bad thing happening. Maybe the Curse or something else was trying to send a message to Bae that all these people were trapped in Storybrooke by an Evil Queen through his dreams and eventually he starts to collect them because they seem so vivid and real.
[adrotate group="5"]@Lil’Red wrote:
Was so excited to see these images! And then I read a theory where it’s not the real Snow or Emma – but Hook and Cora. The claim seems to be along the lines of Emma walking with a certain ‘swagger’ that more befits Hook and both their facial expressions being a bit off. Not sure, could just be the photographed moments are awkward in some but thought I’d put it out there.
This one seems the more likely Cora and Hook one. Emma being Hook and Snow being Cora.
That’s funny you said that because I read the theory about Emma and Snow really being Cora and Hook last night right after I posted the first picture, and then I actually worried about what if they were. (Maybe I need to find some kind of hobby. :D) Then, today I saw someone post just the same picture but with just of Snow and Charming together, and saying that it couldn’t be Cora and Hook because Cora or possibly Hook but probably Cora if it is indeed them wouldn’t get that close to Charming.
I tried to forget about it again though because while I want a reunion really badly, it seems sort of abrupt at least from recent spoilers that have come out. Now that you put it out there again though, Emma does look “swaggerful” and even Snow could be interpreted as sort of having a smirk like she’s really Cora and she’s happy that they’re fooling everyone.
I really didn’t think about the possibility that it could be Cora and Hook in disguise until someone brought it up first, but then I was like that does sort of make sense because I know the last spoilers I read about episodes 8 and 9 were that they were on a ship together headed somewhere with no mention at all of Emma or the rest of the gang being around.
Further, the spoiler about Snow and Charming being able to communicate to each other sounded like it was going to happen later on not in any of the episodes that were already filmed or being filmed at that time. I could be totally off base about that, but that’s the way interpreted it. I also thought about the spoiler about how Regina realizes that she actually needs Emma and Snow if she wants to continue her relationship with Henry. Now that could happen before this reunion takes place, but again when I read that spoiler it seemed like it was going to take place later then episode 10.
Then, there’s the fact that Aurora and Mulan are missing in these photos. I guess they could be stuck in FTL, have decided to stay there to protect the other refugees, or with Cora and Hook all on their way to Storybrooke eventually if this is indeed the real Snow and Emma, but it just seems off to me that they’re missing from the reunion.
Further, not really based on a spoiler, but it seemed like many of us here had the same thought that Henry and his dad would bond before Emma returned. Again, it could still happen if this takes place in episode 10, and Mysterious Man comes to Storybrooke before that. It just doesn’t seem to leave much time though. Of course, perhaps we wrong about our theory, but I don’t know if it’s me being paranoid or what now. I just feel like there’s things that are off about this reunion. I feel like it’s about time that the Charmings have been reunited again, but at the same time I’m thinking that it feels like it’s too soon based on the information that’s been put out there.
It just feels like there’s a trap being set by Hook and Cora well mostly Cora since she got some valuable information from Emma, and leave Regina thinking Emma is just like her mom and can’t keep her big mouth shut. I don’t think that Charming and Henry would begin to suspect anything, at least not at first, because they would be so happy about Emma and Snow back, that any weird behavior would go unnoticed by them. Gold or Regina might, but I think that they’ve got they’ll both be too busy thinking about their own lives that they won’t notice anything right away either.
I do have a wild theory about Emma’s tattoo and who might be the first to think Emma is an impostor based on the tattoo possibly not being there on fake Emma because Cora wouldn’t have known about it, but for now I’ll go with a little bit saner theory that I thought of. Since I don’t think Bae is going to turn out to be Peter Pan, if Hook is really in disguise as Emma, after a short time, I think Henry would most likely be the first to suspect that something was off, and that could create this Henry vs. Hook adversarial relationship which would be like Peter Pan vs. Hook. Maybe Henry isn’t the real Peter, but he could be a stand in like how they did the “Sleeping Beauty” story in “A Land Without Magic” with Emma and Henry. Plus, if we actually did see Hook go after Henry at first trying to shut him up and then later escalating into trying to kill him, it would definitely make him someone to root against if they’re setting up this Regina/Charming/Rumple vs. Hook/Cora battle royale for the season finale.
@Josephine wrote:
Oh gosh, the first thing that popped into my head was the Peaches &Herb (omg, I have no idea how I remembered that) song:
Reunited and it feels so good
Reunited ’cause we understood
There’s one perfect fit And, sugar, this one is it
We both are so excited ’cause we’re reunited, hey, heyI was actually going to put “Reunited and it feels so good” as the whole thread title because of the song, but I decided not to because I didn’t want to come across too corny. 😀
ETA: Here’s a link to more pictures, http://vancityfilming.com/articles/once-upon-a-time-a-preview/#comment-1592%5B/i%5D
Does anyone see anything that looks like a NYC Taxi, because there is a comment about one in the comment section? I can’t find it anywhere though. 😥
@Josephine wrote:
Really, leggings went out in the late 90s? I graduated in 1995 and I can’t remember them being popular. I remember them when I was in elementary and middle school in the late 80s and I’ll even give into the early 90s. I’d see sweatpants before leggings. I do remember flares/bell bottoms were trying to come in and only a few kids were wearing them.
Well I remember wearing them in middle school and freshman year until grunge became popular, but not like Emma did with the dress, but with long sweaters or shirts. (I wasn’t very fashion forward either.)
*high fives Bee for her taste in eyeglasses* I didn’t think they were hipster glasses at the time, but I do remember having them. I think I ended up trading them out for wire-rimmed glasses. Nowadays, I’m into the rimless and will never go back, even though the cost is outrageous.
No, I didn’t think of them as hipster glasses like I do now. I guess I just liked them out of the options that they had back then. I remember I had those Lisa Loeb-type of glasses when “Stay” was popular, but then they got broken, so I went with a different style because the tortoise frame never fit my face anyways. Of course, I didn’t care at the time because those glasses were everywhere, but at least I never got the Rachel haircut which was everywhere when I was in high school too.
I also love how different Neal looks…between his frumpy three-piece suit in “Broken” to his super casual tank-and-jacket style in the spoilers photos. Reminds me of MR-J in Terriers.
He must have it written into his contracts that his character must appear sometime in a sleeveless t-shirt. Not that I’m complaining, but it’s funny that it’s happened on True Blood, The Walking Dead, Terriers and now Once Upon a Time.
Hopefully, Lil’Red doesn’t mind me mentioning this, but she was talking about how MR-J’s hair even looks floofier in episode 6 like the two younger Bae’s hairstyle and the color palette is spot on to the younger Baes.
Just for fun,
@Lil’Red wrote:
Kind of thought he’d be in the Whale spectrum of ‘creeper’ but he really wasn’t. Overall, interested in seeing his character develop and see how dark he’s become after losing Milha and everything that went down in Neverland. Worried that his motivation is a bit faulty since they didn’t really develop the Milha/Hook love story – except saying that it totally happened and they loved each other.
Yes, I was expecting some kind of creeper too, but was glad that he wasn’t. I agree though that I never got the feeling of true love from Milah/Hook; although, I guess they are. It’s really too bad because I love your idea of him loving Milah but Ariel being his real true love.
While it’s great motive for revenge, I think giving him a true love and killing her off already, is too much like Regina’s back story, and limits another character to work with romance wise. Not that they can’t pair off Regina and Hook with each other or with other people, but at least for me, I can’t really get invested if Daniel and Milah were their real true loves because at least in the back of my mind I’d always be wondering if they’re comparing their new loves all the time to their old loves and the new loves are great but not quite as great as Daniel and Milah.
Plus, like I wrote in another post, I could buy that Hook was the great love of Milah’s life since he helped rescue her from her situation, but I’m not sure if she was the love of his life except that the show wants me to believe that she was. She was beautiful, and while she was a strong woman, I guess I just didn’t see anything when we first see them together at the tavern that would necessarily make her the love of Hook’s life. It could be he didn’t fall in love with her right away, but I wish we would have gotten to see something at the start to indicate that while she wasn’t the love of his life then, she wasn’t necessarily just another fling to him either which is the impression I got when first seeing them together.
I don’t know what to think about Hook. I’m not in love with him like a lot of fangirls already are. Rumple and Charming have no need to worry about their spots being usurped, but I don’t hate him, either. I do think the revenge thing is going to be mostly Milah and a part his hand. But right now, I’m pretty ambivalent about him.
Yes, I think he’s great eye candy, but I’m not quite in love with him either yet. I want to know more about why Milah was the love of his life if she’s the motive for his going to Neverland in order to get back at Rumple someday. I also want to know more about his time in Neverland before deciding about him one way or another.
@Phee wrote:
@Marilou wrote:
the clothing does not add up! let’s say that storybrook present is somewhere between 2007 and 2012. This means she should be wearing clothes from the late 90’s early 00’s. The kind of look she is sporting was trending two-three years ago. Hipster glasses? Com’on, no one wore those ten years ago. I hope we are wrong and this is not a flashback from 10 years ago, because if it is, there has been a serious mistake in the wardrobe department.
I dunno, I think the clothes are fine. I asked myself, “Would she blend in in an ep of 90210,” and answered yes.
Are you talking about Beverly Hills 90210, the original flavor? I know that it ended in 2000, but it’s close enough to when Emma would have pregnant, imo. While I didn’t watch it much after Brenda left, I do think that Emma wouldn’t look too out of place on the show even during the 90s, imo. I mean if they would have dressed Andrea Zuckerman in those kind of outfits maybe she would have looked at least like a twenty something instead of a thirty something trying to play a teenager. (Of course, I’ll always love the Zuckerman, but really even as a teenager, it was hard for me to buy that some of the actors were supposed to be high school students. Kids these days don’t know how good they have it with their age appropriate looking actors. Also, those kids should totally get off my lawn. 😆 )
From Wiki,
By the early-1990s, leggings were actually outselling jeans in many parts of the United States.[citation needed] It was very common to see leggings worn with long oversized t-shirts, oversized sweatshirts or oversized sweaters, slouch socks and Keds. Fashion turned against leggings in the late 1990s.
Yes, I know they went out of style in the late 90s when this probably would have happened, (although I’m confused because of the dates in those secret Archie Hopper files are listed as 2009 and 2019), and came back in again in the mid 00s, but Emma has never been fashion forward, so I can fanwank it that these were hand me downs or thrift shop clothes that she thought looked fashionable to her. (Or maybe she was fashion forward and was ahead of the curve before people came back to leggings.) Also, I had a pair of those glasses in high school like Josephine too.
Thank you so much for the pictures, Daniel. Finally visual proof that MR-J is Henry’s dad.
I really hope that whatever he did wasn’t too bad in the scheme of things. I mean I want him to be flawed but not too flawed because these pictures have really brought out the SwanFire shipper in me even more after seeing them together. Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I can already see the chemistry between them, which is great because I wasn’t sure what to expect since chemistry is a tricky thing.
I liked her relationship with Graham and thought that Emma had okay chemistry there. I didn’t feel anything between her and August until I found out that he was suppose to watch over her, and then I just got a big brother/little sister type of vibe. So at least the producers and I agree on that idea since before that, I just found August was trying too hard, and that Emma really wasn’t into him and couldn’t really see her ever being into him that much because there was just no chemistry there, imo. Emma and Jefferson did have chemistry, but I think that might be because of real life blending over perhaps. Either way, I found it disturbing if the show had went there at least not without Jefferson really redeeming himself for trying to kill Emma twice and being involved in Henry almost dying. Plus, I’m sure his wife will show up sometime, so I was hoping that his wife would show up as an option instead of them writing MadSwan first.
Anyway, even though she’s had all this different chemistry with other male characters, I think it’s a positive sign that it seems to already exist between her and Henry’s father. Hopefully, this means we get some great scenes from them in the future when Emma finally comes back to Storybrooke, and he arrives in Storybrooke from NYC.
@Phee wrote:
@Naomi wrote:
Emma looks so carefree in the shots with Mystery Man. She must have fallen really hard for him and gotten hurt really badly if she now talks about him with such loathing.
OMG I know, she looks so cheery, and she hasn’t had much cheer in her life, and it’s about to all come crashing down around her. Poor Emma. 🙁
Yes, they both look so incredibly happy! I can already tell this episode is going to tear me apart. 😥 I really don’t want to end up hating Baelfire, well at least this early who knows what kind of character assassination might happen once he’s been on the show in adult form for awhile, so I hope that whatever he did, it’s not too bad. I mean I don’t want Emma to look too bad for her decision not to tell him, but I don’t want my ship to sink this early either.
… I’m REALLY trying to, but I’m just not buying 17 year old from a pair of glasses- 20 yeah- but not 16-17 years old
I’m hoping I’m so engrossed in the story, that it will not look/feel too weird I hope it comes across better on screen than it looks in the photos
I think they may have managed to get away with a much younger Regina on account of the FTL wardrobe & hair compared to SB Regina’s more mature, modern clothing/style.Actually I was really worried about them making Jennifer Morrison look 17 when I heard about this episode because while Morrison is incredibly beautiful, I wasn’t sure if they could make her look like a teenager again. While she doesn’t look quite 17, she does look young enough that it doesn’t bother me. They also did a great job with making Michael Raymond-James look younger, who I find very attractive, but again, he’s definitely not one of those thirty something actors that could still get cast as a teenager on some CW show. I agree though that it was definitely a lot easier to make Lana Parrilla look younger since they always style her to look more mature anyways.
About Emma’s bug, it is not herbie. Just for some reason people thought that and they said it wasn’t herbie, but meant that they were going to show Emma’s back story. Also i was wondering if the mystery man comes into town, since we now know he has been in Emma’s bug, if he will see Henry in it and make the connection. Since they already showed Henry sitting in it thinking about Emma.
Yes, I’m very surprised that Emma had her VW Beetle back then. I’m not sure if it’s the same one because I’m not sure how a teenager could afford to keep it while she was in jail, but a lot of people wondered why they had that scene of Henry sitting in Emma’s Beetle in Lady of the Lake, and I bet this is going to be why. Bae might know that Emma is the Savior, but he doesn’t know about Henry, so as soon as he sees a boy around ten years old sitting in her car that looks like him, he’s definitely going to connect the dots pretty fast.
ETA:
Yea maybe he was in some secret rolex watch smuggling gang.
This comment made me laugh so hard last night when I came home. 😆 I think it would be funny though if the reason Emma went to jail was because of stolen watches since Henry is a collector of clocks. I always thought it was because he was the only one that aged, but maybe it’s been a hint all along about why he ended up being born in jail.
@Surayya wrote:
No more ‘who is Dr Whale’ threads! At last 😀 😉 😆
lol, so true. Like you said not to lessen the work of everyone who has worked so hard on theories about who he is, but it will be nice to finally have one mystery answered.
I feel bad for poor David Anders though after seeing this tweet,
.The promo department should be fired. It was bad enough last week when they promoted Hook so wrongly, and then some viewers were upset that he wasn’t so bad after all at least not in The Crocodile. Then they give away the secret of who Dr. Whale is even before the episode airs. Yes, I figured that he was going to be Dr. Frankenstein because of the spoilers, but I wish they hadn’t made it so obvious in the promos.
@Faux Pax wrote:
I really hate the theory that Rumple isn’t Bae’s biological father (Milla not being his mother doesn’t sit well with me either, but I don’t know why). Whether or not Bae and Rumple share blood, it WOULDN’T MATTER to Rumple at all, but i think if it turns out that he’s not, then i think it would cheapen everything Rumple has done for him in the eyes of some of the audience. I can see the post now…”So sad, after all Rumple had done to get to Bae and get him to forgive him, he’s not really his son. what a waste of Rumple’s time…”
No, I know Bae’s going to turn out to be Rumple’s son. I just thought it was funny that theories were already popping up like that about Milah too, and to be honest I can see why it’s an appealing theory for Bae lovers because he’s already been through much, and we don’t even know what happened to him yet.
@Faux Pax wrote:
I have always rooted for the grown-up Bae theory for a couple reasons. I’m a big SwanFire fan and want him to be Henry’s dad. And I think that having him be a little kid would make it too easy for Rumple. A lot of people want him to have his happy ending, and i agree, but the show wouldn’t be good if he didn’t have to earn it.
I totally agree that I think it’s too easy for Rumple if Bae is still a little kid. He really needs to earn his happy ending especially after last night’s episode.
Besides, am I the only one looking forward to maybe some sort of Bromance between Hook and Bae? I mean he was kind of his step-dad, and I’m sure Hook would care for him at least somewhat, given how much he meant to Milla.
I brought this up in a chat room last night, but I don’t think anyone liked the theory. I guess it go either way either Hook spares Bae because Bae is Milah’s son, or he goes after Bae because Bae is Rumple’s son too.
I prefer the former because I think it would open up more possibilities for Hook later on. If they do plan on keeping him for next season and beyond, then I’m not sure they’ll keep him a villain or antagonist still, so I think it would be interesting to see him and Bae allied against Rumple for what Rumple did to Milah, and that eventually they become friends. Of course, I want Bae to forgive his father someday, but I think it would make it even more painful for Rumple to have to see the guy that his wife left him for bond with his son. While I still love Rumple, I will be so disappointed if they make his reconciliation with Bae too easy especially now.
Then again, there’s another new theory I read last night that will probably never happen, but I sort of wish it did only for poor Bae’s sake, and that’s this new theory that perhaps Bae is not only not Rumple’s son, but he’s not Milah’s son either. She found him when Rumple was in the Ogre Wars, kept him, grew attached, but not too attached, which is why she was able to leave him behind so easily. Yes, never going to happen, but for Bae’s sake, I sort of want it to be revealed that his real parents were nice and normal and didn’t really abandon him, maybe even royalty that way he won’t feel beneath Emma, since she’s a Princess. Seriously, show they must really want us to love Bae, not that I didn’t already, but I think he definitely wins the suckiest back story of any character on the show.
