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@TheGoldenKey wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

After watching 2×4, The Crocodile, we know Captain Hook followed a magical bean, which opened an underwater vortex to Neverland. The title for 2×7 is Into the Deep, and I think it may refer to the crew’s journey to Neverland and what happened after Hook’s ship pulled into port there.

Maybe we’ll meet a certain mermaid. I could see the writers easily blending the mermaids of Neverland with The Little Mermaid fairy-tale.

I think that fits in well with the story line. Would like to see the two paired together!

Yes, before The Crocodile, I saw some theories out there that maybe they would pair up Hook and Ariel. I thought that was interesting idea since I read something here or in the chat about Hook concealing his identity in Peter Pan because he was a nobleman. So I thought it would be interesting if Killian Jones was just an alias, and he really was Prince Eric too because I think Colin O’Donoghue looks like he could be Prince Eric too, and it would be one way to redeem Hook if Ariel turned out to be his true love.

Then, they made Milah his true love, I guess, I’m not really sure. I’m assuming that they are. During the break when we were discussing who Milah might turn out to be since the only think we knew about her was that she was a bored housewife and mother, I thought that she could be Hook’s true love, then I changed my mind later on. I guess I was right, but it didn’t really live up to my expectations at all. While I could see Milah falling for Hook, (goodness knows I did), I don’t know why Hook would fall for Milah. Yes, she was beautiful, but I’m sure he could find plenty of women just as beautiful that don’t have such a horrific personality. I mean I felt bad for her because she obviously trapped in a marriage that it didn’t seem like she ever wanted to be in anyways, and she did try to get Rumple to meet her halfway. So I could see why she ran away, and why maybe she justified not telling Rumple and Bae the truth because it was kinder to have them think that she was kidnapped than her abandoning them. Her personality at the tavern though was just so awful that instead of being this strong woman that was trapped in a loveless marriage who always wanted to see the world that I could have seen Hook falling for, all I saw was a major rhymes with witch, and felt that Hook was out of his mind if Milah was supposed to be his true love. You could have done so much better Hook even if you are a bully. Now you look weaker to me than pre-Dark One Rumple. lol, the funny thing is that it seems like I hate Milah, but I really don’t because I totally get why she was the way she was. I just don’t understand why they had to make Hook and Milah true love.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Also, I wonder if Baelfire’s bean led him to Neverland, so that he became Peter Pan. If Bae finds out about his mother, Milha, running off with Killian, I could see that sparking the famous rivalry between Peter Pan and Hook. Peter might blame Hook for taking away his mother.

Yes, I believe that as well slurpeez and posted about it in another thread. As well, will Hook tell Bae about Rumple murderous his mother? That would add more layers of frustration, resentment and anger to the Bae & Rumple story.[/quote]

Yes, I’m definitely concerned about who tells Bae about Rumple murdering Milah. I think that Rumple should just come clean with Bae even if it means Bae hates him forever, not that Bae doesn’t already have enough reasons to hate his father, but at least Rumple wouldn’t be a coward about it. It’s just going to be so much worse for Bae and in turn Rumple if it comes from someone else especially Hook.

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@Faux Pax wrote:

I’ll admit, this epp gave credence to the idea that Bae is Peter. I really hope he isn’t. First off, I think I would feel cheated if he got sent to a world WITH magic. Second, Bae and Peter have vastly different personalities. Bae is kind and rather unselfish; Peter….well, not so much. Third; I don’t want the reunion between Rumple and Bae to happen when he’s a kid. For the drama to play out best, he has to have had a lot of time to let his hurt stew. And because people don’t age in Neverland, i’m thinking time doesn’t really pass the same either.

Yes, they definitely hinted that Bae could have went to Neverland with his magic bean in this episode. I’m not sure if those are clues or just misdirection. It makes sense for Peter and Hook to hate each other if Bae turns out to be Peter because Bae might blame Hook for Milah abandoning him, and Hook might hate Bae because Bae reminds him of the man who murdered Milah. However, I think they’re going to save the Bae finds out who killed Milah bombshell for later on this season, and while that doesn’t necessarily rule out Bae being Peter, I’m not sure why Hook wouldn’t have just taunted Bae about who murdered his mom in Neverland.

I agree though that I don’t like the Bae is Peter theory for the same reasons. Unfortunately, I could actually see them changing it about where he went since it seems to be a pattern on the show that if the Blue Fairy says something to a character, it actually means the opposite. However, I don’t think that Bae has ever seemed like Peter on the show so far whereas with Dr. Whale and August, there were personality hints about who they really were. Bae and Peter just seem like total opposites at least in how Peter is usually portrayed. I guess his personality could change, but what we’ve seen of poor Bae, especially if Mysterious Man is Bae, he’s never seemed carefree and immature like a Peter Pan type of character. I could be totally wrong about episode six, but even when he’s out there being a thief of some kind, it seems like he’s still trying to act responsible by either marry Emma and/or save her from the life of crime that he’s got involved with neither of which sound very Peter Pan like to me.

If Bae was Peter he would never have grown up, never matured, and never really let that anger come to a boil.

Not really connected to the Peter Pan theory, but I still seen people after this past episode hope that Bae is still the same age as when he left when they reunite so that Rumple get a family with Belle and Bae. I just cannot see that at all after last night’s episode because I think revealing what Rumple did to a young Bae would just be wrong not that I want to see older Bae learn the truth, but I know it’s going to happen eventually and an older Bae could handle it better, at least as well as one can, after finding out something like that.

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Still stalking, and I came across this interesting tweet tonight.

#Oncers Tonights episode is going to be EPIC. Don’t want to miss this one. Trust me #OnceUponATime

He’s hyped the show, but never like this, so I wonder if it’s because ABC made a big deal about Hook being on the show and he’s excited too. Or if it’s because it deals with his character’s back story too. I mean it is pretty epic if this is where we found out that his mom ran off with Captain Hook, then his dad killed his mom later on by ripping her heart out, and that his character may have traveled to Neverland since Hook’s magic bean takes him there.

Just thought I’d put it out there.

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http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Spoilers-Horowitz-Kitsis-1054834.aspx

I’m glad that TV Guide does this and that K&H agree to do so. Another lightning round!

Was it Aurora’s (Sarah Bolger) mother that Regina (Lana Parrilla) was referring to back in Season 1 who got the best of Maleficent (Kristin Bauer)?
Edward Kitsis: Yes.

Might we ever see that?
Adam Horowitz: We might!

Is there ever a chance for romance between Emma (Jennifer Morrison) and August (Eion Bailey)?
Kitsis: I would say that Emma is definitely going to have some interesting suitors this year, but August has, so far, been such a big brother to her that I’m not sure that those two are meant to be. But it’s a TV show; you never know!
Horowitz: We haven’t seen the last of those two together on the show.

Once Upon a Time’s Jane Espenson: Snow and Emma’s journey will be a long one

Would the consequences be as severe if Regina left Storybrooke considering she doesn’t have an alter-ego memory?
Hororwitz: No. It would not be as severe.

Will other characters cross into fairy-tale land?
Hororwitz: We take the fifth.

Will Belle (Emilie de Ravin) ever confront Regina for locking her up?
Hororwitz: She should!

Even though Cora (Barbara Hershey) says she killed Lancelot (Sinqua Walls), have we seen the last of him?
Horowitz: No.
Kitsis: Why does everyone just believe what Cora says? Not one person on the blogs have doubted Cora, as if she’s the most trustworthy character that we have! She’s not Snow White, for God’s sake!

Could Cora have good intentions?
Hororwitz: I think everybody thinks they do.

Going back to Lancelot, is there a chance of seeing Guinevere or Arthur?
Kitsis: There is a chance of seeing it, perhaps this season, but definitely someday we will.

Will we ever see flashbacks to pre-Emma Storybrooke when the curse was intact?
Horowitz: We’re very interested in that period as well.

Once Upon a Time: Now that the curse has been broken, the real trouble begins

Will we see how Henry (Jared Gilmore) ended up in Storybrooke?
Kitsis: Yes, it’s just a matter of when.

Is King George (Alan Dale) still hell-bent on revenge?
Kitsis: Oh yeah! Keep watching!

ETA: I forgot to add that this means FireWood is still possible! 😆 That’s the best ship name ever in OUaT. I’m so happy that it was created at the forums here. Everyone is incredible here. 😀

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@Phee wrote:

Though trapped in FTL, Snow eventually figures out a way to communicate with Charming and “that’s going to change everything.”

Hmmmm.

Also, that pic with their reflections is awesome!

Yes, it is an awesome picture. I’m also intrigued by how they’re going to communicate with each other and what it implies. Maybe they’re going to be trapped in FTL longer than I thought if they introduce this way of communicating with each other.

If Hansel’s and Gretel’s magic compass is the compass that they’re looking for in episode 6, I wonder if that what changes everything since it’s in Storybrooke. Also, I just read a theory today, but can’t find it now that Hansel and Gretel’s mother’s name in Storybrooke was Dory Zimmer which could point towards Dorothy Gale, since her name means Dorothy from the house up above, so maybe that’s how Oz ties into this season too if their mom was the Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz.

I thought this was a really interesting spoiler too,

…and what happens when a regular person from our world stumbles onto Storybrooke.

I would guess that person could only be after three people either Emma, Bae, or August. I would have to guess Bae just because some people found that the Mysterious Man kept looking around a lot, which could mean that people are after him, and the casting call did say that “Jack” was on the run from his past in a dangerous land. I thought Bae was done with his life of crime at this point if he was ready to make an honest woman out of Emma, 10 years ago, but even if he isn’t committing crime now, I could see old enemies still wanting to hurt him for whatever reason.

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@TheDarkOne wrote:

These sneak peeks are giving me a serious case of Rumpel feels. Thank you so much for posting.

I know! I wasn’t going to watch them because I’ve stopped watching the clips after the first episode because I wanted to wait to see everything in context. Then, this morning I saw that about Hook, and I couldn’t stop myself from watching them all.

There’s also one more out there with Belle and Ruby that’s really cute. It looks like they become real friends and not just friends because Ruby wants to see what Rumple maybe up to.

I don’t mean to state the obvious, but Milha is a…well…she’s a word that I don’t feel comfortable saying right now. 😆 But at least she got serious for Bae. Hopefully, she won’t break his heart. I’d hate for Bae to have had two parents who abandoned him.

Yes, so apparently we were wrong about Rumple deserting the war to save her. I really liked that plot twist, but at least Milah comes off looking a little bit better now not much but slightly better, imo. I can understand her being upset and taking it out on Rumple since everyone in their village is ostracizing her because he’s the village coward, and they probably couldn’t divorce back then. Plus, she did run to Bae as soon as she saw him, so that counts for something right now to me.

So now I do wonder if she really did willingly runaway or if she was abducted? Before this clip, I could see her wanting to ditch Rumple and Bae behind, but after seeing this clip, I don’t know if she would leave her son behind forever for Hook. Her husband definitely, but her son, I don’t know.

Either way, I have to say it again, “poor Bae”. Even if his mom was abducted and didn’t abandon him, I can’t even imagine how scarred he was from having to see/hear all that, and then all the events that scarred him later on.

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@Phee wrote:

@AntBee wrote:

I guess they did do something to create sympathy for Milah then if it’s true. She probably thought that she was being seduced by Hook to be with him, but then when she is taken back to his ship, he lets his crew have their ways with her. They either kill her during the process or she commits suicide because of the shame she feels like she blamed herself for what happened. 😥

If that is indeed what happened, and he tricked her into it, then he’s despicable. But I’m thinking it’s possible that he was just saying that to Rumple to upset him a bit more, (coz he gets off on upsetting people, especially the husbands of women he’s shagging), when it actual fact Milah is there willingly and is Killian’s mistress and the rest of the crew dare not touch her. So I’m reserving my judgement until I see how it plays out.

True. I hope that’s what he’s doing. I think it could go either way though because the show went there with Regina making Graham her love slave. People still cheer for her character, and unfortunately I don’t think there would be much outcry if they do end up having that be true about what Hook does to women he bring aboard.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

In one of the promos we see a body being dumped off of the side of the ship. Could that be Milah’s body?

So far, it appears Hook lures women in and makes them feel special then brings them aboard his ship to provide “companionship” for his crew.

Wow! So it is true. I was looking through my Tumblr and found several people speculating about something that would be a dealbreaker for their love of Hook as a villain if the show was implying what they think they were implying. He really is worse than Rumple if it’s true. No wonder Lana Parrilla thought that Regina and Hook would make a good pairing.

I guess they did do something to create sympathy for Milah then if it’s true. She probably thought that she was being seduced by Hook to be with him, but then when she is taken back to his ship, he lets his crew have their ways with her. They either kill her during the process or she commits suicide because of the shame she feels like she blamed herself for what happened. 😥

Not a spoiler just very disturbing Not that Bae would ever do something like that, but the real Neal Cassady first experience with a woman was provided by his father in similar manner to what might have happened to Milah. He and his father went to a friend of his father's to play cards, and the friend had several large sons. Things got really out of hand which lead to the men holding down any sisters small enough to hold down and Cassady joined in. So Hook does remind me of the real Neal Cassady's father if it's true of what he does to women he brings back to his ship, but I still don't think they'll have Bae turn out to be his son at this point.

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@charming wrote:

I have loathed the idea that Bae is Henry’s Dad since someone brought it up as a theory and has now spread like a skin infection. Yes, it seems to be headed to the fact that it can be true. It is a shark jumper in my opinion. Once you start making everyone related or everyone on the show starts dating and marrying on another; this seems to be true throughout TV history.

All the main characters are already interconnected to each other, and then the minor characters become interconnected to all the other main characters after interacting with just one main character, so for me Bae being Henry’s father wouldn’t put the show into shark jumping territory.

I mean Rumple helped but didn’t force Regina down the Evil Queen path that she chose, probably in order to enact the Curse he created to find his son. He’s helped Snowing become a couple, so that their child Emma could break the Curse he created to find his son. He helped procure Henry for Regina while he was under his own Curse. So even if he’s not Henry’s grandpa, he’s always been connected to all the other core cast members. Obviously, Regina and the Charmings have been connected with each other ever since Regina rescued Snow from her runaway horse. So these connections aren’t going away soon. That’s why I don’t think Bae being Henry’s father would be overkill, and in fact for me, it would fit right in with all the other connections. Plus, it gives everyone a reason to join together against a common foe. Rumple might help save Henry against Cora and/or Hook because he doesn’t want either of those two around, but then again, Rumple being Rumple, he could just stay out of it or pick whatever side was better for him at the time not necessarily the Charmings. However, if Henry is his grandson, then he definitely has to become allies with the Charmings and probably Regina at the time against Cora and Hook.

Further, there’s also the criticism that it’s too coincidental, but again I think it relates back to everyone being connected. Like Rumple procuring Henry for Regina was awfully coincidental, but it’s a show about fate, destiny, and fairy tales, so under that context Bae meeting up with Emma, and being the father of Henry makes a lot of sense because she was the Cursebreaker, and he’s the reason for the Curse. Plus, magical people may just feel a certain pull towards one another in our world that lead them to each other.

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@zlfh4 wrote:

notice there was never a casting call for QoH so either it is going to be the same actress who played her last time or Cora..my bet is Cora!!

Yes, I think last time they just hid her face so it would be a surprise, and maybe because they couldn’t get Barbara Hershey to come film because of her schedule. It’s most likely they just wanted to keep it a surprise that Cora ended up becoming the Queen of Hearts.

I wonder how Michael Raymond-James fits into the episode then. (Oh no, now they’re making me wonder if he really is the White Rabbit.) Maybe he’s not in it as much as I thought he was going to be, and we see him either entering Storybrooke or leaving NYC to go to Storybrooke.

If Bae arrives around the same time Cora and Hook get there, if Emma and company didn’t stow away on Hook’s ship, I could see that working out for him because everyone would be so focused on Cora and Hook that they probably wouldn’t notice him for awhile as long as he acted normal well normal by Storybrooke standards.

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