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@Mondschnee wrote:
I thought Bae was supposed to be in a land, where magic didn´t exist. So his father would be normal again.
But that would mean he can´t be in Wonderland, because magic definitly exists in Wonderland (you don´t die if they cut up your head).
Or did I remember something wrong?No, you remembered right. There are some fans who believe that because Rumple did not go with Bae like he was suppose to that the bean then took Bae somewhere else that did have magic because Bae’s situation had changed. Then, there are others like me who aren’t fond of the idea right now because it seems like a cheat to say that he was going to go someplace that didn’t have magic, but then change it later on.
Not that they couldn’t do it, and maybe I might end up liking whatever they do if Bae went to Neverland, Wonderland, Oz, etc., but I still believe he just came here sometime in the mid 1990s, ended up in foster care, and probably met Emma in foster care.
[adrotate group="5"]@Josephine wrote:
Bee, all that time stalking and they release the info. That name makes me feel like he should be a member of the Partridge Family. (Come on, I can’t be the only one who thought this.)
lol, well at least I knew when he is working on OUaT, and I knew that he was working on the show around the time they were filming episode 6 before we got official confirmation. So at least all of stalking wasn’t for nothing.
Maybe it’s a little to easy. I don’t know. They never reveal stuff like this, but maybe they’re not worried about the internet public since the majority of viewers aren’t in the fandom.
Yes, I always see fans write that, and while it does seem a little too easy, I doubt people who don’t pay attention to the Internet really care if the cast list is revealed, and then they reveal Mysterious Man’s name in a summary later on. They probably still don’t even know that the identity of Henry’s father is going to be revealed this episode.
Also, since Neal Cassady is an obvious alias, there’s still people on the Internet guessing he’s going to be Jack or someone other than Bae, so I guess for those that really hate the idea of Mysterious Man being Bae, they’re still sticking to their guns.
MR-J does not look like a Neal. But him and August both having literary names confirms, in my mind, that they know each other. My theory is that they met in Phuket. I can’t see Henry’s father knowing about the baby and setting up the adoption. I just can’t imagine it.
True, but I could definitely see why he chose the name Neal Cassady since Cassady was so influential to so many people. Maybe he saw himself as sort of a kindred spirit to those Beat poets, and it helped romanticize the committing crime so that he wouldn’t feel as guilty about doing so since he probably didn’t have a whole lot of choice anyway. From the synopsis and seeing him in present day, I don’t think he enjoyed his life of crime at all, although I could be wrong, and I think that maybe he needed to justify it in some way to himself.
If he did travel around as much as the real Cassady, there’s a good chance that he and August met up in Phuket. He did have that air mail envelope in his apartment, but I wasn’t sure if that was for him because of work or for him personally.
I don’t think he knows about Henry at all. I still believe that Henry was brought to Storybrooke because of the Curse doing so not because of Bae because there’s no way he would hand over anyone to his dad knowing how his dad changed. I also don’t think that Bae got Emma pregnant on purpose in order to break the Curse. It’s just a really disturbing idea, imo, and while Bae maybe a conman, I don’t think he’s some kind of mastermind that would do something like that to Emma and his child.
However, maybe August set up the adoption. He’d be around 24 or 25 at the time and maybe he thought he should check up on Emma because he abandoned his mission to take care of baby Emma and make sure she broke the curse. He could be feeling guilty and through his tracking found out she was pregnant and when she gave the baby up, somehow made it so baby Henry ended up in Storybrooke. That way it would be a link to where she was supposed to return in the future and break the curse. Maybe he felt that was enough and went out of her life until he returned. He could have felt that he was doing enough to ease his guilty conscience.
I think August had enough to be feel guilty about with abandoning Emma instead of doing what Gepetto and The Blue Fairy wanted him to do, not that I blame him at least at that point in his life, and for not seeking Emma sooner to help her out when he was older and stable enough to have reached out to her. So I don’t think he was involved with Henry’s adoption either.
Maybe his teenage bride is Loretta – they separated or something before he meets Emma. He then tries to marry Emma and it comes out he’s still married to Loretta – can’t see Emma taking that well.
lol, I already looked up her picture back when the cast list was released, and figured that she was going to be a social worker or something like that. She might be the oldest looking teenage bride if that’s who Loretta really is. 😆
From the cast list and the summary, it seems like robbing some type of business, I’m guessing gas station/convenience store, is what leads to Emma going to jail. Did Neal just take off when the cops arrived leaving Emma to hold the bag? Or was it going to be one last crime thing before they start their new lives, but he never showed up so she did it alone but it didn’t work out because it needed to be a two person job type of thing? Did he get caught before her someplace and rat her out to get a lighter sentence?
Or maybe as Lil’Red suggested before he ratted her out because that was the only way he thought he could help her stop committing crime? Actually, he would have been right if he had believed that, but I could see why Emma would hate him for betraying her like that. I think I like this theory the best because while Bae would still be a conman/criminal guy, who probably shouldn’t have turned in his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend at that point in time, it makes him look like a jerk but not too much of a jerk. Plus, I don’t think it’s as cliche as him already being married or him running out when they were about to be caught to let Emma take the blame, and in a way, he would be like his dad in that they started out having good intentions about doing something to help out someone they loved but it backfires and everyone’s miserable afterwards.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
My jaw just hit the floor; I can’t believe they released the mysterious man’s name before the episode airs!
I know! I can’t believe that they would release it this early. To me, I think it potentially gives away a lot of clues as to his identity and who sent the postcard, so I thought they would definitely try to keep it hidden for as long as possible.
Although Cassady did not attend Columbia, he soon became friends with them and their acquaintances, some of whom later became members of the Beat Generation.
I wonder if that’s why those chose NYC for “Neal” to live in. I know the real Cassady moved out west later, perhaps that’s why “Neal” has posters of the Southwest in his apartment. Plus, I could see an older Bae telling Emma about how they should go out west and impressing her with his worldly knowledge of things like beat poetry and poets.
This seems to support the idea that fictional “Neal” is going to propose to a teenaged Emma, based on the episode description about a fellow thief wanting to make an honest woman out of her.
Hopefully, Bae’s life won’t follow the real Neal Cassady’s life; although, maybe the Swan Queen shippers would be happy if Bae, Emma, and Regina entered into a bigamist marriage. 😀
This makes me wonder if Emma actually was married to Henry’s father for a brief period, before having the marriage annulled. Perhaps he ended up married to someone else, but had an affair with Emma later on after she got out of jail. It’ll depend on how much the writers want to draw from Cassady’s real life as inspiration for Emma Swan’s and “Neal’s” lives.
Yes, I hope they don’t have him married to Emma or anyone else and make him too much like the real Neal Cassady; although, it’s certainly possible that he could have been.
Also, does him being named Neal Cassady mean it’s more likely that he’s Peter Pan too or less likely? Cassady did seem like a real life Peter Pan in many ways, so if they use a lot of Cassady’s life as inspiration for Bae’s life, it’s possible that could be a hint. On the other hand, the man in the apartment and from the episode description, doesn’t seem too much like the real Cassady did, imo, so maybe “Neal Cassady” is just Bae and not also Peter Pan.
I like that idea a lot! If August and Neal were friends who both like literature, it’d explain a lot. Perhaps Pinocchio chose August Wayne Booth as his pen name, since it’s an allusion to the literary critic Wayne Booth. Similary, Baelfire might’ve chosen the name Neal Cassady because he liked the book On the Road. My only question is why Emma never met August before he came to SB, since she obviously knew “Neal” and had a child with him. Maybe “Neal” met August after Emma was already out of the picture, which is when Baelfire realized August is actually Pinocchio from FTL, just like him.
Yes, I think they likely met after Emma and Bae parted.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I also wonder if the hearts belong to people left in SB, FTL-present, or both. I have a feeling one belongs to Kathryn since we saw her heart being framed as evidence of her murder. I hope that Henry demands Regina give back those hearts. She is one twisted lady, especially if she keeps them.
Yes, giving back those hearts should have been the number one priority for her, imo, if she’s really serious about redeeming herself. In fact, she needs to get rid of those snakes and anything else that she’s used before down in the vault in her evil schemes.
People are making excuses that she didn’t have enough time yet to give back the hearts, but I think that should have been a top priority over cleaning out her office. I’m really interested in seeing if she finally does give back those hearts this season, I’m guessing no because she’s Regina, but we’ll see.
Here it is as promised,
Along with the link to the article about it, http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Jorge-Garcia-1054638.aspx, Looks like he’s a real giant after all not just a symbolic one.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
@Dorothy wrote:
Reading all these theories just gave me one of my own: what if Rumple ran away from the ogres war to save his wife from running off with Hook? 😮
That…actually makes a lot of a sense. It would be tragic though. It would be sad to see that Rumpel earned his reputation as a coward by actually doing something brave and noble. 😥
I know!!! 😥 Why did you come up with this theory, Dorothy, when I already have too many sad feelings about that spoiler picture of Rumple and Bae that is out there?!? 😥
Seriously, though, it makes a lot of sense that they would make Rumple’s story even more tragic by adding that detail to it. I really does hope it comes true now. (Hopefully, I’ll be able to type through the tears that I’m sure to have next Sunday to congratulate you on being right.)
@Lil’Red wrote:
It does feel like they keep getting better, and have this mounting intensity! I really don’t know if I can stand where we’re going to be by episode 6 – too much…overload! 😆
I remember the creators talking in an interview that the important thing is to give the audience a couple of answers and then pile on a lot more questions – JOB WELL DONE, GUYS!
Yes, I was worried about where they were going with the show now that the Curse was broken, but I’m really enjoying season 2 so far.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Also, the way that “fellow thief” hint is worded makes me wonder exactly which thief wants to marry Emma: Jack/Baelfire or Captain Hook. Perhaps both propose to her at different points in history. While I like the theory about Jack being Baelfire and possibly proposing to a teenaged Emma, it could also be Captain Hook who makes a play for Emma in present-day EF. At first, he may try to romance her simply to get the compass. Even if he’s not serious about marrying Emma at this point, I think Hook will sincerely be besotted by Emma, will eventually purse her romantically and even travel back to SB with her.
I could definitely see Hook proposing something to Emma, but I doubt it’s marriage at this point. I do think he’ll try to romance her, but I can’t really see him asking her to marry him unless he was being facetious.
There are a lot of good reasons to hope Henry’s biological dad is Baelfire. I think there’s a chance that Captain Hook is Baelfire’s biological dad, which could possibly make Captain Hook Henry’s actual grandfather. Then, to make matters even more complicated, if and when Bae comes to SB, I think both he and Captain Hook might pursue Emma, which would be very strange if they’re actually father and son (maybe unknowingly so).
Before I thought that Hook might be Bae’s dad or at least someone other than Rumple because it would make Bae even more like Henry, but also show that adopted parents are wonderful parents too since there’s still a lot of controversy over how they portray Regina’s relationship with Henry and how the show portrays foster care systems in general. Now though, I’m not sure about another who’s your daddy storyline involving Bae only this time with him in another role. I think it might be overkill since they’re introducing so many new mysteries and characters.
Plus, personally I guess I would be a little grossed out if Emma had intimate contact with both Henry’s grandfather and father. I know I may seem hypocritical since a lot of people who don’t want Bae to be Henry’s father complain that it makes everyone too connected, but it’s just weird to me.
Further, while I do think Swanfire will be endgame. This season if Mysterious Man is Bae, he just did not look like a guy who is in the place right now to pursue anyone romantically. Maybe I read him wrong or he’ll change later on in the season to pursue Emma, but he seems resigned to a life of loneliness and even if he gets over that, for at least this season, I think he’s going to be pretty ticked off with Emma about keeping Henry a secret for quite awhile. He’ll probably be get jealous over Hook and maybe whoever else tries to pursue Emma, but other than that, I think there’s too many problems to work out first before he feels confident enough to take the next step.
Sadly, I think Cora will join them on their return voyage to SB. I think she and Hook are working together against a common enemy. Both Cora and Hook have the extra motivation to go to SB to get revenge against Rumpel for what he did to each of them.
Yes, I can see all or at least most of the refugees leaving what’s left of their world and going to Storybrooke on Captain Hook’s boat. I also definitely see Cora and Hook working together against Rumple too, but I think Cora is just going to be against everyone when she gets her power back especially Regina.
@Faux Pax wrote:
God i hope not. There have been soooo many SwanFire hints…
Yes, I don’t think that the dad can be anyone but Mysterious Man aka Baelfire. I even looked up the other actors’ pictures that are listed, and none of them look like there’s any chance that they could be the father. Of course, all the fire hints related to Henry’s dad like him being a fireman and his arrow being on fire in the People magazine pictures, and the parallels between the openings of season 1 and season 2 between Emma and Mysterious Man.
Also, if Hook was Henry’s dad, if he could just travel between worlds, then it would be simple for him to leave whatever is left of the Magical Worlds and all the harsh conditions like the ogres coming back and whatnot since he doesn’t seem like the noble type that sticks around to help others but is more of a guy that is about having a good time at least based on the pictures from The Crocodile where it appears he laughs at Rumple in front of young Bae.
@hjbau wrote:
I like that idea. George knows that Charming has a wolf on his side. I like the idea that they would try and separate Snow and Charming from their allies.
Yes, I like that idea too. Plus, it makes someone else really evil not just a little evil or trying to be a redeemed villain, but a true bad guy, since there’s a vacuum right now especially if we find out in episode 8 what caused Cora to turn bad.
