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From a recent podcast,
Estelle: And at the beginning of the episode we see Pinocchio blink, but when Gepetto looks for him at the end of the episode, he’s gone. Why didn’t Pinocchio look for Gepetto?
Eddie: That is a great question. The question is: why didn’t he want to see his father? And is it because he has an agenda? Is it because he’s ashamed? So I think that’s kind of one of the mysteries we have starting the new season.
Adam: Yeah, I mean, we see that after the curse broke he was still wood, and the unfortunate thing for him, apparently, is that he turned completely to wood before the curse broke. So that’s what he was, and now, when he blinks we realize, you know, he’s alive and something’s going on with him.
Eddie: We saw in his episode last year, the Blue Fairy said ‘as long as you’re brave, unselfish, and true, you can be a real boy’ and he is no longer a real man, so perhaps his task that he was meant to do, he came to it too late and now he’s paying the price for it.
Estelle: I feel like he was brave last year, though.
Eddie: Well, he was brave, sure, but you know, he also abandoned Emma. And he abandoned the mission and he went off to Pukhet to have fun, so.
Adam: Why that happened and what happened to him is something that we intend to get to.
Eddie: Yes.
Adam: To show you, this is not the last you will be seeing of our Pinocchio character.So maybe he did go to NYC to bring Bae to Storybrooke because he thinks that they can work together on some kind of plan to fix everything. And/or he thinks that if helps reunited Bae and Rumple, Rumple would then help bring Emma back since August probably doesn’t know about the whole memory wipe thing if he took for NYC right after he found he could move.
I can just imagine Bae coming home and finding a giant wooden puppet outside of his apartment. (Shudder.) He’ll probably be like, “this is why I hate effing magic.”
I don’t know someone on Tumblr speculated that Eion Bailey’s new hairstyle is for flashbacks, so maybe episode 8 is about Captain Hook or Cora, and episode 9 could be about Pinocchio, and we get to see when he and Bae met up. I’d rather episode 9 be Bae-centric, but they might hold off doing that until the second part of the season.
I doubt that Disney would allow them to go there with Pinocchio, but the Phuket mention made me think that instead of there, they should have picked Fire Island just for more Firewood, jokes that we could do on here, lol. Seriously, I want Bae and August to have a bromance at least like Rumple and Charming have.
[adrotate group="5"]@Lil’Red wrote:
Antbee – everything in that post is golden!
Thanks. 😀
Really think Barrett is going to be Merlin – and a future villain for next season. It wouldn’t be expected for Merlin to be working against ONCE’s ‘good’ guys. Also (since it will probably occur to Rumple at some point this season that he has to ‘change’ to keep Belle, win over Baelfire, and take care of his grandson) I can see Merlin being quite an adversary for him – imagine Rumple going up against someone of equal power and intelligence? 😮
Quinn, Barrett, and Anita would likely fit the theme that magic is a drug that gets too easily abused in Fairy Tale Land. Of course, it seems like they might be naturally magical at least perhaps Quinn and Anita are and didn’t choose to use it like Rumple and Regina, so it will be interesting to see how that unfolds next season if that’s the direction the show is going in.
If Rumple ‘changes’ (not selflessly, but in trying to keep everyone he loves with him), and Regina ‘changes’ to try to please Henry – where have all our villains gone? And aren’t we getting ready to fight some ‘final battle’ against unknown forces???
Yes, while I’m glad that the villains are becoming layered, I do think at some point they need to stop going back to see what caused the evil because it looks like we’re going to see what caused Cora to choose the dark side, and it will turn out to be something traumatic that happened to her caused by a new character possibly her father because in the original Miller’s daughter tale, he was the one that lied about her spinning gold abilities. Then we’ll go back to see what caused that new character and on and on. It works out fine now, but eventually, I just rather have them go back to possibly the original source of this dark magic, and have that be the really big bad or something like that.
You’ve just single-handedly proven that he can’t be Bae.
LOL, well they do love to throw in their twists, but there’s been long term mysteries that I think fans have gotten right so far too. So I think it can still go either way.
For instance, August being Pinocchio is one of the major mysteries that several people got right. Even though I really wanted him to be Bae because I’ve never been a Pinocchio fan and that clouded my judgement at the time, in hindsight it seems perfectly obvious that he was Pinocchio and not Bae. The first major clue that the writers even pointed out as to who he really was him lying about lemurs being in Nepal, and why would Bae even have been connected to lemurs or Nepal. In fact, I admit I just ignored that evidence to make him fit being Bae. Then, there were all the other little clues like his leg pains. I tried to write those off as fitting the injury we saw Bae get, but yes, it really didn’t make as much sense as him turning back to wood did.
Also, now it seems to be all but confirmed that Cora was going to turn out to be the mysterious Queen of Hearts in “Hat Trick”. I know that I and several other fans had theorized that she would turn out to be the Queen of Hearts because of her name, the fact that she got so angry at Jefferson calling Regina, the Queen, that she had some kind of rivarly with Regina, and the fact that they both owned similar looking vaults.
Or the Dr. Whale theory. A lot of people have already guessed that he’s Dr. Frankenstein even before the major spoilers came out, and it looks like they are going to be right about that.
Not that fans get it right, right away, but eventually they do. So this Mysterious Man might not be Bae, but imo, since they’ve already used this trick very recently with them making us think it’s Bae and then it turns out not to be him, I don’t think they’re going to use that trick again, at least this soon. More importantly though, I think it has to be Bae just because I think that there’s other bigger mysteries that are coming up this season like what went on between Rumple and Cora or who/what caused parts of Fairy Tale Land to survive, and why some people got left there while others were brought here, to drag out the Bae mystery any longer. Plus, I don’t think they would give the season opening spot to introduce a character that wasn’t that important. Not to say that the White Rabbit or whomever that’s not Bae couldn’t be, but since the Bae mystery was one of the bigger mysteries last season and Rumple losing Bae was the whole point of the Curse in the first place, I think it’s most likely he’ll be Bae.
The potential twists can come afterwards now like if he’s Henry’s dad. Or the twist that Emma maybe the only person that can go find him. Or the twist that perhaps he’ll sneak into Storybrooke with Emma gone because then he wouldn’t get outed for not really being from Storybrooke, and Rumple still thinks he’s outside of Storybrooke.
This was the casting call for “Jack”, who I think is Bae/Henry’s dad
the role of [JACK] is being cast (as a “guest role with option”). He’s in his 20s or 30s, charismatic, sexy and mysterious, but also loyal and kind, and he’s running from his past in a land full of danger.
It is slightly different than the casting call for Barrett, but I figure that’s because they were trying to be more secretive about the casting of “Jack”. Heck they haven’t even announced if “Jack” has been cast or not, although I assume that MR-J is Jack, despite the fact that they’ve announced pretty much every other character who had a casting call at this point.
Also, they could be setting up Barrett to be the villain for next season, so even though he might appear to be good or at least not working directly against the good guys this season, it makes sense that they lay the groundwork this season for who the big bad or at least one of the villains is next season.
For instance, right now it’s hard to tell if there’s only one really big bad this season or a several villains, but it seems like Cora could be. Of course, we were first introduced to her last year. Hook could also be, and while we didn’t meet him last year due to copyright problems, they did lay down the groundwork for something mysterious happening to Rumple’s wife. So now we find out that either she was abducted by Hook or most likely ran off with him.
Even if he’s not a villain next year, he could play an important role that’s being set-up now without necessarily being Bae/Henry’s dad. (Although my money is on him turning out to be a future bad guy because of the very dark side part of the casting call.)
I just think that there’s too many hints for Bae and Henry’s dad not to be one and the same. There’s all the outside canon hints like the most recent People magazine Easter Egg, or about how Henry’s father maybe someone we’ve already met on the show which realistically left only Bae because no one can leave Storybrooke so that eliminated all of those characters stuck in Storybrooke, and eliminated August and that cheating husband guy in the pilot since Emma would know who the father was if she saw him again. Then, there’s the wordplay hints within the show like Emma being a bailbondsperson, and her telling Henry the lie about his dad being a fireman. If you take that further, the fire escape playing a significant part of Mysterious Man’s very short scene could then be the big clue that was given as to who the Mysterious Man is.
Of course, speaking of Mysterious Man’s apartment, there’s the parallels between last year’s opening with introducing Emma on the job and then seeing her right after work alone in her apartment in Boston, and with this year’s opening with Mysterious Man just getting off work, presumably, and then ending up alone in his apartment in NYC.
He could just be Henry’s dad, but then he’d also have to be some kind of storybook character that got out for him to have received the postcard and understand what it meant. There could be other realm jumpers out there or he found out about Storybrooke somehow without being Bae, but I think it’s a lot simpler just to have him turn out to be Bae. There’s also the symmetry that goes along with Emma being the Cursebreaker, and Bae being the one that the Curse was suppose to find. Of course, Rumple would then be related to the other core character because he’s the only one that we know of right now that isn’t related by blood, marriage, or adoption to Emma, Henry, Snow, Charming, or Regina, which seems really weird, imo, because he’s been in so many other people’s stories and they’re all connected to each other through blood, marriage, or adoption yet he’s not (at least as of yet).
@Surayya wrote:
Yeah I noted that as well, it’s untidy like a childs, or injured/restricted/older persons hand 😉
I can’t find it on here now, so maybe it was someone else’s theory somewhere, but I read that there was a Storybrooke postcard in Marco’s workshop. I looked here, http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Marco/Gallery, but I can’t find anything even when I enlarged the photos of his workshop. I also didn’t find anything on Tumblr about it, and usually if there’s some kind of big piece of evidence about a popular theory, it’s on there. It doesn’t mean that there’s not a postcard in all of his stuff, but I was so excited at the possibility that there was actual evidence for August having written the postcard.
He was getting pretty desperate, so maybe before Emma broke the Curse, and he couldn’t function anymore, he sent off the pigeon to fool Bae into thinking it was okay for him to come (back) to Storybrooke that way Bae would be more likely to convince Emma about everything. Plus, one of the two best bets as to where one could procure a Storybrooke postcard, if Marco didn’t have one lying around, is either at the Sneezy’s store or at Granny’s Inn. The latter makes more sense to me because some inns/hotels already have postcards in the guests’ rooms along with the other free merchandise like a free pen, a sewing kit, a bottle of shampoo and conditioner, a bar of soap, etc.
@Lil’Red wrote:
I refuse to bend and think this is anything other than misdirection. Not Bae. Like you said – I expect Baelfire to be jaded by his father abandoning him for power, tormented and a variety of trust issues…
They’re just not going to give up until we know for sure that Mysterious Man is both Baelfire and Henry’s dad. In fact, if someone wanted to wager what color hair Barrett will have, I would probably take them up on the bet because until we know for sure about Mysterious Man Bae/Henry’s dad, I’m guessing they’ll keep casting guys with brown hair.
Also, I’m expecting the synopsis and promos for episode 6 and episode 9 to try to try to keep misdirecting fans. So I think episode 6, they’ll make it seem like someone else is the baby daddy like Captain Hook. Then, before episode 9 which I think will be Mysterious Man’s episode, they’ll try to throw people off that he’s someone other than Bae.
Honestly (and I’m going to have to go back and re-read Quinn’s bio) this sounds more like the Merlin I know. Highly intelligent. Does get credited for helping the ‘good’ guys through a lot of bad situations and can definitely be viewed as kind. But he is also capable of doing a lot of dark things as long as he felt they helped the greater good – for the kingdom. I’d kind of like to see Merlin coming off as an antagonist in ONCE- for awhile at least. 😀
I’m going to (for now) say that Quinn is really going to be the ONCE version of The Sorcerer’s Apprentice and Barrett is Merlin.
This makes the most sense to me since Quinn is suppose to be fairly young and in need of a group to protect him.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Isn’t Gorge Garcia just reporting to set for his costume changes now? Seems to me, that his appearance in OUAT coincides with the time that we find out who Henry’s father is and possibly what happened to Bae. I’m still hoping that he turns out to be Peter, but there are many things pointing to Jack.
Good point. Even if Bae isn’t Jack or the Jack, it seems like he’s definitely being linked to that story through the magic beans, NYC Giants (maybe), and we’ll most likely find out that Mysterious Man is the baby daddy in the Giant episode even if they don’t reveal his identity yet.
Oh that reminds me, I was thinking of those openings that we got from Comic Con. Wasn’t one of the new openings that hasn’t been used one of Emma’s VW Beetle, and people like me thought it had to do with her Beetle being Herbie? If they really use those openings this season, I think that’s probably the one for episode 6, and then the one with the giant beanstalk will be episode 9, where we finally get the backstory on Mysterious Man.
I really wish Tumblr was back online now. She doesn’t really come out and say it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yztW5gq2DaM, but at around the 4:49 mark, Craig Ferguson asks Ginnifer Goodwin if Rumple is his own grandfather, and she starts laughing and saying that he sort of is.
It seems like a giveaway to me but that could be because I’m so obsessed with finding out for sure. 😆 It might not be, but if it is a giveaway, I think it’s so small that casual fans wouldn’t get it anyways, so it’s not like she revealed something really major by accident.
In this story, they thought one of the clues was the French calendar on Mysterious Man’s apartment, and I was like French calendar, how could I have missed that. How sophisticated and arty of him, and maybe Bae could speak French with Belle and Moe.
Then, it turns out that it was just an album cover that’s already been pointed out and not a French calender. I know that WetPaint isn’t the most reliable site, but I thought they would have caught that since other stories examining Mysterious Man’s apartment have. Shame on them for getting my hopes too much by a new hint. 😀
The more I think about it the more I think our Mystery Man is Baelfire, Peter Pan and Henry’s dad. I do wonder if the bean took Bae to “a land without magic” or someplace he needed to be.
I keep going back and forth on this. I sort of want him to be just Bae because Emma is only Emma. If he has to be someone else, I’d rather he be Jack because he was connected to the magic beans, and he wouldn’t be the traditional Jack that we know. More importantly and I’m not sure I’m going to explain this right, but he’d still be Bae but known as Jack here whereas I think if he was Peter, he’d be Peter more than Bae.
Yes, that probably didn’t make sense, but I feel that Peter Pan just has all this mythology around it already that he’d be associated with being Peter more than Bae whereas the “Jack and the Beanstalk” story doesn’t really have that. Plus, Bae already fulfilled part of the Jack story already because he was naive like Jack in making a bad deal with his father and perhaps the Blue Fairy, if she has some kind of secret agenda going on, and he got the magic bean which lead him to a world full of giants. (Giant buildings, giant infrastructures, NY Giants, giant everything basically.)
Plus, while there wouldn’t be much age difference between the actors, it would still be a little too much like Rumbelle that Bae/Peter could be hundreds of years older than Emma if he was Peter Pan. One romance like that is fine, but I don’t want them to make Bae/Emma to be similar to Rumbelle in that way. Also, it seems so cliche for the female lead to get involved, break up, and then reunite with someone who has Peter Pan syndrome, so that’s another reason I’m not sure about the idea.
Sometimes the writing on the show isn’t exactly where it could be, I feel, so sometimes I’m worried about what they do. Sometimes I worry over nothing like Rumple turning out to be the Beast too. I don’t know. I admit there are a lot of clues that point towards Bae potentially being Peter, but I wonder if those are intentional or not because I’ve seen arguments with clues pointing towards him being the Wizard of Oz or now the White Rabbit or some other fairy tale character. So I won’t be surprised either way, I only hope that I like the end result.
The sign was put up by Studio 49 Ltd. (the company that produces OUAT in Canada). Also, Britannia Shipyard Heritage Park is in the City of Richmond, BC, which is right next to Steveston, the town setting of Storybrooke. This had better be Hook’s ship this time, and not filming for an unrelated commercial like the last time.
I think it’s real this time because I’ve heard reports of Cora and Hook filming together on a ship. There’s also rumors that Cora and Hook are working together which wouldn’t surprise me, and that’s another reason I just hope that Hook is into Emma and she flirts back maybe even kisses him once, but nothing really comes of it, because I think it makes her look dumb again if she has a relationship with Hook if he’s in cahoots with Cora.
There was also this recent quote from Lana,
TVLINE | I have to think that there will be some new and/or surprising allies for Regina in Storybrooke this season. It can’t just be her against everybody.
There is one, and it is a fairytale character that we do know. So, you’ll have to keep watching!It screams Hook to me since it says we know him, since we don’t know what fairy tale character MR-J might be yet. I guess it could be Dr. Whale, but they don’t seem like allies at all right now. Plus, after his reveal, I wonder if they’ll just have him return to how he was before in popping up once and awhile but mostly for humor.
@hjbau wrote:
I think they are both equally evil. Though i do think that all of Regina’s evil will be laid squarely at Rumpel’s feet. Meaning none of what happened to her would have happened without his intervention. I think Regina is redeemed and Rumpel is not.
Yes, I’m not sure if that’s what is going to happen in “We Are Both”, but it does feel that way. I really wish they wouldn’t go there because I think as we saw in “Stable Boy”, she made her own choices to choose evil. However, I think that they want people to keep guessing, so things will be reversed from last season. Just going by the promos I feel that Rumple will be the bigger bad this season while Regina may team up with the Charmings or at least refrain from harming them directly. However, she won’t be redeemed forever because there was a spoiler last season about how Emma would have to battle Regina in her Evil Queen mode, and since we haven't gotten that and probably won't get that this season, chances are good that Regina will go bad again probably by the end of the season to set up season 3 because I don't see her lasting that long trying to not harm the Charmings. I can just see Emma and Snow returning, and at first everyone sort of uneasily getting along, but she'll soon get jealous over Henry's affection towards his mom and grandmom, and something will cause her to snap again.
Plus, I think that after Rumple meets Bae again, things will go differently for him. I’m not saying that he won’t be evil anymore, but I think that moment will be similar to Regina’s moment with Henry at the end of “Broken”. I think Bae is going to be disgusted with his father’s actions, and hopefully that will make Rumple see the consequences of his actions. Right now he’s just so obsessed with reuniting with Bae that he can’t allow himself to think about anything else ever until that happens. It would serve him right if Bae turned out to have died before they’re reunited, but I think that would cause the end of whatever little humanity remains in Rumple now, so he won’t go that dark this early.
Of course, he won’t be redeemed either at least not yet, but I think that could be the tipping point for him so that next season he can either choose power again or start to let it go. Plus, if Bae is Henry’s father, he’ll at least leave the Charmings alone from now on and really become their ally instead of someone who helps them because it helps him, but I don’t think Regina could ever truly ally with Snow. They might be temporary allies sometime this season, but I think her hate for Snow will always be greater than any love she might have for Henry, so in the end she’ll make the wrong choices again. Not that Rumple won’t too, but Regina was someone who ripped out the heart of her own father even though he loved her, and he was the thing that she loved most, so I don’t really think one ever comes back from that no matter what the writers say about now that void is filled in her heart. Plus, even though Rumple isn’t excused for some of his actions against the Charmings, he’s at least also done some things to assist them even if he was doing so for his gain whereas Regina has always been against them.
Later on, I could see Regina sacrificing herself for Henry or even Snow, but even then while others might see it as her having been redeemed for her actions, it depends on how it happens and why as to whether I think she was truly redeemed even if she did sacrifice herself. Like she can’t just do it because the rest of her life is hopeless that she decides to martyr herself, you know, well at least to me I don’t think that would make her a redeemed character.
I could also see Rumple sacrificing himself to redeem himself, but like Josephine, I think if that happens, Belle will bring him back to life just like in the animated movie. Of course, this year I think that things will be reversed in that Rumple will seem worse, but by the end of the series, I really can’t see Regina ever truly having a happy ending unless she’s reunited with Daniel which means that she’s going to have to die either through her sacrifice or an ironic villain death whereas Rumple can still have a happy ending by surviving.
