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I was too lazy to go back and read the whole thread over the summer despite having lots of time waiting for the premiere, so I’m going to claim Mystery Man’s NYC apartment and everything in it before anyone else gets the chance to.
I also claim his postcard.
[adrotate group="5"]@Aslan4king wrote:
Being a Bae/Emma fan I think that Bae is still the father, and that this new character that was in the city is him. We were all wondering how they could elongate this without spoiling his identity quickly, well now we have a way. Emma is in the enchanted forest (or some part of it) and no one else knows about whom Henry’s father is. So now they could have Bae (If he’s the father) enter the scene and not reveal his identity for a while.
I also think that the person who sent Bae a message was August. There’s a strong possibility that the note could’ve been sent before the curse was broken, because august knew everything about the curse. We also don’t know how long the cloud was over the town, therefore making time irrelevant.
What do you guys think?
I think so too. The opening was my favorite part of the whole episode. Of course, I liked most of the episode, except for one or two parts, but out of the four new characters, Mysterious Man was by far by favorite. Not that I didn’t enjoy the Aurora, Prince Phillip, and Mulan scenes, but in just his brief scene even without any dialogue, I though Michael Raymond-James completely blew the other new actors out of the way.
He really nailed adult!Bae for me by being this sad, little boy still that’s just trying to survive in this crazy world.
I think they’ll have him come to Storybrooke probably seeking who sent him the postcard. I think it’s August; although, I’m not sure if he would be able to if he’s still in his wooden form, which I think he’s still in. If it wasn’t August, then it had to be the Blue Fairy, but it seems like Bae and August have to know each other because August had too many intimate details about how to trick Rumple that I don’t think the Blue Fairy could have filled him in on.
I agree. Everything seems to fit. And the actor we saw tonight even looked a bit like an older version of Dylan Schmid, who played Bae. Also, that room cluttered with a lot of old stuff like a rotary phone and a record player, reminded me a bit of Mr. Gold’s shop. It also stands to reason that if bae is Henry’s father, he must have had some knowledge of and/or connection to Storybrooke (possibly via August?) since otherwise it would be too much of a coincidence for him to just happen to meet Emma ten years ago.
Yes, if Bae is Henry’s father, then grandfather, father, and son all seem to be hoarders of old junk. Here’s a link to screencaps of his apartment for those that want a better look, http://tvline.com/2012/09/30/once-upon-a-time-season-2-who-is-nyc-mystery-man/
Also, Bae has his watches. Henry has his clocks. They both carry backpacks with them. Last year, the season opened with meeting Emma, one of Henry’s biological parents, outside of Storybrooke, so this year’s opening could be a parallel to last year’s season opening.
I’m sure there’s more, but my brain is about to fall asleep now.
Finally, there was this little gem from this most recent TV Guide[/] interview, http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/32642612567/tvguide-post-premiere-interview-ftl-land-henrys
ABC sent out sent out fun cast photos on Friday, but why is Henry holding a bow and arrow?
Kitsis: There is an Easter egg in there, but it’s going to take a while for you to realize it. Then, when you go back, it may not be the bow and arrow that gave it away.Hahaha, it’s because his clothes give it away. Yay SwanFire!!!
@Faux Pax wrote:
What do you guys think?
I really like this theory. Now that I know for sure that Bae is in NYC, but unfortunately I don’t know where at this time, I was thinking about NYC and why they chose NYC in particular. I thought we’d find him in Boston because of the Beantown nickname, but I was thinking it’s certainly possible that he landed in Boston or around there, but is now living in NYC. I just wonder if they chose NYC for some reason other than it’s on the east coast and they didn’t want to use Boston again or because of some other reason. For instance, my mind immediately thinks of the New York Giants as being one of the big reasons they might have chose NYC to be where we find Bae again.
he gient can smell the residual magic left from home on the people (fee, fy, fo, fum, i smell the blood of an english man–anyone else hear that version?) and Bae works with/for him to creat some sort of network/underground railroad type thing to help them out, possibly with BF as their connection inside Storybrook. That’s how they get intouch with Emma, the gient can smell the magic in her blood, but she gives no indication that she knows anything about one of the other worlds.
Unfortunately I can’t find it right now, but I know there was a theory about the walls between worlds weakening now that Gold brought magic here, probably where he wasn’t supposed to. I think at the time, I didn’t like it only because I want them to focus on Storybrooke now, but now that I’ve thought about it, it would be a good way to prolong the show and add life to it as long as it’s done in a clever and interesting way.
Anyhow, your theory reminded me of that because there had to be other realm jumpers besides Bae at one time or another because I think they must have gave us knowledge of their magical world for us to know of their world. I hope that made sense because there was another tear jerking Bae story that I just read recently about how he ended up reading all the tales of his father that were written here, and how he feels unloved and unwanted because they never mention that Rumple had his own child. So I was thinking that hopefully the show will explore how we already know of these characters in our world if they come from some other world. It doesn’t have to be a really complicated reason or anything, they can just throw in a line or something about realm jumpers, and that’s how we have this shared knowledge of each other world’s or something like that.
Maybe here he gets intouch with BF, and she explains who Emma is and asks him to watch over her, maybe a bit like Augest was suposed to. But he realizes that she isn’t ready to beleave, that she won’t without proof and he can’t give her proof without magic, something that isn’t here and he wouldn’t mess with even if it was. He decides to stick by her and they fall in love. (I like to think this is the Tallahise part–when she was talking to MM, it seemed like whatever henry’s dad did really hurt and i don’t think she would let a quasi one night stand get behind her walls enough to let them hurt her that much)
Yes, I think it must have been more than a one night stand type of thing. Heck, I see a lot of Graham/Emma fans complaining about how the show has forgotten Graham, and that seemed like a pretty significant relationship for Emma, although I don’t think he was her true love. The fact that she spent so much time in Tallahassee and still sounds bitter about Henry’s father definitely makes it seem like there was something pretty significant there at one time.
Of course, I would prefer that he’s not too bad. I mean I’m sure he’s not a saint and because of the circumstances that lead him here, he probably didn’t have a lot of options on what to do, which lead him into doing illegal things. I just don’t want him to be too big of a jerk since the description for “Jack” sounded like he was a shady guy but not a nasty one sort of like Once Upon a Time’s own Sawyer.
I hope it will continue to do well, but I don’t want to jinx it either. I’ll just say that I think it will continue to be one of ABC’s higher rated shows, but that might not mean a whole lot in comparison to other networks because I think ABC might struggle since nothing looks to be a big hit for them except perhaps Malibu Country. 666 Park Avenue and Nashville could both be minor hits like Revenge, but unfortunately for Last Resort and fortunately for The Neighbors, I don’t think they’ll last that long.
This is good though for Once Upon a Time because I think ratings would have to get really bad for ABC to cancel it. I think ratings will continue to hold for now and probably next season as long as the quality pretty much remains the same.
Maybe he is just in New York and not necessarily Coney Island.
I hope that’s what the clue meant because there’s less of a chance that Bae’s a carny then. (I really, really don’t like that idea even if it makes sense.)
@slurpeez108 wrote:
And what’s up with that stranger in New York who receives a Storybrooke postcard that simply reads, “Broken”?
I think the important question to ask is who sent the postcard to the stranger indicating the curse is broken? I think it has to be Mr. Gold/Rumple, because he knew the curse would be broken when the Savior kissed her son, and he was working to bring magic to our world for a reason we’ve yet to learn. I’m not sure if this MRJ character, the new mysterious stranger, is Baelfire, but it’d be an interesting twist if Mr. Gold/Rumpel has already found him via a magic postal service that delivers a letter to whomever you wish, regardless of whether you know the address. I like the way Phee put it: “Rain, hail, shine or purple smoke, the SB mail will still get through.”
Wow, so many more things to ponder about now. I would guess that Rumple sent the magical postcard too, but then again, if Bae has never been to Storybrooke or has any idea that his dad brought everyone here but they’re trapped by his dad’s evil curse, how would he know what the postcard meant?
Regina knew about the outside world all along, so may well have the knowledge and motivation to contact someone out there.
Yes, I definitely agree that after Emma told her about the father being out there, she probably had Sydney find out who he was when he dug up all that dirt about Emma. So she definitely knows his name I think, but I’m not sure if she’s ever written him yet. She might have started writing to him right before magic was released and before Emma agreed to leave town, to let him know about Henry and how Emma turned her own son against her and now is trying to take him back, to try to lure him to town, but she’s probably not behind the postcard. I could see her saying something like, “if you agree to testify against Emma for me or to work on my behalf to keep custody of Henry, there will be some kind of monetary payment involved, or I’ll let you have access to Henry.”
But my guess as to who sent it, (and I’ve only just come up with this idea as I’ve been typing this post, coz up until a minute ago I’d thought only Regina or Rumple were candidates, but suddenly my mind is racing) is Blue Fairy…
She’s a good candidate, but I’m still unclear if they’ll actually make her the puppet-master all along. Personally, I think it would be a good twist, but there really hasn’t been a solid evidence that she has been. There’s certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence, imo, but that could just be written off as her not being perfect like the rest of the characters.
At the time, I thought perhaps that was giving Blue a bit too much credit, if I’m saying she manipulated all the significant events in Emma’s life. But what if she did? What if Henry’s dad has always been fully aware of his origins in a magical land? What if he knew Blue Fairy, because they’d met in said magical land? So when she contacted him in our world, under the guise of Mother Superior, and told him he had to go to Emma and make with the baby making, he was willing to play along, because she told him the whole story of them being trapped? What if she said, “We’re here because your papa created a curse, so you’re already involved, and this is a part you can play to ensure that in 10 years time, the curse gets broken. When that happens, I’ll send you a sign, and you can come and be reunited with your papa…and your son.”
I could believe that she’s behind a lot of things including finding Henry to bring him to Storybrooke, but as a fan of Baelfire/Emma being each other one true love’s, I would hope he wouldn’t have agree to doing something like this even if he thought it was for the greater good. It would be an interesting twist, but I don’t think I’d ever like the adult version of Bae if he could agree to a plan like that.
I have my own hair-brained theory starting to develop as I type. I think there’s another potential candidate for who could’ve sent the postcard. What if August sent the postcard to the new mysterious stranger, MRJ’s character (aka potentially Baelfire)? If the newly-introduced magic manages to re-animate August as either a walking, talking puppet, or he becomes a real man again, it could happen.
I’m not sure if he’ll be a puppet that can walk and talk, but it seems he’ll be stuck in puppet form for awhile since Eion Bailey hasn’t been seen at all, and the producers seemed to indicate that in one of their most recent interviews. This theory makes the most sense to be though right now because I believe that they know each other, so then Bae would know what a postcard from Storybrooke saying “Broken” meant. However, if August did send Bae the postcard, I’m guessing that Bae thinks that August helped break the Curse by getting Emma to believe and was able to destroy Rumple’s Dagger. So he’s probably not going to be too happy when he finds out the reality that August failed, and that his father brought magic to this world unless he can already sense it when he gets the postcard. Of course, he can’t stay mad at August too long because August will most likely still be in puppet form when the meet again, I think.
Onto the Wraith now,
Also, I really want to know exactly why Rumple needed a Wraith. He didn’t know Belle was still alive until just last episode, and it seems like he’d been planning to bring magic to SB since FTL when he had PC put the egg containing the love potion into the dragon. So, Rumple needing the wraith to kill Regina has to be a side-plot for revenge that he came up with on the spot. He must have some other ultimate goal for using the Wraith that we’ve yet to learn.
Yes, I wonder what it is, and I’ll wonder if it will backfire on him not just with Belle but perhaps with Bae too. I think that the Wraith is behind Regina seeing Daniel around, and then this quote from Lana,
The press hasn’t heard about him?
No — his fairytale identity will be revealed … that person I’ve been linked to, which is really interesting. Mystery, mystery man,, makes me wonder when Bae comes into town, that she’s going to mistake him for a reincarnation of Daniel or something (I know the actors don’t look alike), for some reason like his name being similar or something. I don’t for see a love triangle or anything, but I wonder how much more angst that would add to Rumple’s situation if his son starts being pursued by Regina because of something he brought to this world. There’s so many ways they could go with everything though.
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/entertainment/love_that_tv/?p=1267
A new spoiler possibly explaining the Lou Reed “Charley’s Girl” hint that was given,
And what’s up with that stranger in New York who receives a Storybrooke postcard that simply reads, “Broken”?
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Hurray for fanatic fans! 🙂
Faux Pax wrote: Henry at the BBQ reminded me of pictures floating around tumblar of the kid who plays Bae practicing with a bow and arrow (I don’t think it has anything to do with OUAT though)
Interesting that you made this comparison, because on Tumblr I saw someone remarked on this similarity. Henry’s outfit is VERY similar to the costumes Baelfire wore in FTL. Coincidence? I think not. Perhaps the producers are just trying to keep us fans happy, but it’s working! 😉
I just saw that several hours ago on Tumblr and can finally comment on it!!! I don’t think it’s a coincidence either because as the person who posted it pointed out Emma is wearing Snow’s vest in that picture. 😀
I have to give a lot of credit to that person because my eyes never would have caught that. Also, that post is just blowing up now. Every time I could check in to Tumblr, it seemed like another 100 people had reblogged and/or liked it. That’s pretty incredible since usually not much on my Baelfire tag gets that many hits especially this fast. It seems most people are cool with the idea too.
@hjbau wrote:
Bae’s a carny. lol. That is just too funny.
I know! I’ve had such bad experiences with carnies, well not like life changing or anything, just very poor customer service like obviously being drunk on the job, cussing out the customers, or giving a bigger prize to a pretty girl that didn’t win instead of the seven year old girl who did win. (Okay, maybe the last one was life altering. It wasn’t fair, I won! I should have got the big stuffed animal. :cry:)
Anyhow, they definitely seem to have a poorer attitude than people that work at theme parks. I guess I can understand somewhat since they probably don’t get paid a lot and have to put up with people who get on their nerves, but then again a lot of jobs are like that, and most of the time people working at those jobs tend to be professional, or they don’t last long. (Of course, maybe since they travel so much, there are bad carnies that do get fired, but people don’t know because that kind of profession doesn’t really have regular customers like a restaurant or store.)
I guess I have to learn to accept that Bae is a carny though because it does make sense as a profession for him, even if I don’t like the idea because it would taint him for me in a way at least temporarily. I can get over it, but I really want to be invested in his character right away like with his young counterpart and not just warm up to him.
Today, I accidentally headbutted the edge of a garage door that wasn’t opened up the whole way. I hit it with considerable force, and had the throbbing headache from hell. It’s nothing compared to what spoilers do to my head though.
Aw, I’m sorry about that. I can be very clumsy at times, so unfortunately I’ve had a lot of experiences of standing up when I was under something instead of remembering that there could be something there, and hitting my head. You’re right though thinking about all these spoilers and what they mean in context definitely hurts my head more.
Now I’m torn between wanting ABC to release the first 10 minutes of the show like they did several times last year before Sunday night, so that I can see what the big deal is. Or just waiting until Sunday, so I can see the whole show.
ETA:
I think if they are friends before the truth comes out, the fact that Emma was lying will only hurt more. Especialy if Henry can’t see why she would lie.
I could see Regina using that as a way to get Henry back. I would only hope that he wouldn’t just run back to Regina, even if does get mad at Emma for lying to him. Lil’Red theorized that he might run away instead like to Neverland, and then that’s when Rumple and Bae might be forced to work together like if Hook then kidnapped or captured Henry. I just don’t want Henry to ever go back to Regina no matter how angry he might get at Emma.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Okay, so I was in exams the last few days (when there was an onslaught of spoilers – still catching up), but where is Coney Island coming from? I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of places now and I’m very lost.
Sounds pretty cool, though. Traveling from New York to Maine would explain MJR absence for a couple for episodes. I think someone (possibly AntBee) brought up an idea of the Giant being some type of pro-wrestler – maybe Baelfire worked for some carnivals????
Sorry that was me. Matt Mitovich from TV Line got to see the premiere early, and one of the hints he gave was this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYE0D6FjXw. It’s a link to Lou Reed’s Charley’s Girl which is from the album Coney Island Baby. I think the album is supposed to be the reference, but I could be wrong.
It could refer to a Cyclone happening since that’s Coney Island’s most famous attraction. It could be some kind of reference to underground since Lou Reed was in Velvet Underground. It could mean the song itself which is about a guy who falls for a girl that gets him into trouble.
Yes, I brought up the Giant being some kind of wrestler because I know two very famous wrestlers who used that nickname. I think Jorge Garcia might be playing an actual giant now though, and his story is separate from Henry’s father’s story with Emma in “Tallahassee”. However, I think being a carny would be a good fit for Bae as a job. They travel around a lot, don’t have the best reputations, and it’s probably a relatively easy job to gain after leaving the foster care system. Or maybe a traveling circus or carnival found him or vice versa when he came here, and he just stayed with them.
