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@Faux Pax wrote:
Not so much bonding, but i would like to have them meet and be on good terms with each other (kind of like Henry and August when they were working togther on Cobra). I think for that to happen, given the few tid-bits we KNOW about Henry’s daddy, it would have to be when Emma’s not around…at least at first.
That does seem possible though, given that MR-J is billed to be in the first eppisode and it looks like Emma and Snow are going to be MIA for a while in the first few epps
Yes, I want them to be on good terms with each other not so much have a father-son relationship yet.
I’m not really sure what’s going on with MR-J besides it being a safe bet that he’s Henry’s father/Bae. I only know for sure that he’s in the opening scene based of the first episode based on spoilers out there including a recent tweet from Matt Mitovich to Michael Raymond-James about his cool introduction to Once Upon a Time.
After that, I’m not sure what’s going on because it doesn’t seem like he’ll be in episodes 2 and 3 since he’s not listed for those episodes. He also tweeted today that it will take time for viewers to learn his identity, but again for posters like us who follow spoilers, we’ll already know who he is.
Anyhow, even if he appears again in episode 4, I’m unsure as to where now since all the people that have seen the first episode are being cryptic about where the first scene takes place. They only say that it’s very surprising, and Lou Reed’s Charley’s Girl may or may not be a hint.
Also, I thought that Emma met up with him again in episode 6; although perhaps, this was wrong on my part. However, if they do meet up in episode 6 then it can’t be in Storybrooke because only Josh Dallas, Jared Gilmore, and Megan Ory have been spotted on set for episode 7.
Or they could possibly meet up again which means that Emma and Snow somehow landed back on Earth but not in Storybrooke. Maybe he lives in Portland, Maine now which is why the police car was spotted. Or do they possibly meet up wherever the Giant is. All this speculation is making my brain hurt.
Now, I see this interview and this quote from Lana Parilla which makes my brain hurt even more.
I have not worked with any of the new cast. There’s one character that will be revealed.
The press hasn’t heard about him?
No — his fairytale identity will be revealed … that person I’ve been linked to, which is really interesting. Mystery, mystery man.So she hasn’t worked with Michael Raymond-James’s character yet, but is she talking about him being the mysterious man that she’s linked to or perhaps Dr. Whale’s mystery identity or Daniel’s ghost? I’m guessing it’s MR-J though because his character is referred to as the “Mysterious Man”, and we still don’t know his fairytale identity. He could be Jack or he could be Peter Pan or just Bae.
They’re going to be linked then? Is it because of Henry? Is there going to be another connection? 😯
[adrotate group="5"]Mmm, so it’s a Dementor that makes its presence felt. Meh. I like the idea of Rumple having the Medallion, but it looks so much out of Harry Potter from the picture that I don’t really like the idea of a soul sucking creature. Plus, other than Harry Potter, I don’t really remember soul sucking creatures being a large part of fairy tales. On the other hand, horcruxes sort of are because a lot of fairy tale villains hide their soul in a place outside their bodies, and the hero with the maiden’s help finds the villain’s soul and crushes it to be able to completely destroy the villain. So I wouldn’t mind that being a part of OUaT and not Dementors. 😕
Ugh, even more spoilers, from here, http://www.tvfanatic.com/2012/09/once-upon-a-time-season-premiere-what-to-expect/#ixzz27gDiKj9F
The episode opens in a new location, with a new character receiving a mysterious message.
We then meet three MORE new characters before we’re reunited with any Season 1 favorites.
Someone comes right out and asks Dr. Whale who he is.
A fresh fairy tale “character” makes “his” presence strongly felt in Storybrooke. Note the quotation marks.
Mr. Gold makes a promise to Belle.
Emma isn’t exactly in the mood to bond with her young parents.
Henry issues a threat to Regina.
Emma’s touch proves to be magical.
Emma and Mary Margaret conclude the episode… together. That’s all we can say about it at the moment.Most of it we already knew, but there’s some new information there.
So it does open like I suspected from the recent spoilers with Bae in a new location perhaps Coney Island based on the other spoiler out there. I wonder what kind of mysterious message he receives.
I wonder who the new male fairy tale character is. I don’t think it’s Prince Phillip because I think he’s part of the second spoiler about meeting 3 new characters. I can’t remember if Captain Hook is supposed to be in episode 1, I don’t think so, but perhaps I guess.
Finally, you go Henry! I can just imagine what the evil Regals will say after they see that scene, but I’m glad that he’s not softening towards her.
Darn it! I was doing so good the last few days not getting too excited about the show and not looking at any new promos since I figured that Sunday is almost here anyways, but I keep reading all these hints from people who got to see the show early which is making me even crazier than I was during the summer waiting for the show.
I just saw these on Tumblr, from WetPaint. http://www.wetpaint.com/once-upon-a-time/articles/10-hints-about-the-once-upon-a-time-season-2-premiere
The other 7, I already knew about, but I thought these were interesting,
Quote:8. Someone learns that keeping strictly to the word of a promise isn’t always enough.9. Emma (Jennifer Morrison) will do anything for Henry (Jared Gilmore), and she proves it in a surprising way.
10. Choice quote: “The one thing no one can escape: Destiny.”
Does #8 have to do with Rumple and Bae? Or Rumple and Regina? I can’t remember any other big deals right now since the Emma-Rumple favor doesn’t play out until later. Ugh.
I bet #9 is a parallel to Rumple and Bae except Emma goes through the vortex for Henry.
I guess #10 is referring to Emma, but it could also possibly be mean other people?!?! I want this episode so badly right now. Ack! Sunday suddenly seems so far away.
Also, and this is the big one for me, I fear that introducing Bae as the long lost father will water down the conflict between he and Rumpel. Basically, I’m scared that if Baelfire is brought back as a character in need of redemption himself, then it will downplay the reconciliation with Gold. I don’t want a fluffy, simple I-forgive-you-dad-for-abandoning-me-because-I-screwed-up-myself make-up scene. No. I want angst. I want conflict. I want nasty confrontations before forgiveness and eventual reconciliation. What can I say, I’m a girl who loves her drama.
Oh I hope Bae doesn’t forgive Rumple that easily. That probably won’t happen just because fake!Bae and Rumple already had the easy reunion, so I expect the real reunion is going to be really angst filled. I agree though that I hope that they don’t reunite too quickly later on like if something happens to Henry and/or Emma, and they’re forced to work together to save them, or because Bae is forced to be the bigger person again and forgives Rumple just because of whatever Bae did between the time that Rumple abandoned him and the time he arrived in Storybrooke. I want Bae to freeze out Rumple for quite awhile because I think Rumple really deserves it, and I think Rumple has to really work at having a relationship with Bae again.
I think that Bae can still be Henry’s father and still have that happen. I can see a lot of angst happening because Bae might have been able to eventually forgive or at least understand his father choosing power over his son because he may have ran away from whatever happened that landed Emma in jail, but not for everything else that his father did afterwards. Later on though, I can see him becoming more conflicted as the Emma/Baelfire relationship progresses because without the Curse, he and Emma would have never met each other. So I can see him softening at times, but then Rumple will make the wrong choice again, and Bae and Rumple will be back at square one again until eventually they have their reconciliation.
@Faux Pax wrote:
So what i think will happen–if they are going to try and balance both sets of drama–is that for the first couple of epps Emma and Bae don’t run into each other (see spoiler) giving the Bae/ Rumple drama time to unfold. When they do run into each other Emma won’t tell him about Henry and will try and keep the truth from both of them for a while more.
That drama will simmer on the back burner until the Bae/Rumple stuff settles, then the truth comes out. While they’re working on that, it somehow gets back to Bae that Rumple was the one to “Procure” Henry for the evil queen (probably Regina’s doing as a way to get back at Rumple), which makes Bae so mad, it sets their relationship back to square one, or worse.
That’s pretty much how i see the thing playing out, and if they do it well, it just might work. Any thoughts?
I think it will work similar to that except maybe in a different order. I think the Henry’s father stuff will play out first just because I don’t think Emma will be able to hide her emotions when she sees his father again, and because I think Henry’s father will be smart enough to figure out that he’s probably the father of Henry just by doing the math.
While on the other hand, Rumple doesn’t have a clue as to what Bae looks like now, so I think that can be dragged out longer. He probably will suspect that the new stranger is Bae, but either after finding out that he’s actually Henry’s dad or that the stranger is there to see Emma, which Rumple would probably then guess that the stranger was Henry’s dad, he might not think anything more about the stranger until later on in the season especially if he has other things to deal with first like revenge on Regina and matters with Captain Hook to settle.
Plus, this way Bae gets to see first-hand how his father is now, so maybe when he first comes to Storybrooke, he might have been more willing to forgive his father, but after getting to watch his father in action without Rumple knowing who Bae is, that could strengthen Bae’s resolve to never forgive his father if he sees his father got even worse.
It will also be interesting to see how Belle fits in there. I wonder if Bae will be angry jealous not because of any romantic feelings for Belle of course, but just angry and jealous that even with everything that his father did, his father still gets to have romantic love. Or will he think that she’s suffering from Stochkholm syndrome, and try to get her to see that his father is never going to change for anyone. Or maybe Belle will help father and son reunite.
Maybe I’m just burned out on too many stories where Rumple gets both Belle and to be reunited with a still young Baelfire who instantaneously forgives his father and is okay with Belle being his step-mom immediately after being dropped by the vortex opening in Storybrooke, that I really want the whole Bae, Rumple, and Belle storyline to be really angst-filled. Of course, I don’t want it to be angst-filled because of romance, which I don’t think they would do anyways because we already know Belle and Rumple have true love, but I just wanted to state that. I just don’t want to see them become this happy little family unit, maybe much later on if Rumple really changes; although even then I would still be more interested in seeing Emma, Bae, and Henry as a happy family unit.
Yes, I complained about this after seeing the spoilers of David hitting Dr. Whale from episode 5 I believe. It’s not anyone’s fault except Regina’s and Rumple’s for what happened during the Curse, so I think Charming just looks like an idiot for getting angry at Dr. Whale and punching him over it.
If Charming does overreact, I hope they somehow can convey his actions are rooted back to his own guilt from his David life and how he treated Snow: giving her the wrong valentine, lying, doubting, etc. Then again, if Whale decides to make a joke about having sex with Snow to Charming…I don’t think I’d be against Charming punching him. But – Is Whale really that stupid?
Yes, I really hope that Charming’s actions are from his own guilt and anger at himself for causing her to have a one night stand with Dr. Whale, and not that he’s jealous or angry with Snow. Dr. Whale probably is stupid enough to taunt Charming about it, but again it’s all on Regina and Rumple not on Dr. Whale for what happened. Likewise, Charming acted much worse during his time under the Curse, so if he gets to get angry and actually punch Dr. Whale, I want to see Frederick rip Charming from limb to limb.
@Surayya wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Yes, I love all the spoilers I can get – though I want to be surprised and there-in lies my conundrum. Thanks for sharing; it helps to know I’m not alone in this. 🙂
I also love that “grandpa” line; that Henry is such a little Charmer-in-the-making. Also, perhaps the main character to ask about Dr. Whale will be Emma, since she’s not familiar at all with these fairy-tale counterparts.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand the reference to Lou Reed’s Charley’s Girl – like at all?
With you totally! …….. No Idea!
Yes, I didn’t get that either. I guess it’s either a hint that the episode opens at Coney Island or ends there since that song is from Lou Reed’s Coney Island Baby album. It could be where Bae is in our world whenever the events happen in “Broken”.
The Cyclone is probably Coney Island’s most famous ride, so if it doesn’t refer to where Bae is, perhaps it’s a reference to a cyclone happening.
Or the other theory I have is that Bae’s and Emma’s relationship was like the one in Charley’s Girl, but it’s too early for a flashback even if Michael Raymond-James is Bae.
And why in the world would they keep using their Storybrooke names. I can think of no reason where that would make sense.
It doesn’t make sense to me either except that they think the audience is stupid, which yeah unfortunately, there might be viewers out there who would be confused as to why Leroy is going by Grumpy in Storybrooke now.
I know I read people defending the idea by saying that they’ve lived those lives for 28 years, so they’ve gotten used to those names. However, unless I was an ally of Regina’s, there’s no way I’d still use the name that came from the Curse that she enacted.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Really excited to see what the creative team came up with for werewolves!
I wonder if there is going to be a distinctive difference between Red and this pack. Mainly because both Quinn and Anita are noted as warlock and sorceress respectively (as well as wolves.) I’m thinking along the lines of something like Harry Potter’s animagi – they morph possibly by choice and therefore have more control than Red (making them ideal teachers?) Then again, if Red is somehow a sorceress – cool!
Yes, it does seem like magical people, at least the darker magic people, are able to morph so far. Regina as a rat, and of course Mal as a dragon. (We haven’t seen Rumple’s morphed form yet though.)
I wonder if Emma will be able to morph, or if it’s more of a dark side type of thing.
No idea how Billy fits into this episode. It makes sense that he’d be a wolf too based on what we know, but..I kind of thought he might tie into some human mesh-up of the Three Billy Goats Gruff. Weird idea! But that look Ruby/Red gave him was pretty predatory….
Oh no I hope she doesn’t eat Billy now! 😮
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Insider.com: How much room does all this emotional exposition leave for love in Emma’s life?
Jennifer: It was definitely a priority for the writers this year to bring men into her life. Interestingly, I think we can’t truly be in healthy relationships until we work out issues with our parents, so I think it’s fascinating that they’ve chosen the season where she begins to learn about her parents to also be the season where she opens herself up to love. But Emma definitely won’t be the pursuer. She’s a tough nut to crack, but there are men coming into her life who aggressively try to break through her armor.It could go either way with this quote, but I have to repeat that I hope there’s no love triangles at least any messy ones like with Mary Margaret/David/Kathryn.
I wonder who the men are going to be. I know there are a lot of Mad Swan and Wooden Swan fans out there, but I’m not really a fan of those ships happening.
Emma and Jefferson do have a lot of chemistry, but if they were to happen, it would be too much like Rumbelle and Gosh, imo. Plus, I think they’ll bring his wife back at some point, so I’d rather wait for that to happen then for Jefferson to openly pursue Emma after all that’s happened.
Before Eion Bailey got dropped from regular status, I did think that they were going to do a Bae/Emma/August triangle, which I didn’t like, but it seems unlikely to happen right now since it seems like the show has largely written Pinocchio out. When August’s comes back, I think he might have more to deal with than trying to woo Emma, and I also think when he comes back that he’ll mostly be in Bae’s orbit since I still believe that they knew each other outside of Storybrooke.
Before the spoilers about Snow and Lancelot, I wouldn’t minded a flirtation between him and Emma, but if there was ever anything of a romantic nature between Snow and Lancelot, I would feel weird about Lancelot/Emma. Although again if it’s just a flirtation nothing serious, I guess that wouldn’t be too bad. If he really tries to woo her though after perhaps her mom broke his heart, then I’m not fond of that idea at all.
There’s Quinn, but I know less about him then I do Lancelot right now. He could help her with her magical abilities, so I could see them bonding over that. Unfortunately, I could definitely see a triangle situation already between Bae, Emma, and Quinn since Bae would probably be against magic and Quinn would be for magic. At least from his description though, Quinn might turn out to have a very dark side, so I guess that would leave the writers an easy way out to get to Bae/Emma happening.
Of course, there’s Hook, who I’m sure will try to woo Emma also. I could see her being charmed, at least at first, but I don’t see it going anywhere.
Finally, there’s MR-J’s mysterious man character who I believe to be Bae/Henry’s dad. I didn’t really see his character as the active pursuer type at least not this season because I thought it would be too early for that since I figured that he and Emma would have a lot to resolve first, but then again with the spoilers about “Jack” having a lot of swagger, I guess it could happen. I do want to see her properly wooed especially since I think he has a lot to make up for, but it all seems too soon right now. I guess we’ll see.
ETA: I just had a thought. Do you think Jennifer Morrison said that the quote about men as some kind of message to the rabid SwanQueen shippers like either “cool it with thinking it’s going to be canon” or “I didn’t say any of those men would be successful, wink, wink”? Oh god, I can’t believe I even thought of it in that context. 😕
I can’t really write much since I’m on my phone, but I guess she’s not Anita like I thought. I can see the resemblance to Bae slightly. It’s not really so much that I could see why they kept her casting a secret for so long, but I can buy that Bae could come from Milha and Rumple or perhaps Milha and Captain Hook depending on if she knew Hook before Rumple or after Rumple.
