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Wow! This topic exploded today. It’s nice to have a discussion going on even when the show’s season hasn’t started yet.

@EternalღFlame wrote:

I’m actually pretty partial to all of the Baelfire theories. My favorite one is him being Henry’s biological father, but I also love the idea of him being Peter Pan, Jack or the Wizard of Oz. 🙂

Yes, my favorite Bae theory is him being Henry’s dad, so as long as that happens I’ll be okay with just about anything else. Although I would feel slightly cheated if we find out that Bae did in fact go to a magical land, but I could probably overlook it as long as they do his story right, and make the Emma/Bae pairing one that I root for to happen.

Honestly, I’m less interested in who (if anybody) is Peter. What I am dying to see is, when it is revealed that Bae is Henry’s father, what will that do to Rumple and his relationship with both Bae and Henry. Think about it. He’s the one who got Henry for Regina. I can totally see him knowing Henry was Emma’s kid and using that as a way to eventually drawl Emma in to storybrook. BUT i doubt he would have given him over if he knew Henry was his grandson. I don’t see him doing that; it’s just not in his character… especially since he knew what kind of person Regina was (she did kill Henry sr.). I’ll accept the fact that he can see the future, but there has to be at least some things that are out of his reach. And i kind of hope this is one of them.

That revelation would be epic. And Robert could so pull it off. Plus, if Bae found out and didn’t believe Rumple didn’t know… well, now with all the Rumple/Bae build up, they can’t have their issues resolved too quickly, now can they? Mwhahaha

While I agree with Gypsy and TheGoldenKey that Rumple didn’t remember anything from Fairy Tale Land until Emma said her name to him in the pilot, I wholeheartedly agree that once Rumple finds out the mega revelation about Henry being Bae’s son, the show doesn’t need anything extra like Bae also being Peter Pan or the Wizard of Oz, because everyone finding out that news and the stories that could be played out from the mega revelation could be carried out over many seasons.

When Rumple finds out, I agree it will definitely be epic. I expect and probably pretty much guarantee at this point that his reunion with the real Bae will not go as smoothly as his reunions with fake Bae and Belle. I think the show could definitely keep a reconciliation from happening between Bae and Rumple until the final season if ever really, no matter how long the show lasts, because obviously Bae’s still probably very to angry about his father breaking his deal, but then you throw in on top of that all these evil machinations his father has done and all the lives his father ruined, and trying to justify that because he wanted to be reunited with Bae, I can’t imagine how much anger Bae will feel. Not to mention his father being behind his son being adopted by the Evil Queen, bringing magic to Storybrooke, and not caring if Henry died as long as he got the true love potion, etc.

Then, obviously Bae and Emma will have a lot of issues to work out. Who knows where Henry will stand too? Is he going to be pissed at Emma for lying to him? How will he feel towards Bae? Did Bae have any inkling that he had a son out there, or is he going to be pissed at Emma for not telling him?

Of course, then you throw in Snow, Charming, Regina, and Belle to the mix, and the show has so many ways it could go with the mega revelation.

I think that for whatever reason, Rumple had to accept the fact that he was going to lose some time with Bae in regards to that twenty eight years when the curse was in effect (maybe it had something to do with the way the magic worked, or maybe the curse was the only way he could get to this world. he did put in the safety valve regarding Emma to break it after all). If the curse and Bae came through at the same time, then Bae would keep ageing like August and Emma because he wasn’t IN storybrook, even if he was originally of that world. I think that after centuries of Rumple desperate for a do-over, he would jump at the chance to have his son back at all, even if that meant he was almost thirty years older then the last time they saw each other.

Yes, I think he wanted to enact the Curse earlier to get to the exact year that Bae arrived, but perhaps he couldn’t because of not being able to find the right couple for the true love part, and not being able to find anyone willing to enact the Curse. Plus, he might not have been able to narrow down the exact time just a time frame of when Bae landed. So in actuality, I think that Rumple actually arrived here first but was trapped in Storybrooke for 28 years, but I think Bae landed here later on that way there won’t be too much of an age difference between Emma and Bae. Plus, that way it would be even more heartbreaking if a young Bae found his way to Storybrooke before the Curse broke, found his dad, and then his dad didn’t even remember him. 😥 Oh god the feelings! If that happens on the show or if I ever read that in a fan fiction, I know I’m just going to lose it.

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Interesting, but it doesn’t really point to the popular theories of Dr. Whale being either Peter Pan or Frankenstein. I expect that he probably won’t be either now, but those there’s been a lot of evidence people have dug up for both theories.

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@Midnight Dreary wrote:

SO. MANY. SPOILERS!!!

-A kiss between Belle and Rumpel. SHOCKING. I thought that a kiss between them would cause Rumpel to lose his powers. I guess his dark powers have been nuetralized by the true love magic.

Yes, I thought he would have lost his powers, but I guess not. I wonder if the Dagger still works the same then or not. I think it would be more dramatic if it does, but then again I thought it would be more dramatic if they couldn’t kiss without him losing his powers either. So maybe the Dagger doesn’t mean anything now.

-Rumpel and Hook have a past. The article said that Rumpel and Hook knew each other even before he became the Dark One. And the fact that Rumpel’s first wife is going to be introduced in the same episode makes me think that Hook had something to do with their separation. My personal theory is that Rumpel’s wife ran off with Hook and left him to raise Bae all by himself. But we’ll wait and see. The episode is only a month and a half away.

Yes, it definitely seems to confirm the popular theory that Milha was Rumple’s wife, and that she ran off with Captain Hook. I wonder if Bae is really Rumple’s or not, or Captain Hook’s. I think it would be an interesting parallel to Henry’s life if you have his own dad has an adopted father that was the good father and a biological father who was the bad one.

-Robert Carlyle said that while he can not reveal who Baelfire is, we will find out who he is in season two. “I know what’s going to happen, and it’s pretty mega.”
-In speaking of Henry’s dad, “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain [bit] that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.”

So can I take this as confirmation that Bae is Henry’s dad, right?

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@hjbau wrote:

Four scenes is not completely insignificant. I mean Rumpel is a lot of times in only one or two. I think that Emma and Snow are with Aurora and Mulan.

I think that Emma was in only five scenes in An Apple Red as Blood and her presence seems significant to me in that episode.

I didn’t say her scenes were insignificant. I just was commenting that she’ll only be in 4 scenes per the spoilers that are out there.

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hjbau wrote:Maybe Emma and Snow come back to Storybrooke via beanstalk.

Maybe The Blue Fairy was wrong/lying about there being more magic beans and they come into possession of one.

I haven’t heard anything one way or the other. Maybe all of Dylan’s scenes are under-wraps because he’ll be filming in front of a green-screen and the producers don’t want him tweeting about the show (surprise-factor). Another possibility is that we could see Baelfire as an adult, played my the mystery-man, MRJ. Perhaps Jack is grown-up Bae’s new alias. Perhaps we’ll see flash-backs with Dylan in them as a teenaged Baelfire on the run from a giant. Then we flash-forward to Emma and MM being in a distant land and hearing about MRJ’s character (who as it turns out could be adult Baeflire), and they ask him for help getting home.

That could be, but maybe they won’t use Dylan Schmid yet. If Jorge Garcia is really playing a Giant, perhaps Bae’s past isn’t revealed until later, but we might learn why there was only one magic bean left for the Blue Fairy to give to Bae. So we get the backstory on the magic beans, but not necessarily on Bae.

This would mean that Bae is just Bae; although, I still think he or someone else changed his name in our world because Baelfire would be such a weird name to go by.

So there could still be an actual Jack from the Beanstalk story, but it wouldn’t be Bae like I had thought. However, to make my theory even more confusing, I think Michael Raymond-James is Jack from the casting call who is really Henry’s dad/Baelfire. Again, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s the real Jack as in the real Jack from the Beanstalk story just going by that particular much more common name in our world.

For one thing, I don’t think there was ever any confirmation that the casting call was for the Jack from the Jack and the Beanstalk story. I think most people, like myself, just guessed that it must be the same Jack. Further, I think whoever Michael Raymond-James is playing must be a really big character for them to keep it under wraps like they’re doing. If he were just Jack and only Jack, I don’t think they would welcome him to the show the first day he was hired, but then pretend like he doesn’t even exist immediately after that. So I still think he has to be someone really important like Bae/Henry’s dad.

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“We Are Both” – While Regina continues to find a way to regain her magical powers, David continues his quest to uncover the whereabouts of Mary Margaret and Emma; and the seven dwarves discover what happens when any of the townspeople try to step past the city limits of Storybrooke. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, as her wedding day to King Leopold approaches, Regina is confronted by a man of magic who promises to help her become independent and break free from her mother Cora’s (Barbara Hershey) clutches, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, OCTOBER 7 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

So we know that the 7 dwarves are the characters that try to see what happens when they go past the city limits of Storybrooke, and I think it can be assumed that Rumple is the man of magic who promises to help Regina become independent of her mother Cora.

We also know that wherever Emma and Snow are, at least Emma, won’t be in this episode that much because she’s only in 4 scenes in the second episode.

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@hjbau wrote:

Maybe Emma is returning. All i thought when i saw that picture was that maybe Emma and Snow somehow used the ship to get back to our world. I don’t know about the book, but in the Disney movie the ship flies back to London and drops off the kids at the end. That means nothing, but it was just my initial thought. It could then land in the water near Storybrooke and maybe Emma and Snow try to swim to the mainland. All thoughts just from my head though without any more knowledge then the picture.

That makes sense to me. I wonder if Hook is with the ship, or if he’s in Storybrooke. I think he’s in Storybrooke just based on Smee being there and trying to kidnap/kidnapping Belle, but Hook and Smee could be separated I guess.

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@hjbau wrote:

I think the idea is that when in a cursed sleep that you are still aware of what is going on around you. Snow knew she was in a glass coffin and Henry heard Emma say she loved him because he said i love you too. So when Jefferson talks in the hospital about collecting on the deal and Regina says that Emma was supposed to eat the apple so their deal is off, that Henry heard that. Though it is possible that something happens to fix that relationship a bit in Ep 2, so that Jefferson having a conversation with Henry won’t seem so bizarre.

Yes, that’s what I thought too because Snow was still aware of what was going on, and Henry did hear Emma say I love you. So I figured he would have remembered Jefferson and Regina talking over him too. I guess it’s possible though that Jefferson helps Charming and Henry in episode 2 when they’re all looking for Emma and Snow, or it’s another plot hole.

Maybe MRJ is just in the premiere but then doesn’t appear again until a later episode (like Emma’s episode, 2×6). I’m still wondering if MRJ is responsible for the disappearance of Emma and MM. If he is Jack, he could have LOTS of magic beans to take them to different worlds.

Well, hopefully if he is responsible, he didn’t do it maliciously, if he turns out to be Bae.

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I guess Henry doesn’t remember anything after eating the apple, or he’s incredibly forgiving to want Jefferson to be reunited with his daughter.

Also, although I already knew it, it makes me sad that Emma and Snow are still missing and trying to find their way home.

Finally, I looked back at episode 2’s description when I noticed that MR-J’s name wasn’t on the list for episode 3, and he’s not on the list for episode 2 either. I wonder if the list is just incomplete because I don’t see Julian Morris’s name on either list either unless Emma’s and Snow’s journey is suppose to parallel Mulan’s and Aurora’s journey, which is why there is no Prince Phillip.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Episode 2.02 – We Are BothThe summary confirms that Emma and Mary Margaret have disappeared from SB (probably to another world). I’m going to guess Oz, just because it was hinted at in S1. Also, I suppose none of the fairy-tale characters can leave SB, despite the curse being lifted. Interesting!

I’m not really sure where they traveled too. I think they might go back in time because it seems like Aurora, Prince Phillip, and Mulan keep popping up in these earlier episodes, and it seems their stories took place in the past in Fairy Tale Land. I also thought that they were saving Oz to later on this season, but I could be wrong about reading that somewhere.

I already figured that the characters wouldn’t be able to leave Storybrooke at least right now because it would make the show more difficult if you had some characters in Boston, some that traveled to the west coast, some that traveled to another continent, etc., since they’re all still trying to break the Curse and defeat the villains, but it’s nice to have confirmation of that for sure. Eventually I’m sure they’ll explore the idea of at least one character that was Cursed, being able to leave Storybrooke, but for now I think that there’s so much for them to do, it just makes it easier to keep most everyone contained in the same place.

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