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@Marilou wrote:
isn’t there magic in Never land?
surely a place that is inhabited by children that never grow up, gnomes and fairies can’t be magical.
Yes, that’s why I don’t think he’s Peter Pan or the Wizard of Oz, even though a case could possibly be made for both, just because I think it would be retcon to have Bae go to a place that had magic just because his father didn’t happen to go with him.
[adrotate group="5"]I have no idea how accurate this is since the origin is from Tumblr http://officerparker.tumblr.com/post/31160015287%5D/url%5D, but
Dr Whale’s FTL counterpart will definitely surprise everyone. Nobody has guessed who he as far as I have seen. It’s certainly on par with Rumple being the Beast and Red being the Wolf and some things will make sense with his reveal.
That’s interesting if this is true.
I guess that rules out my guess of Peter Pan, but I’m still sticking with it for now because of the introduction of Captain Hook.
Would Dr Whale be Peter Pan? When the series first aired they didn’t have the rights to Peter Pan so they couldn’t use any of the characters.Although they said they had Hook ready and waiting for if they did get the rights, it wouldn’t have made sense to set up Whale as Peter Pan only to find out that they didn’t get the rights. Does that make sense?
That does seem like a good point, but I think they knew ahead of time that while they couldn’t get the rights for Peter Pan in the first season, if the show was successful enough to come back for a second season, they would have little to no problem securing the rights then for Peter Pan. If the show doesn’t come back for a second season, then they just never reveal who Dr. Whale is or just tell people that he was someone else or that they wanted him to be a certain character but the rights never worked out that way viewers can work out the mystery without them directly saying so to cover their own butts.
So I think they made Dr. Whale’s identity one of the big mysteries of Season 1, and this also served the purpose of adding another mystery to ponder during the hiatus instead of viewers just focusing in on the Henry’s father mystery. Of course, maybe they only planned on bringing in Captain Hook, or someone else besides Dr. Whale will be Peter.
I’m also wondering if the mysterious blonde patient mentioned in Archie’s file could be Tinkerbell.
I think they did say that we would see her later on, so she definitely fits. I saw a lot of guesses that it could be Alice because of Jefferson rescuing Belle from the secret asylum, which also works, but I’m not sure they’ll have Jefferson reunited with his wife so soon.
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Why couldn’t Dr. Whale be Peter Pan? Peter Pan certainly would be iconic, and it’d actually help explain why the executive producers didn’t reveal his identity until season 2. Horowitz and Kitsis were waiting to acquire the rights to the story from the children’s’ hospital in London and said the tale is one of their all-time favorites. (They did just recently obtained the rights to all of the characters from Peter Pan, not just Captain Hook). The executive producers might have been especially mysterious and vague with his character, not giving too many hints, thus leaving open the possibility that he could be any number of characters (just in case they didn’t obtain the legal rights to the tale). I’m not claiming he has to be Peter Pan, but I don’t think we can rule it out just because of the timing of the reveal. If anything, I think this adds to the case of him being Peter. The more I think about it, I think the name “Whale” has to do with a literal sea creature, and more to do with the size of his over-inflated ego than anything else. It just makes sense.
Hahaha, posting at the same time. Yes, this was basically what I was trying to get at. If they get canceled, they can give hints to viewers who really want to know who he was going to be. If they get renewed, they’re likely a big enough hit that they can secure the rights without any problems.
Michael Raymond-James is headed back Sunday for Once. I guess he could still be in episode 5, at least a small part, since I think they’re still filming that one. Or maybe Monday is when the new episode starts filming.
It’s probably not tied to the MR-J character, but there’s been another spotting of Daniel and in more context,
She (Lana) drove the car to the end of the street and proceeded to drive it towards the intersection, where another car would drive in front of her causing her to stop suddenly. It was at that point that she saw the mysterious new character standing on the corner, by the entrance to the Storybrooke Library. Lightening distracts Regina for a split second, but the character has vanished.
Again, my theory probably won’t work out, but I do think that the writers could do an interesting parallel between August pretending to be Bae and Regina perhaps thinking that Bae is Daniel. Assuming that someone isn’t gaslighting Regina into thinking Daniel is around town by using a Daniel double that’s not MR-J, and assuming that she actually has interaction with MR-J’s character, I think something that the Bae does could remind her of Daniel like he saves her from Captain Hook or another angry mob, or perhaps says something that brings Daniel to her mind.
Yes, I know Michael Raymond-James and Noah Bean look nothing alike, but I don’t think Eion Bailey and Michael Raymond-James look alike either yet August was still able to fool Rumple. I know it’s different because Regina already knows what Daniel looks like, but I think by having Bae remind her of Daniel,
it would be intriguing to have Bae be sort of an ally to Regina, well I guess not really an ally, but not completely against her either at least in for awhile. Nothing romantic at least definitely not his feelings, but I think he would feel a lot of guilt about all the destruction that Rumple caused even to Regina. I don’t think he would let Regina entirely off the hook for her actions, but I think as a character at least for season 2, he might be able to be the most objective in not hating her outright like basically everyone in town will. Plus, unlike another villain like Captain Hook, I don’t think he would be the type to get her before she got him. Now Regina being Regina, she’ll probably screw it all up like she did her friendship with Kathryn, but I think it could certainly be one way to have Regina and Bae be friends, which would cause all kinds of drama, and possibly show that Regina might be able to be redeemed.That’s why even though both sides make good cases as to whether Bae should be found alive or dead, I think it could create a lot more drama in the long run if he’s alive. If the show were just about Rumple, then I think that they could have Rumple find out that his whole Curse was pointless, and have Rumple go even darker but have Belle bring him back from the dark side. Since the show is about Emma, I think that Bae is going to play a really big part in her journey somehow whether that be as Henry’s dad, true love, and/or some kind of mentor or perhaps the real Big Bad. I just don’t think the writers can make Emma the Cursebreaker and Bae be the reason for the Curse’s existence without them interacting at all since Bae was such a large part of the reason Emma’s life turned out the way it did. She might be able to relate to Rumple because she would probably be tempted to do the same things for Henry, but I don’t think it’s the same as if she actually interacted with Bae. They’re just tied together too much more than just Emma being able to relate to Rumple’s situation.
Plus, if Bae is dead, I don’t think it would give the Charmings and even Regina that much to do. They’d probably work together temporarily to bring a really dark!Rumple down, and then once he’s gone as a threat, work against each other, but other than that nothing. However, if Bae is alive, even if he’s not Henry’s father, I think that he has a better chance of forging relations with both the Charming family and Regina than Belle does. I think he’s objective enough in knowing what a monster his father is to work with the Charmings. Not to say that Belle won’t object to Rumple’s actions or work together with the Charmings eventually, but if MR-J is Jack/Bae, but not Henry’s father, I think he would have the edge right now of becoming allies with the Charmings because he doesn’t have to adjust to the world like Belle also has to do, and his anger is pointed at Rumple whereas right now Belle’s anger is pointed at Regina’s.
I didn’t start a new topic because I don’t know how accurate this spoiler is since it’s from IMDb, and the person who posted it didn’t have a link to where she found it. However, it seems like a likely title given the other spoilers about episode 3. It’s suppose to be titled, “The Lady of the Lake”.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Second this! Think about his confrontation with August. I can’t think of the direct quote, but it was something along the lines of ‘you’ve always been the bigger (better) man, son. Now, I need you to be the bigger man once again and forgive me.’ He seems to expect the anger and bitterness, but still thinks his son has retained his bravery and noble nature. If Bae is (at least on the surface) the complete wreck some of us are suggesting – think how crushing that will be for Rumple and the amazing acting opportunity for Robert Carlyle (maybe enough to actually get a nomination!)
Yes, I keep thinking about the song “Cats in the Cradle” every time I think of Rumple and Bae finally reuniting. Perhaps it won’t be exactly like that song, but Robert Carlyle should have a lot of good material to work with when he realizes what a hardened person Bae grew up to be.
Have you heard anything else about MRJ’s proposed pilot, ANTBEE? That wonderful gif series on tumblr had me completely ready for him to be Baelfire…and now…….I’ll kind of be disappointed if he’s just Peter Pan or Jack (or other).
He didn’t reply, but it was just one of his friends offering it to him over Twitter. I would just guess that he couldn’t come right out and say on Twitter that he’ll be back next season on Once, so that’s why he didn’t answer. For now, I’m still assuming that he’s Bae/Henry’s dad/Jack because no offense to MR-J, but if they wanted to just introduce Peter or Jack to be a short term love interest to Emma since Lancelot looks to be ruled out now, Prince Phillip already has two girls in love with him it seems from spoilers, and Hook is a villain, I don’t think that MR-J would be high up on the list. Now if they wanted to cast someone for a meaty, complex role, then it makes sense as to why they chose MR-J.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
AntBee wrote:The title is We Are Both
We are both….. ruthless? so similar? magical? I think this could refer to different combinations of Rumpel, Cora, Regina or even Jefferson in the FTL flashbacks (based on previous spoilers, we know we’re going to see all of them in this episode).
Phee wrote:Can’t wait to see Regina meeting Rumple! I’ve been thinking that he’s where she got her initial powers from. They both hated Cora, (assuming Regina is in fact the miller’s daughter who got away), and I reckon the desire to bring her down brought them together.
Knowing that this is the episode in which we see how Regina met Rumpel, we’re most likely going to see FTL flashbacks of Cora, the miller’s daughter, and the deal she made with the dark one to save Regina, her first born. Thus, we may see the title refer to how both Cora and Regina managed to get power from Rumpel. The similarity could also exist between Cora and Rumpel, since they both ruthless, like making deals and wanted power. Also, I could see it meaning how Rumpel taught Regina magic (to get back at Cora). I wonder if Jefferson is related to Cora and Regina though, since we know Sebastian Stan is set to appear here. So, the title could potentially refer to Regina and Jefferson as two people who learned magic.
Another possibility for the current day I imagined is that the title could also refer to Snow White, Emma, and Prince Charming. I think Emma and SW go missing from SB. Perhaps SW and PC are both extremely sorry for having to let go of Emma and make an apology to her. Another possibility is that SW and Emma discover they’re both so alike in many personality and ability traits. Whatever happens, there could be some nice maternal contrasts and links between Cora/Regina in FTl and SW/Emma in (SB or wherever they are).
I was thinking more along the lines of zlfh4’s explanation, but I like the idea of contrasting Cora’s and Regina’s relationship to Snow’s and Emma’s or even Regina’s and Snow’s when they first lived together.
However, if it doesn’t just mean the people of Storybrooke having two sets of memories now, I think it’s more likely that it does refer to how Cora was the original Miller’s daughter, and what deal she made with Rumple over Regina since there’s been so much emphasis by the writers about that backstory and because Emma doesn’t sound like she does much in episode 2.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Perhaps it is Lancelot that teaches Snow how to fight. Her attitude in Snow Falls is different from that in Red Handed where she seemed to be struggling to get by. Charming was too busy finding Snow to teach her. Maybe whilst Lancelot was teaching her, an attraction developed between him and Snow and they may have possibly shared a kiss. Snow isn’t going to admit to Charming that she fancied another guy. What if Charming and Snow are sort of taking on the roles of Arthur and Guinivere? There could be a love triangle between Snow, Lancelot and Charming.
I wouldn’t mind Lancelot being the one to train Snow or them to have even had a brief romance that didn’t go anywhere, but I don’t like the idea of Charming and Snow representing Arthur and Guinevere. I don’t mind them doubling up, well usually, with characters that represent more than one fairy tale, but I think the writers would be trying to cram to much into one set of characters if Charming and Snow are also Arthur and Guinevere and David/James and Mary Margaret. I think that there’s a lot that they could do if they ever decide to cover Arthur and Guinevere, but if Charming and Snow are them, then I’m afraid they’ll either skew too much towards the King Arthur story once again tainting what I love about Snowing, or they’ll just gloss over it being a big deal that Snowing are also Arthur and Guinevere, and for me I don’t think either approach would really work.
Also, if Snow and Charming get to be Guinevere and Arthur, then does Lancelot also get to be someone else famous too, or is he just Lancelot? I could see a lot of complaints if it’s the latter.
Hopefully, the writers know what they’re doing and it’s being blown out of proportion to get fans talking because I thought the last thing that Snowing needed was another love triangle to be involved in. For me, it’s like Emma and Snow being separated from the rest of Storybrooke, there’s already a lot of drama that they could do with them also being in Storybrooke without having to separate them from everyone else so soon.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Here’s yet another major spoiler. Don’t read below if you don’t want to be spoiled:
TVLINE BONUS SPOILER | An unexplored part of Snow White’s past apparently includes one memorable knight. “Lancelot (played by Teen Wolf’s Sinqua Walls) has a, uh, very ‘complicated’ relationship with Snow,” Kitsis teases. “The two of them have a secret that I’m not sure Charming knows.”
http://tvline.com/2012/09/06/fall-tv-preview-2012-spoilers-photos/#357545-30-Once-Upon-a-TimeOh no, I finally got something major, but it’s not what I wanted to read. Although I did suspect this only because I think that Charming’s real name is going to turn out to be a surprise like Arthur. (Not my theory, but it makes sense the way they’ve kept it such a mystery.)
I guess Emma and Snow do time travel. I’m guessing that there are two Snows though because surely present!Snow wouldn’t already be tempted by someone else, but she has to deal with Emma seeing whatever happened.
I just hope they do time travel in a way that makes sense because I’m thinking now that perhaps Snow, whether that be past!Snow or present!Snow or even Emma, wrote Henry’s book to ensure that Henry would get it later. Although it’s not my number one theory for the author of the book, if they’re time traveling, it could explain how they found out the stories of everyone. I would prefer it if time travel wasn’t used in the case of the Book or something important because if they started messing with the past like that, then there’s all these what-ifs about why they didn’t do _____ also to stop _____. It just causes too many problems and headaches, imo, if they start tampering with the past.
The title is “We Are Both”. http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/once-upon-time-episode-202-title.html
I’m so bored waiting for more spoilers and for better promos! 😥 This time last year it seemed like ABC had been promoting Once Upon a Time for quite awhile. Okay maybe wasn’t exactly at this time since it started later last year, but I do know that the promotion for the show was a lot bigger last year because before the pilot people at TWoP and another message board I visit complained about all the publicity for it. I don’t know what’s going on with ABC, but it seems like they’ve really dropped the ball.
Anyhow, here’s a few things I’ve found from other places, mostly FanForums.
From Entertainment Weekly,
now White escorts a friend through an exotic rural village. “I know this world,” she assures. “And it’s dangerous.”
– Magic now exists in the modern-day Maine town, except the Queen quickly learns it doesn’t work quite the same as in fairy-tale land.
– Characters have their memories back, which leads to all sorts of raw feelings–such as Emma having mixed emotions about her newly discovered parents. “She didn’t anticipate how much resentment she’d have for them giving her up,” says Morrison, whose character will also get some romance this season(her suggestion: Robin Hood).
So basically not really anything new except it confirms Emma and Snow traveling through Fairy Tale Land together. Oh, and Lana suggested pairing up Regina with Captain Hook. I’m guessing that’s more likely than Emma/Robin Hood because Robin already has a true love, unless it’s just a flirtation or fling.
The title for episode 2, which I need to post over there too, is “We Are Both”.
http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/once-upon-time-episode-202-title.html
On the Michael Raymond-James front, he was just offered a pilot on his Twitter by a producer 8 hours ago, I wonder what he’ll answer if he answers at all in public. I would expect Bae to be a long term character, but he might not be able to answer publicly that he’s already committed to a show, or he might but just try to be vague about it. I’m hoping for the latter just for some kind of spoiler.
