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I have to leave soon, but perhaps more fuel for the Blue Fairy is the true puppet master theory.
From ABC Medianet, http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=003310&type=lead
Now the fairytale characters must contend with magic in their quest to find a way home, as new fairytale characters are revealed, old acquaintances are revisited, and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.
Someone just posted this at Fan Forums, so I don’t know how accurate ABC Medianet has been in the past. I guess it could be someone else, but it just screams Blue Fairy to me. Maybe after Snow White and Charming find out about August, things really hit the fan, and we’ll see her turn against Snowing.
[adrotate group="5"]@Phee wrote:
That certainly looks like a mortal wound on poor MamaCharming. Ya know, this whole time I’d just assumed that Lancelot would be on the good guys’ side. If he’s a lost soul with a desire to regain his honour after being banished, I just figured he’d team up with the good guys. But now it’s looking like George may be one to hire him instead, to off MamaCharming, no less. These pictures do not bode well. 😕 Or maybe someone else kills her and then he comes along and finds her? That’s still a possibility, right?
Yes, I just would have figured since he’s Lancelot that he would just automatically be a good guy, but I guess that might be the twist that he might think he’s honorable because he’s doing what a King wants him to do, but he’s really not being honorable. I hope it’s possible that he’s the one that comes along and finds Mama Charming, but unfortunately I don’t think the chances are going to be that good. It seems a lot like Jiminy’s story in “That Still Small Voice”, so not really looking good for Mama Charming right now.
This quite literally made me LOL! 😆 Also: WORD! 😉
lol, see I don’t get the fangirling with Rumple in his leather pants because he’s still all Dark Curse one looking in them to me, but I could definitely become a fangirl of Lancelot if he keeps wearing nothing but leather pants.
Do we know for sure that the swing and the tent are both the same place though? The fort and swing say “Lost Boys’ house in Neverland” to me, but the tent says “Snowing’s hidden mission command point.” One of them is a structure that can be hastily set up and taken down should the need arise to move on. The other is a permanent fixture where you’d go to chill out. The settings look like different places too. The fort and swing are in a bright, sunny spot, but the tent appears to be deep in the woods.
That makes sense that it’s two different locations. The tent is probably used by Snowing, and the fort/swing is from near the end of the episode when they introduce Neverland to set up Captain Hook for episode 4.
Good question.
Based on just how I think the show wants viewers to see the Blue Fairy and Keegan Connor Tracy’s most recent interview, I would say that I don’t think she’s a puppet master. I think the show tries to present her as someone that has to make choices, maybe not always the right ones, but generally working for the greater good.
However, based on the feelings I get while watching the Tracy’s acting in some scenes and what choices the show has had the Blue Fairy make, I can’t help wonder if she’s not really the puppet master behind Rumple.
I think the show wants us to only see her as a “good” character, so I should probably stop wondering about her true motives, but I just don’t like her character at all. It’s not only about liking Rumple as a character either because a lot of people, not all though, that defend the Blue Fairy think it is. I think Rumple was a coward, and it was his own fault that he lost his son. So I don’t blame her on Rumple not going with Bae. I do think she should have told Bae more about what would happen when he used the magic bean, but again it’s still all on Rumple that he was a coward and didn’t go with Bae. I also think that she should have straight out lied to Rumple that there was no way that he could ever reunite with Bae again because he got the whole Dark Curse idea from her. I’m not saying that he wouldn’t have still plotted the idea because he probably would have eventually, but that whole bean stuff is just bizarre to me because just going by the actress in those scenes. First she seems like wants Bae and Rumple gone for her own reasons after she gives Bae the bean. Then, she’s all ambiguous when she “accidentally” reveals to Rumple that a curse could reunite him with his son. Not to mention her little speech that she gives to Rumple about how she’s working for the greater good because every villain/”bad” person generally thinks that they are too. Finally, I don’t know what to think about her not introducing the idea of true love’s kiss to redeem Rumple either. It just seems so common as a cure at least judging by “Pilot”, “Skin Deep”, “What Happened to Frederick”, and “A Land Without Magic” that she could have suggested the idea first to Bae, but for now I won’t hold that against her because it could be just be the writing’s fault and not a fault of the character for not suggesting it to Bae first.
Even without the whole magic bean incident to make me suspicious of her there was “Dreamy”. That episode was probably one of my least favorites of the season, and besides introducing the idea that Rumple hates the fairies, it seemed like a lot of filler for one episode, imo. So maybe I started to read into things that weren’t really there, but it bothered me that the Blue Fairy was so against Dreamy and Nova as a couple. I can understand being concerned about Nova and Dreamy actually making it as a couple, but she took it too far imo. I don’t buy the excuse that she’s trying to prep Nova to be the next Head of the Fairies either because Nova seems so inept at her job, and there’s so many other fairies that surely there’s someone else that could be the next leader instead of Nova. As a “good” creature, I would have thought that she would have encouraged true love no matter who it was between because that kind of magic is so rare even in their world, but instead she put the kibosh on it. To me it just felt like she was more concerned about not losing any subordinates that worked for her and all about getting that fairy dust than actually being concerned about the feelings of Nova and Dreamy.
Then, there was “The Stranger” that sealed the deal for me. Again maybe it was the writing’s fault as to why Gepetto could have been the only one that could build the wardrobe despite the fact that the fairies are magical, and there’s surely a lot of other craftsmen that would have done the job much faster and without any kind of demands that would threaten their whole world, but no it had to be Gepetto. So she lies to Snow White and Prince Charming, even though previously she says fairies never lie. So my mild dislike of the Blue Fairy turned into full blown loathing after that episode.
I would think it would make a great plot twist if it did turn out all along that the Blue Fairy was the real puppet master behind everything because Fairy Tale Land was dying, and she needed to get to another world or some reason like that. I don’t think it will happen though because I think the show wants viewers to see her as a “good” but also flawed character, but for me I don’t think they did a good job of doing that because all I see now is the bad things she had done since for me she really hasn’t done enough for me to overlook those and focus on the positive things that she’s done. Sure she finally answered Jiminy’s wish, but that was only after he already helped turn Gepetto’s parents into puppets. She “helped” Bae, but then let his dad know that they could eventually be reunited through a curse. She also didn’t help stop the Ogre Wars, at all despite Morraine saying that she was more powerful than Rumple. She helps save Emma, but then lies to her parents about how many people can fit in the wardrobe, so baby Emma could have died which means everyone would have been doomed. She helps Snow attack King George’s castle, but that whole scene is probably one of the most cringe-worthy and cheesiest ever on this show, so far, so instead of showing something positive that the Blue Fairy has done, I found that whole thing embarrassing to watch.
Thanks for the pictures. I’ve read some very interesting theories about them.
Unfortunately I would agree with the theory that this maybe the episode that we find out why we haven’t seen Charming’s mom in Storybrooke because she was killed already in Fairy Tale Land. I only hope that Lancelot isn’t the person that does it like people are theorizing, but he definitely could be if he was hired by King George, since he’s a sword for hire, and season 2 is about redemption. 🙁 Of course, it may just be that his redemption has nothing to do with killing Charming’s mom, but have to do with the love triangle between him, King Arthur, and Guinevere. I really hope so because I really wan to like Lancelot especially after seeing him in his leather pants, and I don’t think I can do that if he had anything to do with Charming’s mom’s death.
There was also a theory that perhaps Charming blames Rumple for his mom’s death which was the cause of the rift between them. That makes sense also, but I wish Charming had brought up the fact that his mom was still in danger in season 1, which should have nullified his deal with Rumple. I just hope it doesn’t come across in season 2 that now all of a sudden Charming is finally interested in his mom being in danger from King George since he apparently forgot all about her in season 1.
As for the picture with the swing, I’ve read that it could either be Neverland or where Snow and Charming hide out. The latter is probably more likely given the tent, and because I don’t think we’ll get any shots of Neverland until episode 4.
I just wonder why there aren’t any pictures of Michael Raymond-James. I’m going to theorize, probably wrongly, that his scenes don’t take place in Fairy Tale-Land yet, so he’s someone we’ll encounter in Storybrooke first like August which might lend more credence to him being Peter or Jack or Bae or Henry’s dad or some combination of those choices.
I would really like this idea since I can’t always get home on time from work for the scheduled chats.
Wow so many new things to comment on.
@Josephine wrote:
Lmao @ you stalking him on twitter and trying to find out his schedule. Are you sure you’re not working for TMZ. 😉
lol, oh no you found out my true identity. My real name is Cindy Glass, and my boss is [del]Regina Mills[/del], er Harvey Levin.
You’re nothing if not dedicated to the cause. Love your work.
Thanks. I wish there would have been some pictures of Michael Raymond-James on set by now, but I don’t even know if they’re technically filming again. Earlier in the week, I read that they were filming indoors, but now it seems like there might have been a break because some of the actors just returned to the set while Emilie de Ravin was in LA last night. I just hope there’s more news soon about episode 3 because I’m not sure how he’s going to figure in at all with Lancelot also being in that episode, since Michael Raymond-James just doesn’t seem King Arthur-like or Merlin-like to me.
PS. How stinking cute is this pic?! http://t.co/nuLPzZDl
That was extremely cute. I think he’ll fit right in with the rest of the cast based on his tweets.
But like others, I’m wrong a lot and can’t wait to find out what really happens. I haven’t been this excited since Harry Potter. The tight plot of OUaT reminds me of what I loved about HP. No matter what you think is going to happen, you are still surprised. You go back and there are clues. Love that.
Yes, I haven’t been this obsessed about something since Harry Potter either. That made me wonder if Lil’Red is correct and that the Bae mystery is a red herring to overshadow a bigger mystery because after he comes back this season presumably, and they clear up answers about Dr. Whale, Henry’s dad, Cora’s mom being the Miller’s daughter, who wrote the book, etc., what new mysteries are they going to introduce if they haven’t already introduced them somehow in the show? Perhaps we’ve overlooked these mysteries.
Ooh. Another reason to dislike the Blue Fairy. I do wonder if Eddy and Adam set out to make her shady or it’s just us fans who are looking at it skewed. I think maybe non-fandom watchers, like those in my family who watch but aren’t obsessed, may not pick up on the evil vibe we’re getting. Maybe she isn’t evil, but I still think she’s morally gray. Working for the greater good doesn’t always help the greater good, if you can understand that.
Yes, I’m not really sure that she’s “bad” or even suppose to be morally gray because it didn’t really seem like the actress portraying the Blue Fairy had any more clue than we did in a recent interview, but I can’t help but thinking that maybe the mysteries that will be resolved in season 2, were possibly to cover up a bigger mystery like perhaps the Blue Fairy’s true motive behind everything. Or it could be some other mystery that we haven’t realized yet that has nothing to do with the Blue Fairy, but right now she’s the only one that seems like she could have a hidden agenda and be powerful enough to be working behind the scenes.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
ABC released some previews of what’s to come on the DVD extras:
Thank you so much for posting these.
Bonus Scene – Once Upon a Time – I’m Your Friend Too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8g7MKHToGE&feature=player_embeddedBoo hiss!!! I wasn’t expecting this. I think I needed time to prepare like when I found out that Regina was going to kiss David in The Stranger.
Bonus Scene – Once Upon a Time – I’m Your Friend Too Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bin5HdhhiVE&feature=player_embeddedAw, I loved this heartbreaking scene. I wish this had been included in the actual series because I think it would have made Emma’s reaction to August trying to prove to her that she’s the Savior even more impactful.
Spoiler just in case Plus, I would have also liked this scene to be kept in because when Snow and Emma try to bond this season as mother and daughter, this memory is surely going to be going through both mother's and daughter's mind for a long, long time to come.
Oh the feelings. 😥
ETA: I just remembered that was right after Emma called Mary Margaret her family. Even more feelings now. 😥
Ever since last Friday night when the news about Michael Raymond-James joining the show was released but not his character, I’ve been following his Twitter account hoping for any new information because it seems like he updates pretty regularly. Plus, he seems like a really funny and nice guy, and so far we have the same slant on social issues when he’s being serious.
Sorry me Tweeties, I should’ve mentioned. I’m headed to Storybrooke, stupid early 2mro. Wish I could reply to all. Thx for the love. Cheers
I just thought it was interesting that he’s flying up to Vancouver to start shooting already. I think they’re on episode 3 now unless they film things out of order again, so that’s weird to me because I didn’t expect Jack or Peter Pan to show up until episode 4. Although I suppose if Captain Hook is in episode 4, Peter or whomever MR-J is suppose to be, they could lay the groundwork for his character in episode 3.
J88Ryan: @MRaymondJames Are you going to try to make the Alabama game?
MRaymondJames: @J88Ryan wish I could. Had to pass on tickets
J88Ryan: @MRaymondJames That stadium is insane. Better to be working though.
There’s also sort of a mystery about how long he’s going to be up there shooting, so I think he’ll be in episode 3 and 4. If it were only one episode I think he would be able to attend the Michigan-Alabama game on September 1 because it seems each episode takes about two weeks to film, and if he’s getting up there today to start shooting, there’s no reason that he shouldn’t be free on that day, if he were only going up for one episode.
MRaymondJames: @RyanBingham If I’m not at work in Vancouver on the 27th, you bet your ass I’ll b there. Promise to stay upright as well. haha @FondaTheatre
He seems more confident that he’ll be free on September 27 to attend a Ryan Bingham concert, but not a 100% sure, so before the mid-season break, it seems like he could be in anywhere between 2 to perhaps 5 or more episodes.
lol, this might be the most obsessive I’ve got over the show though because I feel like such a stalker right now. I’m just very curious about who Michael Raymond-James is playing. It just feels a bit early to have him be Bae in episode 3, since Lancelot is also in that episode unless like I wrote before, they’re laying down the groundwork for a big Bae reveal in episode 4 with Captain Hook and Milha. I could be wrong, but just going by the length of time that he could be up there, if he’s really serious about possibly being there by the end of next month, he must be someone important and not just another fake out, (at least that’s what I’m telling myself right now, :D).
@Lil’Red wrote:
You bring up a good point AntBee, I’m probably just being shallow not wanting him to be Bae. In everything I’ve seen him in, he is a compelling actor that constantly surprises me: plus he could hold his own against Robert.
Yes, in some of the pictures, he doesn’t quite bring the pretty/sexy I pictured for Bae, but I think his charisma and swagger really come through when he’s onscreen. (lol, I will never stop using the word swagger until we finally get our Jack/Bae for sure even though I hate that word in real life. 😀 )
Of course, the more I build him up now, the more I’m going to be disappointed when he’s not Bae, but at this time, if he is Bae, right now I’m glad they decided to go for substance over immediate eye candy because while I love the eye candy on the show, sometimes the acting isn’t as great as the pretty. Now some of it is the writing but not all though.
Plus, I like that he stands out compared to the rest of the fake!Baes at least to me because he looks very rugged and manly.
Still feels too cut and dry, like once again their leading us off. Every time they describe someone as ‘dark’ or ‘mysterious’ now, I just want to call their bluff.
Yes, I bet he won’t turn out to be Bae now, and that they’re having fun messing with us again. Seriously if I were a blond or a redheaded male actor in my 20s-30s, right now I would think about protesting the show because all they’ve hired are brunettes since they hired Eion Bailey.
I really think some reporter should get Jen really drunk during an interview, take her to dinner, and then ask her who Henry’s father is. She admitted at ComicCon that she’s known from the beginning. And I really need to know the answer for my sanity. Maybe they could take David, too, to get some answers on who Dr. Whale actually is.
Oh that would be wonderful; although if I was dating Sebastian Stan, I don’t think I would be tempted by anyone else. 😆
AntBee, I told you that song was depressing. It’s even more haunting when sung. It will be interesting to find out who this Mihla actually is. Poor Bae had it even worse than Emma, imo, so I wonder how screwed up he’ll actually be.
Yes, if Milha does turn out to be his mom, and she was in a situation like that, then his childhood became even more messed up. I really hope that when Emma is trying to deal with accepting what her parents did to save her life that he can help her realize that she could have had it much worse because at least her parents didn’t abandon her because they were selfish like maybe his mom and dad did to him.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Please, please don’t be Baelfire…Beaman? Fine, I could easily see him playing that kind of character. But, I really don’t think he looks like Dylan. Thoughts anyone?
Yes, I don’t mean to be shallow, but what Josephine posted a page back, please for Jack/Bae.
They really are just toying with us now. I have a suspicion Jack will be brunette and gorgeous, too.
I mean it’s not like he’s ugly, but he doesn’t look anything like Dylan Schmid or Robert Carlyle at all. While his eyes and hair match, I guess, the rest just doesn’t imo. However, if he is Bae, I will be okay with him as long as his acting is on par with Robert Carlyle’s, then I won’t care what he looks like.
Although I have to add, if he does turn out to be Jack/Bae, right now I feel sort of cheated because Julian Morris and Colin O’Donoghue look more like I would picture Bae to look like as an adult. Of course, I’m not familiar with Michael Raymond-James’s talent, so maybe I’ll see the “swagger like Jagger” that Jack is suppose to have, if he is in fact Jack/Bae.
ETA: I just looked up some of his work on YouTube, and I’m smitten with him. (So of course, he’s not going to be Bae now that I wouldn’t mind him being Bae.) He’s not what I pictured Bae to look like at all, but I think he definitely has swagger. While older than I imagined, I think that can definitely work for the character. I think he can match up well against Robert Carlyle in scenes that they’re in together if he’s Bae too which is a big plus.
Gosh, this theorizing is starting to sound exactly like the folk song “House Carpenter”. Boy, that song is depressing. It’s a story about a woman abandoning her baby and husband to go off with her true love. It ends tragically. i’m on a tablet and can’t get YouTube so here is a link to the lyrics.
That was really depressing. 😥
I wonder if they’ll go that route with Milha then because if she’s just a bored housewife that leaves and never comes back to her family, I don’t think I would like her very much. However, if she’s a bored housewife that realizes that she shouldn’t have left her baby, I would certainly feel more sympathy towards her, at least I think so if it was like in the song, and I think more fans would too. Plus, I think it adds another layer to the one true romantic love theme throughout the show in that Captain Hook may have been Milha’s one true romantic love, but since she was already married and had a child, then maybe going after one’s true love isn’t such a wonderful idea at that point anymore.
I expect we’ll see also see this idea with Lancelot’s character, so maybe season 2 will be the cautionary side of romantic true love. I also read that Prince Phillip is torn between Aurora and someone else, but I’m not sure how true that spoiler is. So there would be another possible example. Then, of course, if Henry’s dad does come back on the scene as Jack/Bae, I would expect that’s not going to go too well this season between Emma and him.
