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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Is the footage of Hook that we’ve seen actual footage that will be used on the show or just promo footage for the character?

I think that was just promo footage, but I do think he is connected to Rumple somehow.

We saw him breaking into Mr Gold’s shop, could that suggest that Rumple is going to be his enemy? Crazy theory just popped into my head but what if (if Rumple is Hook’s enemy) Hook tries to steal Belle off of Rumple. Belle did say she wanted to see the world in Skin Deep, and as a pirate captain, Hook would have travelled so he could tell her about his travels with the “meticulous style and old-school manners of a proper gentleman”. “Hook relishes every challenge and never backs down from a fight, whether the reward is power, riches, or women” Belle would be a challenge seeing as she is Rumple’s true love. “beneath that veneer lies a vindictive enemy who will not rest until all his enemies have been defeated… and humiliated.” What would be more humiliating for Rumple than Belle leaving him for a younger man? What if the theories of Rumple’s first wife running off with Hook are true and now Hook is trying to take Belle away from Rumple? What if Bae is Hook’s biological son?

So many theories from one tiny bit of casting info.

I agree there’s just so much to theorize from one tiny bit of casting. 😀

First, I thought he looked younger than what I thought they were going for Captain Hook too. Then, I just looked at his age on IMDb, and he’s way younger than I expected Captain Hook to be. I did read a theory just now though that perhaps he was once a lost boy too, and that’s why he’s still pretty young looking.

Second, I was thinking almost the exact same things about Captain Hook. I was thinking that maybe the flashback will be to when Captain Hook met up with Milha, Rumple’s ex, and then something happened between them. I think she eventually died though and won’t be seen in present day Storybrooke. However, Beaman will turn out to be Captain Hook’s Storybrooke identity, and yes, he’ll want to get back at Rumple. I definitely see him going after Belle, and maybe even joining up with Regina to get back at Rumple since right now she really doesn’t have any allies since it will probably be very difficult for Giancarlo Esposito to come back regularly to the show. (I read the teaming up Regina theory at the same place I read the theory about Hook being a former Lost Boy.)

Of course, another one of his enemies will be Peter Pan, whoever that turns out to be. I want to say Dr. Whale, but if Bae is Hook’s son, that just adds another layer of drama there. (Ahhhhh!!!! September 30th is just too far away.) I think that Bae will turn out to be Rumple’s though just because if Milha is Bae’s mom, it sounded like she was married and had a baby with Rumple, but then got bored with her life, and then went after something more.

It’s certainly possible though that maybe Hook was her one true love, or at least she thought he was, or maybe some other guy that’s not Rumple. She gets together with this guy, gets pregnant, but Hook or the other guy doesn’t want anything to do with her after that. So she ends up married to Rumple who is okay not being the biological father. Things are okay for a short while, but then she begins to hate her life and looks for excitement in the local taverns where she meets up with Hook either again or for the first time.

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I hate to post from my phone, but really Once Upon a Time casting people! I’m not going to fall for it again even though he has brown hair, okay the eyes aren’t the right color but looking at Pinocchio that might not be a factor either. Why are you doing this to me show?!?

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@Lil’Red wrote:

Really thought Rumple and the Blue Fairy had their memories for most of the first season: knowing now that they didn’t leaves so many questions…How did he manage to track baby-Henry in Phoenix? Why a baby states away when there had to have been available babies in New England? Who brought him to Maine if Rumple couldn’t leave?

I assumed, when I thought he remembered all along, that Rumple had PIs tracking Emma and sending him info. for 28 years: so he knew about Henry and where she was.[

I think I read somewhere that we’ll be seeing more of Emma’s past next season, so maybe some of these questions could be answered..Intrigued: what’s the alternative???

PriceofMagic: I’m getting to the point where I’m probably just seeing what I want to see..

I really thought that Rumple had his memories all along. Even the first time, the writers came out and said he didn’t, I was like there’s no way because who else could have orchestrated everything from getting Henry for Regina to writing the book and making sure it would end up with Henry if he didn’t know from the very beginning. Then, they said it again, so I finally accepted it. Other than trying to figure out those big questions, I guess on some level it makes sense because Rumple might have been pushed over the edge if he had to live with his memories of Bae for 28 years but not be able to go seek him out in our world. Plus, by keeping those memories hidden, at least for now Regina doesn’t know anything about Bae; although, I get super pissed at Rumple when he does things like challenges Regina about the real reason he made the Curse, because that’s only going to put Bae in more danger when he shows up, not that he wouldn’t be anyways, but no need to put him any more danger I say. (To be fair, that was before Rumple knew that Regina had Belle locked up, so maybe he’ll realize he needs to be a bit more careful around her now.)

As for who brought baby Henry, I still have no clue if Rumple and the Blue Fairy are both ruled out. The only explanation that I can think of is that the Curse did it because Henry was the only baby that could be brought to Storybrooke since his parents are both from the Enchanted Forest. I’m still under the impression that regular people couldn’t just enter Storybrooke, so I have no idea even if Rumple had looked for a baby and found out through making phone calls or what not that there was a baby available, how Henry could have even been brought inside Storybrooke if non-magical people couldn’t enter. Maybe it will be a plot hole that won’t be explained because I really hate the idea that Bae would do something like that especially if he’s Henry’s father.

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@Josephine wrote:

Does anyone think there is a chance Charming encountered Belle in the Evil Queen’s dungeon? Snow met Grumpy in King George’s cell. Just a thought I had today. She probably had Belle then, although we’re not positive. So they could have been in her prison at the same time.

Interesting theory. It would be a nice parallel since Grumpy and Belle also know each other. (By the way, any chance Grumpy and/or Nova will appear in your “Charming White Gold Swan” saga?)

I just realized all the main characters except Regina have been imprisoned at one point.
Snow-King George and in Storybrooke
Charming-King George and Regina
Rumple-Charmings and Storybrooke
Belle-Regina
Emma-teenager in Arizona
Henry-in utero 🙂

That’s too funny. Don’t forget that Emma was in prison in Storybrooke in the pilot too. I bet that Henry’s father has been in jail before also.

Mmm, maybe it’s suppose to be ironic because Regina has held everyone prisoner for the last 28 years or more in some cases, but she’s really the one in the prison of her own making.

I doubt Rump’s deal making days are over. Since he probably just gave Regina some powers again, he can probably countdown the minutes until someone shows up looking for his help to stop her.

Oh, I’m sure they’re not, but I just wish the “good guys” wouldn’t be so hypocritical about going to him for help. I can understand in some situations that he manipulates, but the other times, I’d like to see them trying to think their way out of a situation before just automatically going to him. Maybe it would take too much time to include scenes like that, but just once and awhile, I’d like to see that first or at least have the “good guys” stop complaining about how evil Rumple is if they keep running to him for help all the time.

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I agree this is fun. 😀

1. The character you first fell in love with…
Definitely Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold because of Robert Carlyle. I’ve been a big fan of his since the 90s, and I always expected to him to be a bigger star. I’m very happy that he’s sort of having a career renaissance with Once Upon a Time, so not only does he get a juicy role to showcase his talents but more people will know who he actually is.

2. The character you never expected to love as much as you do now…
I would say probably Henry. At first, I was a little worried that he might be a little too precocious, but by the end of the season, I realized that he’s truly the heart of the show in many ways, and that if they actually killed him off in the finale, which I do they weren’t going to do, but if they did, the show wouldn’t be the same show.

3. The character everyone else loves that you don’t…
I have to agree with the majority so far. I don’t hate Graham, but until his final episode, I thought Jamie Dornan was very pretty to look at but very wooden too. So I don’t really miss his character although I miss the eye candy.

4. The character you love, but everyone else hates…
Definitely Emma and Henry. They don’t get much if any hate here, but it seems like there’s nothing but hate for them elsewhere. Prince Charming would probably be third just because everyone seems to hate David, for good reason, but then that spreads over into hating Prince Charming too.

Oh, I guess this would be mostly in fan fiction, but Maurice. I understand that it’s just fan fiction, but it seems like he’s always written as the worst possible father in the world, when I actually think on the show, he was shown to be a pretty good and loving parent.

5. The character you used to love, but don’t any longer…
I can’t really say because so far I haven’t fallen out of love with anyone that I love yet.

6.  The character you would totallly smooch…
Mmm, this show has so much eye candy, but I guess I’ll go with Rumple/Mr. Gold, but only when he’s not all Dark One looking.

7.  The character you’d want to be like…
Snow White. She’s not as clueless, usually, as they sometimes made Emma. Plus, she’s a great combination of being badass but totally forgiving of her enemies too.

8.  The character you’d like to slap…
If she couldn’t retaliate against me, of course, I’d have to answer Regina. Then, I’d slap Sydney for being Regina’s lap dog. I’d slap Cora too, but I’m not sure if she’s still alive or not to slap. (Well that, and I’m actually more afraid of Cora at this point than Regina.) I sort of want to slap the first Henry too for indulging his daughter so much, but I’m not sure how much abuse that he occurred at Cora’s hands either so for now he gets a pass. Ooh, I guess I’ll have to add Jefferson too because he annoys me because he knows how Regina is, yet he still agrees to works for her. I get the feeling that if she offered him another deal, he would take it again while also trying to work with Rumple now, then get all pouty again when they both screwed him over.

Then, I’d actually slap Rumple for Bae because Rumple used his magic to destroy their world to bring everyone to this world just so that he could be reunited with his son, which is what Bae would absolutely not have wanted his father to do.

Of course, I’d have to slap The Blue Fairy for being a liar or at least being a very good with holder of the truth, and then I guess August because he didn’t come back because of Gepetto, Emma, or the other townspeople, but only because he was about to be turned back into wood.

9.  A pairing that you love…
For the main pairings, I love Rumbelle and Snowing equally. I don’t get why it seems like certain shippers have to hate the other ship, not here, but again it seems to happen a lot at other places for some reason. I think both pairings plus whomever they pair Emma up will all get equal time on the show, so I don’t see the need for fans of either pairing to get nasty with each other.

For the secondary pairings, I love Abigail/Frederick and like Grumpy/Nova.

10.  A pairing that you despise…
Swan Queen would definitely be the ship that I dislike the most. I get why people ship it in theory, but I think for Emma and Regina, it’s not really a love-hate relationship because Regina really does hate Emma and while Emma may not downright hate Regina, the way Regina hates her, there’s no way they could possibly get over what’s occurred for any time of romantic relationship. Even in fan fiction, it still wouldn’t work for me, because it would be basically retconning the whole show and their characters.

The other ship right now would be Mad Swan. Again, I get why it’s popular, and I don’t want to offend anyone that likes it, but I’m just not a fan because I think there’s just too much there for them to get past right now. This probably makes me a hypocrite because if Bae turns out to be Henry’s father, then I’ll expect Emma and Bae to get past their issues to be involved. I guess for me it’s different because they already have a history together and because right now I think they have a lot in common to make a relationship work. Plus, I think that Grace’s mom is still alive, and that Jefferson, mom (Alice maybe?), and Grace will all be reunited eventually on the show, so I’d just rather skip Mad Swan on the show and just get to Jefferson reuniting with his family again.

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@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Does Rumpel even need to worry being an outcast? He’s the freaking Dark One. I don’t think he really cares. 😆 He’s never shown any concern for being accepted or liked. So, I don’t think Emma and the Charmings avoiding him is going to hurt his feelings. Their relationship will probably revert back to what it was in Fairytale land. They hate Rumpel, and yet, they allow themselves to get tricked by him constantly. I’m just hoping they don’t do what Snow did in “Heart of Darkness.” Snow knew that Rumpel was bad news, and yet she asked for his help anyway. I kind of see that same naivity remaining in tact, unfortunately.

Good point about how they hate him, yet they’re all willing to make deals with him all the time. I hope the “good guys”, specifically the Charmings, realize that at one point that either they have to stop running to him for everything when they don’t want to get their hands dirty doing it themselves if they think he’s such a bad guy, or they’re going to have to acknowledge that yes, he’s done some pretty bad things, but realize how much he’s helped them out at times. Not that he didn’t have his own motives for helping them, but still that irritates me that even when he wasn’t involved in trying to make the “good guys” go to him, they still do, then he helps them, and then they treat him like dirt afterwards when no one forced them to go to him for help.

Oh well, maybe they’ll explain more about what happened between “The Price of Gold” and “A Land Without Magic” because maybe his behavior did become even worse and that’s why they felt they had to lock him up, because otherwise it didn’t really make any sense since Rumple helped bring Snowing together in the first place.

Judging by the new spoilers provided by Emilie herself, I don’t think maing friends is going to be Belle’ main concern. She said that Belle would be a bit darker next season, thus possibly making her a little more sympathetic to Rumpel’s cause. So, I don’t think Belle will even want to make friends with the rest. The experience of being locked in a mental asylum and being in love with Dark One will make her much darker and a little more mature than her former Fairytale self.

Yes, while it would be nice to see Emma, Snow, Belle, and Red all be friends with each other, it might not happen that way because Snow and Red might be weary of making friends with Belle at first because of her association with Rumple. It would probably be hard for them to tell her anything in confidence without thinking that she might tell Rumple something about what they said until they learn to trust her. So maybe by the end of the season, they’ll be friends especially if they have to join together to fight an outside force like Regina.

Emma has never really had any friends besides Snow, and they’re going to have adjust to being mother and daughter, not to mention everything else on her plate, so I’m not sure how likely a friendship, at least this season, is between her and Belle either since she’s probably still pissed off at Rumple for running off with the potion while Henry was dying.

Oh I just remembered that her and Grumpy knew each other in the Enchanted Forest, so he’ll probably hang out together again, and perhaps he’ll help get the other “good guys” to trust her. That seems likely, although, because of the Bae mystery and her being one of the few people that knows about Rumple’s son, I want her and Henry to end up becoming friends too, and Henry finding out about Bae, especially if Bae is his dad, through his friendship with Belle. I’m not sure how likely the possibility now, but maybe they’ll end up bonding over his book or something.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

That’s a good point, AntBee. Being the ‘savior’ could turn into something along the lines of Harry Potter being the ‘chosen one’ – she could be hounded by people’s problems, fanboys, media at all angles. Knowing someone who, although he grew up in EF and is more familiar with fairytale culture than she is, came into adulthood and survived in our world would be comforting. And she can also use him as a source of information on what he remembers about the EF. I see both Emma and Baelfire as people who struggled, but survived and even prefer this world to fairytales. We all know Baelfire won’t be embracing magic when he finally appears, and I don’t see Emma relaying on it heavily (or at least hope she’ll remain fixed on ‘doing it yourself’). I can see them bonding over this…

Thanks. 🙂 I think that’s what I like about the possibility of Bae/Emma the most right now because if you look at August/Emma or even Jefferson/Emma, they were more concerned about her helping them out first rather than liking her first.

I just always see Emma/August brought up at another forum that I just go to for any new spoilers. I admit they might try out the pairing on the show for a possible triangle, but I just can’t see August being Emma’s one true love because of him only coming back to town to help her believe so that he wouldn’t be turned to wood again, at least imo. Is it understandable that he did so, sure, and I’m sure that Emma understands on some level, but on some level, I also think she now is going to group him with everyone else that expects her to save them now. Eventually she’ll accept being the hero, but for a love interest, I think she needs someone that liked her for herself first rather than only being interested in her saving him first.

Even if Baelfire isn’t Henry’s dad, I can see having this understanding of a ‘normal’ life easily connect the two during magic-mania.

Yes, I totally agree with this. While I think it makes a lot of sense for Bae to turn out to be Henry’s dad, even if he isn’t, I think Bae/Emma still have a lot in common on paper that other potential Emma ships simply won’t have.

I do get a feeling that a love triangle may be on the horizon for Emma, so maybe the other guy (a foil to Bae 😉 ) would relay heavily on magic/fairytale stuff to illustrate this fundamental difference.

Oooh, I hope not just because I’m afraid how the show will handle a true love triangle since I don’t consider Mary/David/Kathryn to be one. It could definitely be one way they do that though. I just hope it’s not Jefferson who seems like he could fit.

I just worry because Jane Espenson’s already loves him, but I don’t want Emma/Jefferson to be Buffy/Spike redux. I think it worked on Buffy, but I’m not sure if it would work on OUaT because even if he was trying to be reunited with his daughter which Emma could relate to, he did kidnap her and her mom and drugged her. Then, he helped Regina again which almost lead to Henry dying. She might be able to forgive him if he only kidnapped her to get Grace back since she “kidnapped” Henry too, but I don’t think she could forgive everything else enough to be be with him romantically.

That is good to think about though in how Bae will react if Emma has magic. Obviously it’s “good” magic, but I wonder if that would still scare him knowing what happened to his father and how his father used his powers for good at times too. Maybe he’ll be there to help guide her in case she starts using it too much.

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@hjbau wrote:

I actually still really think Ep 1 is going to be an Emma episode, but the fairytale land part may be a little bit of everyone like in the pilot. Though it is possible that Emma might fall through the hat or a vortex to somewhere which is crazy to think about. I thought they might have Emma in another world at some point, but i didn’t think they would do it this season, but not it seems like a possibility.

Yes, now that I think about it Jennifer Morrison said or tweeted that she had a lot to do in this episode, so it makes sense that this is Emma-centric, and episode 3 is Snowing-centric because of Lancelot being a sword-for-hire to help them take back the Kingdom. So hopefully that means that wherever Snow and Emma are in episode 2, they return quickly so that Snowing are together again in Storybrooke in episode 3.

Any guesses to the following questions? How did Emma and Snow get sent away from Storybrooke? Where did they go? How will they get back? When will they get back?

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@hjbau wrote:

I actually think that the person who said the first two episodes might have been filmed out of order might be right. In the picture it seems like Red and Granny might be wearing what they were wearing when they got their memories back whereas in the pictures from last week they were wearing different clothes and it seems like Emma and Snow are missing.

Yes, I believe this is true because of the posts on Tumblr that they’re wearing what they were wearing in the last episode. Plus, it also explains why Emma and Snow were missing in the “first” episode, because something happens to them in the actual first episode that causes them to disappear. Charming thinks it has to do with Jefferson, so he chases after him whether it does or not I’m not sure. Henry thinks that Regina is behind it and sneaks back into his old house trying to find what Regina did to Emma and Snow.

I don’t really know if Regina was behind Emma’s and Snow’s disappearance, but it seems likely. I don’t know if they land in Wonderland, but I believe they did because I think Cora is the Queen of Hearts there. I think Wonderland ties in with the “first” episode only because Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison were nearby. I just hope that Emma and Snow aren’t trapped their for more than one episode.

Anyhow, in this past Sunday’s chat, there was some discussion about the character centered episodes for next season and in which order, so this is just my theory based on the limited spoilers now.

First Episode: I think this is the episode that is being filmed now. While it would make sense to be an Emma episode right off the bat, I’m guessing it will be a Snowing episode mostly, because the spoilers about Prince Phillip and Aurora sound a little bit like Snowing’s story. Plus, I’m guessing Mulan being involved will tie in with the take back the kingdom line.

Second Episode: I think this is a Regina episode since I think this is the episode that Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison are going to be in. I don’t know if they were trying to throw off fans of the show by making it seem like this episode was the first episode or if it had something to do with the availability of someone like Barbara Hershey or Sebastian Stan.

Third Episode: If the first episode is a Snowing episode, then I think this will be an Emma episode, or vice versa. All I have to go by is the casting call for Lancelot, but based on this,

The casting call described him as “Male, African-American, British accent, late 20s to early 30s. A sword-for-hire, he’s one of the most dangerous men in Fairy Tale Land, because he’s a man with nothing to lose. In his tragic past, he was torn from his true love and banished from the king and country he served. Though he says he now serves only himself and his fee, he can’t help but be guided by his sense of honor, the memory of the man he once was and his true nobility.

I think it might be an Emma-centric episode because she’s similar to Lancelot in that she’s a “gun-for-hire” in some respects, certainly one of the most dangerous women in Storybrooke, and did have nothing to lose at one point. Of course, there’s her tragic past that she has where she was sent away from her world to protect her, which isn’t the same as being banished, but to her low esteem self she probably won’t be really ready to accept that her parents were trying to protect her yet.

Fourth Episode: This has to be a Rumple-centric episode based on casting calls for Beaman, which makes me think that it’s even more likely that Milha has got to be Rumple’s ex and Bae’s mom since this should be a Rumple-centric episode.

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@Josephine wrote:

I’m sticking with either Prince Eric or Gulliver. My money is down.

I thought I put my prediction in this thread, but I haven’t yet. My first prediction was him being Prince Eric, but since they haven’t cast an Ariel, I don’t think it’s him. (Although maybe one of the plots for season 2 will be him trying to find her and reunite with her. Mmm, it sounds too much like Snowing part deux though, and unfortunately they may have made Whale too much of a douche from the start of the show for viewers to be concerned about him finding his one true love.)

My money is on Dr. Whale being Peter Pan just because it looks like we’ll find out early on who Dr. Whale is, and Captain Hook is arriving early on in the season.

I think they kept his identity a secret for a few reasons. Obviously, the copyright issues involving the use of Peter Pan was the big reason, but perhaps they always knew that going in that they wouldn’t have the rights for Peter Pan until their second season, so why not use Dr. Whale’s true identity as a way to misdirect people from the Bae mystery by setting it up to look like Bae is Peter Pan.

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