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@Phee wrote:
That will be an interesting interview. Hmmm, I’m convinced there’s more to BF, and think she did have a secret agenda, but I don’t necessarily think it was a selfish one.
I think she does too. It’s probably not selfish if she was the Enchanted Forest was dying, but I’m still keeping my eyes on her.
[adrotate group="5"]@Lil’Red wrote:
Told myself I wouldn’t be an annoying fangirl and freak out ever time a new, dark, mysterious, sexy man comes to town chanting BAELFIRE….Seriously though, does sound like Baelfire to me! My head canon has him as JACK but I’m wondering if tomorrow they’ll release another character that could be Bae…and the day after that…and the day after that….
I know I thought I wouldn’t do this either, but I couldn’t help myself because the description sounds so much like what I think an adult!Bae would sound like especially the part about “running from his past in a land full of danger”.
-He’s running away from his past in a dangerous land – Baelfire definitely has a dark past to run away from. His father is the freaking Dark One for God’s sake! And I can totally see him viewing our world as a dangerous new land. Guns, bombs, technology, ect. It’s all very foreign to him.
Yes, I wonder if that means he’s running away from his Enchanted Forest past and Earth is the land full of danger, or if it means that he’s running from his Earth past in Storybrooke that now has magic in it, if he is Bae, since he may have gotten involved in some sort of criminal activity like Emma and August did.
It’s probably just a red herring. They can’t say this character is going to become a series regular or a recurring character without spoiling it a bit. But then again, this fandom has done a pretty good job figuring things out so far So, the show is screwed either way.
That’s what I think too, but I’m not sure if it really means that or not.
He may not be Henry’s father at all. That’s just head canon for the time being. There’s more evidence pointing to him being Jack at the moment. But we’ll have to wait and see.
True, while my head canon is that he’s Henry’s father, there’s certainly more clues that he’s Jack of the Jack and the Beanstalk story at the moment because of his making the bad deal with dad could be a twist on the bad deal or at least what Jack’s mom thought was a bad deal that Jack made for their family cow for the beans. Of course, there’s obviously the magic bean link connecting Bae and Jack that none of the other male characters have. The magic bean took Bae to a different land just like the magic beans took Jack to a different land. I could also see Bae feeling like he landed in a land full of giants (giant people, giant buildings, giant cities) if he landed in a city like Boston in the past 28 years.
Finally, given the other descriptions that they’re looking for in “Jack’s” character, even if he isn’t Henry’s father, I think that they’re planning on pairing Bae/Jack with Emma. Even if Jack isn’t Bae, although I’m like 75% confident that he will turn out to be Bae, I think they’ll still pair him up with Emma. Or at least try to, although, I guess they could change their minds because I thought when August was first introduced, I read something about him being Emma’s eventual love interest, but I don’t know now if that was just someone guessing or an actual spoiler because if it was a spoiler, it seems like they went a different direction maybe because August never caught on as a character like Graham and Jefferson did, or for whatever reason.
Found this at Tumblr,
For Once Upon a Time, the role of [JACK] is being cast (as a “guest role with option”). He’s in his 20s or 30s, charismatic, sexy and mysterious, but also loyal and kind, and he’s running from his past in a land full of danger
It sounds like Bae to me.
@Phee wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Peter Pan being Henry’s father. I’m still hung up on Emma’s mention of pumpkin pie in the story about him, (and then they had Henry bring her a piece of pumpkin pie too, so it wasn’t just a throw away line), and how it could relate to Peter, Peter, Pumpkin Eater. And there’d be a certain delightful irony if Peter Pan, the boy who couldn’t grow up, (until he stayed in our world one day and began to age), fathered a child who became the only boy in Storybrooke who did grow up.
True, his name could be Peter, but that could also be a clue that he was a married man when he was with Emma, not necessarily that he’s Peter Pan. Or like in Lil’Red’s anthology, pumpkins could also be a reference to Jack O’Lanterns.
My problem with Bae being Peter Pan is that I would feel like it’s a retcon if he went to a world that did have magic. Now if they had covered Bae being Peter Pan last season or at least made references to the possibility that where Bae landed might have taken in some place magical once Rumple failed his part of his bargain, I wouldn’t think of it as a major retcon. However, I don’t feel that they did, so while I was not one of the sizable percentage of fans, at least on the Internet, that thought it was a major retcon in “The Stranger” that the wardrobe was actually able to hold 2 people because it happened in the same season that we first learned about the wardrobe, I do feel that Bae going to any world that had magic would be a major retcon at this point.
Not only that, I’m not sure how he would be able to realm jump, I guess because he’s Peter Pan? There’s a lot of other details like that at least for me that wouldn’t quite work out if Bae was Peter Pan. Assuming that he’s Peter Pan and also Henry’s father, I guess I really haven’t seen any clues that point to Emma being his Wendy at all. Or did he decide to leave Neverland and come here, and that’s when he met with Emma? How much time would he have spent in Neverland overall because I don’t want him to be that much older than Emma or maybe that much younger still? Why did he leave Neverland since it seems like a perfect place for a Lost Boy?
I know that they could answer all those questions, but I don’t know it just seems more straightforward and easier just to have Bae have landed in our world and end up in a similar situation like Emma was in being kept in care and putting up walls because of his abandonment issues that way if he is her true love, they’ll have a lot in common that no one else does.
@mia wrote:
It’s sad and funny at the same time that Gepetto is actually looking for a kid with that hat. Not that Pin is a kid – how should he know – but paint the hat on the poster as well! Seriously?!
I know, but I wonder if it’s because he’s still wooden or if it’s like a theory I just read that he’s still not being a good boy and is hiding out because of the fallout that’s going to happen when Snow and Charming realize that Marco sent him through with Emma. It’s probably that he’s still wooden though.
But because Emma grew up and she went through the wardrobe, it stands to reason that Pinocchio would also have grown up. Unless Geppetto is still trying to keep it a secret that he lied about the wardrobe.
While I could see August hiding out, I don’t think Marco/Gepetto is that cunning because he still seems to be sort of confused as to everything that’s going on around since he’s still calling himself his Storybrooke name instead of his real name.
He’s probably still looking for a ginger kid, too.
lol, they should just have Bae come back as a ginger before Gepetto finds out about August that way he’ll be even more confused to what’s going on.
I love the grandpa-grandson hug. 😀
I love it too. Is it just me or does Henry look even more like a young Bae now?
Seeing David Anders in these photos, hanging out with all the good guys, that suggests that he’s someone they knew as a good guy in FTL.
Yes, I thought he was someone good before in FTL (although my theory is that he’s Prince Eric), but hopefully these pictures confirm that.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@ Phee: You’re right; the Sleeping Beauty story is very fitting, since it’s as if everyone is awakening from a long slumber.
Also, it just occurred to me that Prince Phillip being from a less-well-off kingdom sounds familiar and very similar to Prince James’ story with King George.
It does seem fitting that Sleeping Beauty is the first fairy tale that they tackle right away.
Also, I agree that it does very familiar that Prince Phillip’s kingdom wasn’t doing that well either. I do think there’s some kind of truth to the theory that Fairy Tale Land was dying, and the Blue Fairy saw that it eventually would, so she had to find some way to get everyone here without getting her hands dirty or at least not as dirty as Rumple’s.
I’m not saying that she’s a Big Bad but that she might not be wholly good either. Since she believes she’s on the side is right, it makes sense imo that she would be okay with the ends justifying the means if it meant that everyone would have eventually died on in Fairy Tale Land if they hadn’t been brought here by the Curse.
@Josephine wrote:
I picked fairytale character because there’s not much else in Storybrooke at the moment, is there. My only problem with her getting a love interest is that I won’t be too invested in it since in my little world Baelfire is her true love and Henry’s father. But I see the need to have a foil until Bae shows up. Remember, this is my own theories and based on nothing. I’m just set on it happening. I need Henry to be Gold’s grandson.
Yes, I so want her and Bae to be together and have entertaining get togethers like in your Charming White Gold Swan saga. 😀 I think eventually they will, but it probably too soon this season.
At first, I thought the show would go with a love triangle between Bae, Emma, and August to keep Bae and Emma apart longer, but now that Eion Bailey is recurring and no longer a main cast member I’m not sure about this idea anymore.
This got me thinking about the pairings that have true love on the show, and I realized that love triangles didn’t really fit the pattern, which made me think maybe they won’t go that route after all either. Sure there was sort of a triangle between Mary Margaret, David, and Kathryn, but that’s because of the Curse not because it was a true love triangle. So it seems to me that if a couple is really meant to be on the show (ie, Rumbelle, Snowing, Abigail/Frederick, Grumpy/Nova), they’ll be kept apart by other obstacles besides a love triangle because then it wouldn’t be true love I guess if the other person felt something for someone else too. Of course, this doesn’t mean that if Bae/Emma are each other’s true loves that they couldn’t use a love triangle as an obstacle, but I think given their past history plus Emma finding out that Bae is Rumple’s son might be enough obstacles to keep them apart for awhile.
Of course, it’s possible that maybe Emma starts to or has some feelings for August, but then Bae comes back, and she realizes that whatever she feels for August can’t compare to the feelings she still has for Bae.
Wow! I’m so happy that they finally revealed that they will resolve Bae’s storyline and who Henry’s father is too. (Although I almost agree with some people on Tumblr that it almost seems too obvious now that they’re connected, but then who else would it be if we’ve already met Henry’s father like they keep hinting at. Plus, we’ve been able to guess obvious stuff before like Emma being the one to awake Henry after he ate the apple turnover with true love’s kiss, so maybe they just want us to over think it.)
@slurpeez108 wrote:
OMG – It’s Captain James Hook! (Unless Regina had her hand cut off!)
:ugeek:Wait – does that mean Kitsis and Horowitz were just pretending *NOT* to have the rights to Peter Pan? 😮
Oh, perhaps Baelfire is the famous boy who never grew up! Or even Bealfire is Hook? ❗I never would have thought of Bae being Hook, but he could be since he did touch all those objects that could be connected to Bae in someway. (Mmm, maybe that’s why August asked Rumple, “do I even look like your son”. If Bae was dressed as a pirate and missing a hand, then no August probably seemed nothing like Bae.
Of course, I would guess that Bae would be more Peter Pan than Captain Hook, but since they’re doing twists on the original stories, maybe there’s some kind of twist there. If Bae does turn out to be Captain Hook, then I wonder if Henry would be his Peter Pan then since Henry has all those clocks for some reason.
I’m still leaning towards Bae being the Jack in the Beanstalk story that they’re also doing next season, (someone at TWoP suggested that Jorge Garcia would be a good fit for the Giant, which makes sense), but having them bring use Peter Pan story definitely gives me a lot more to think about where Bae ended up. I’m just so relieved that it doesn’t seem like they’re going to drag out the mystery of Bae and Henry’s father until season 3 or beyond.
I’ve been meaning to post in this thread before because I’m so happy that Lil’ Red posted her idea from Tumblr here. I especially love the idea of Worcester being a part of it too now that I’ve seen their symbol. (I wonder if we should be looking at other places near Boston and their names/seals to see if they could possibly fit in with the theory that the borders are weakening on the other realms, and that’s who the big battle will be between not Rumple vs. Regina vs. the Charmings.)
Everyone has a lot of great ideas about what went wrong between Emma and Bae that it seems like now there’s just almost too much information about Emma’s past. Like I could see Bae being the married man that Emma was referring to, especially if they decide to name him Peter in our world as a nod to both Peter the Pumpkin Eater and him being a lost boy like in Peter Pan, but then I wonder if their eventual story might be too much like what happened between Mary Margaret and David Nolan. For me, I would have hoped that the writers’ learned their lesson about trying to write adultery in a true love story, assuming Bae and Emma are, because that really dampened the audience’s enthusiasm, imo, on Snowing in a lot of ways even if Snow and Charming weren’t technically adulterers and weren’t themselves at the time.
However, while there might draw parallels between Bae and being a Lost Boy like Peter Pan, I’m predicting that they have to go with Jack or John as what he’s going by here especially if he lives in Boston because of the “Jack and the Beanstalk” story. So maybe it’s Emma or Henry that is connected to the Phoenix/Phoenix Arizona and not Bae like I thought because I like the idea that both Bae and Emma were in care. Then, the friends of Emma’s foster family she was visiting had foster children of their own, which is why they were friends with Emma’s foster parents, and Bae and Emma crossed paths again and hooked up at that particular time.
If they crossed paths again, maybe Lil’Red’s theory is right and maybe Emma had a crush on Bae, but then Bae flips out on someone and turns out to be like his dad when his dad beat the crap out of Moe French which makes her realize that Bae is pretty unstable unlike the heroic type of person she thought he was.
Or maybe they just met each other for the first time but have an instant connection, and either he tells her to stand up for herself against an abuser and bails out when she gets in trouble like in hjbau’s theory. Or they made plans to runaway together and LisafromOH’s theory is correct that Bae abandons Emma after they get caught. In either scenario, it also seems possible because he wound up being like his dad and being a coward in the end instead of staying by Emma’s side.
Personally, I would prefer that the married man turns out to be someone entirely different than Bae because I think if he’s just a coward then that parallels his father, and I think can be forgiven eventually because of his youth and also because of whatever redemptive actions he does in Storybrooke. Or if he has extreme anger issues, it’s certainly possible that he’s worked on controlling his anger for the past 10 years. I’m not sure if they’ll go this route though because
Emma already seems to have a lot of anger issues and lashes out a lot, so it might be redundant to have another character like that. Although, I guess that could be something else they have in common.Technically, in a legal adoption, a social worker would have meet with Regina for questions and checked out her home. If she was trying to pass Gold off as a husband, he would have been present and….pretending to be an affectionate husband….OMGosh! This could possibly be the most hilariously-awkward scene that hasn’t been!
I wonder if he has some legal rights to Henry in this scenario, signed paperwork maybe? I’m so hooked on Rumple being his grandpa, I immediately go to this thought! I need help!Wow that would be crazy if they did pose as man and wife. I do think that Rumple could have found a loophole for Emma when she was trying to gain custody of Henry, but I immediately thought it had to do with the father not having signed away his legal rights. (Although someone looked it up at TWoP when this issue was being discussed, and I guess Arizona is one state where it doesn’t matter if the father never gave his consent not that the writers would have cared, I imagine, if they had gone there.) Now I wonder if the loophole had something to do with Rumple and Regina pretending to be married, and Rumple’s name actually being on Henry’s adoption papers as his adopted dad. At least it’s better than thinking about what the two of them might have got up to before Rumple got his memory back. 😯
@Lil’Red wrote:
In all honesty, the Red Cricket fan fictions I read were pretty sweet. If they ever get any screen time together, I think I could ship them..or might now! 😆
Yes, I don’t mind them in fan fiction at all. I’m not sure about on the show because Red has mentioned Billy a few times, so maybe that will be who she ends up with.
I don’t understand Swan Queen, at all. The main defense of it seems to be if you don’t like it, you’re being homophobic. I actually think it would be interesting to see a same sex fairytale couple, didn’t Kitsis/Horowitz say at some point they thought it was an important thing to show?? But Regina has been trying to destroy generations of Emma’s family and is now going after Emma… 🙄 Forget it! That HAS to be true-dysfunctional-love
I don’t get Swan Queen either. SwanQueen doesn’t bother me that it’s a slash pairing. It just bothers me that Regina has been trying to destroy Emma and her family, and Emma is just suppose to get over it and be with Regina. 🙄
Yay!!! I am so happy right now. 😀
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
There’s also the broken relationship between Rumpel and his son, though that may not come into play until later on in the season.
Also, here is the pictures of the premiere script!
True. Rumpel and Bae’s relationship will probably be explored further during the second half of the season. It’ll probably serve as the season’s climax.
I think you’re both right unfortunately, but I hope they throw us some kind of bone about what happened to Bae early in the season.
Possibly another spoiler about the cast from the first season from the pictures of the premiere ,Also, I'm not sure if it's official, but apparently Eion Bailey and Raphael Sbarge might just be recurring still, which is weird because I thought they would get promoted like Megan and Emilie especially Eion, if they go the love interest route between August and Emma.
I guess I'm not too surprised by Raphael Sbarge not a regular because I think he was used even less than Ruby/Red was, plus, now that everyone knows Henry was right about the Curse, it might be hard to incorporate him using the six core characters: Emma, Henry, Snow, David, Regina, and Rumple. (Actually, at this point I would say that Belle will probably be a character next season too, but for now I'll leave it at six.)
However, I am sort of surprised that Eion Bailey wasn't promoted though well if this information is accurate, which perhaps it's not, but if it is accurate and he isn't, I have to shamefully admit that I'm happy he's still recurring. While I thought I would hate August turning out to be Pinocchio and not Bae like I was hoping, I actually liked it better than I thought it would. However, I still don't like the character that much. I don't hate him, but he's not one of my favorites either. He's just sort of there for me. Although I do admit that I hate the idea of Emma/August happening at all because of my pupaphobia. Oh I guess I still don't like him for what he did to Rumplestiltskin either. Not that the tables didn't need to be turned on Rumple finally, but I don't want August's life to go too easy next season because I think him using the dagger selfishly instead of taking it from Rumple and destroying it is going to be a big mistake later on not for August unfortunately but probably for Emma and her family if Regina ever finds out about the dagger, which she will eventually.
