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@dena81 wrote:
I doubt HER is Tamara though. I still think she might be Tiana but the fact she might be the dark fairy could be very interesting. I had thought the wand Rumple had taken was from the Fairy he destroyed with Cinderella? Unless he didn’t really destroy her and she became Tamara though I’d assume they’d keep the same actress? Very interesting idea. She clearly is not a regular person and it would be interesting if the whole thing turns out to be fake (as a Swanthief fan I want that XD) Though I could also see him doing it as a symbol to move on as he thinks he can never see her again especially if she’s in SB with Rumple at the time. I’m not entirely certain though it would sit well with me if Neal just was over her….I doubt that he gulped far too many times and winced when she said she loved him. There was still pain there and you don’t just keep a keepsake of someone you’re over, especially on the window that is the first thing you see when you step into your apartment…
Never fear of course Neal still loves Emma, 😉 . This is from the most recent K&H podcast,
Podcaster: Neal obviously still loves Emma.
Eddy: I think that when Emma in the bar scene says she made a deal, he knows what happens when people make deals with his father. And he does, of course, love her. He gave her up because August said she had to fulfill her destiny rather than give…
[adrotate group="5"]@tombo671 wrote:
I hope it’s not Cora. She’s an amazing villain and I would personally like her to stick around until the end of the season at least.
Yes, I know that there’s the threat of Greg hanging around and if they killed off Cora before the season finale, they could have him step in and be a threat. However, I don’t really think they’ve built up Greg to do that. I mean they’ve given Cora practically the whole season to build her up, and while I love Barbara Hershey in the role, I still think Cora isn’t as good of a villain yet as Regina was last year to me. She definitely comes across as worse, but I actually think Regina’s actions were worse than Cora’s actions this year have been. Aside from her screwing with her daughter’s mind, I really haven’t seen Cora be that bad, imo. I mean she’s done standard run of the mill villain things, but they’ve hyped her all season to be this really big bad someone that even Regina and Rumple are scared of, and she hasn’t quite lived up to that hype yet, imo.
I guess it’s possible that if they do kill her off in “The Miller’s Daughter” she will have lived up to that hype, but I’d rather they kill her/banish her at the end of the season since they’ve devoted so much time to her already even if it is more predictable to do that ways.
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
This thread, the Tallahassee Neal lovefest thread, and knowing there were other SwanFire fans to talk to is what made me want to start posting here!
One other place where I talk with other fans is all about Hook and Emma and the other one is obsessed with Rumbelle (which is their prerogative of course) but I have a soft spot for Neal and Emma and have since their story was told in Tallahassee. I just love them together and totally agree that they are probably endgame, but of course their journey back to each other isn’t going to be easy. Why would these guys make anything easy for us?! They’re going to drive us all totally bonkers, LOL 😆 Welcome aboard! 😀
I agree that it’s not going to be easy for SwanFire, but that actually gives me a lot of hope because if they had Emma forgive him too easily, I would be worried that they were trying to achieve closure. Since they’re throwing all these obstacles at Neal and Emma though, it makes me more confident that SwanFire will be endgame.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
Seductive suggests to me that Cora may have always been a manipulative person using whatever she could to get what she wanted. Today it’s magic…back then it was flirtation, seduction, etc.
I’m inclined to agree. I think that unlike episodes like “A Desperate Soul” and “The Stable Boy” where we find out who are “villain” was before they went Dark Side, we’re going to learn that Cora has always been power hungry and manipulative.
It would be nice for a change to see a “villain” who has always had a dark side or bit of one. It doesn’t have to mean that person was completely evil to fit with the show’s theme about how people aren’t born evil, but I don’t think it has to mean that everyone was completely innocent like Rumple and Regina were shown to be either before they turned to the Dark Side.
Also, I don’t actually mind unlike some Rumbelle fans if Rumple and Cora did have a relationship beyond just flirting, but just no Regina as his real child.
Thanks for the new information.
Mmm, so the next few episodes are about Snow, Cora, Greg(?), August, Neal (probably), and then Regina. I don’t know if we’ll get another Emma-centric this season. Maybe, but I’m guessing that the last two episodes will be like the last two episodes last year, so they won’t be centered around just one person.
@Ser_Dragon wrote:
*Read the last line. Read it again. Freak out*
Please writers, please please please If it must be done OK, I can stand the Cora/Rumpel (see what I’ve done here?) But please for the love of all that this holly, please please No Regina= Rumpel daughter. Don’t, please seriously don’t.
Please it’s going too far. Really too far.
Too far for me at last.
If Regina is Rumple’s daughter, I’m going to have a fit.
This. While I don’t mind everyone being connected to each other already like they are, it does seem overkill imo to make Regina not only Snow’s step mother and adopted mother to Henry but also biological daughter of Rumple and half sister to Nealfire. It’s enough that they’re already connected through Henry without going overboard, and this is coming from someone who really wanted Neal to be Baelfire.
Mostly though, I don’t like the idea because of the relationship that Rumple and Regina have. It would be one thing if they were just frenemies with no sexual undertones at all, and Rumple had to deal with the fact that while trying to find one biological child, he ended up destroying another especially if it came out that maybe Nealfire isn’t really Rumple’s biological child. While I think in normal circumstances, it would be interesting to have a story line along those lines, for OUaT, I think it would be crossing a line since I don’t want to think about how disturbing it is that Rumple and Regina have this sexual chemistry between them, and we find out that they’re really father and daughter. I know the original fairy tales are dark and that they’ve had dark issues/scenes on the show before, but I don’t really want quasi-incest on this show at all.
@Phee wrote:
If we assume that Tamara is someone from a magical land, which is reasonable to assume, considering there are pics of her in SB and they don’t like non-magical peeps in town, I’d also assume that Neal doesn’t know her true identity, because he wouldn’t want to be with anyone magical, because that’s what he’s been running from his whole life.
If so, that could clash with the Peter Pan and Tinkerbell theories for them both…unless she was able to cast a spell on him so he didn’t recognise her…and if she was sent by Blue to find him, surely she has some reserves of fairy dust hidden away, the way Regina had her magical trinkets…which could make a forgetting spell possible. Ooo, maybe that’s why she bumps into him and spills her drink on him, because she had to get fairy dust on him somehow?
Anyway, basically, what I’m getting at, is if she’s revealed to be someone magical, and Neal didn’t previously know, I’m guessing the engagement won’t last much longer.
I guess it’s wishful thinking, but I’m hoping he knows who she really is and that their “engagement” is just some kind of plan to fool everyone else.
Or if she’s Tinkerbell, I wonder if she could be blackmailing or really good at manipulating Nealfire somehow to do what she wants which includes him taking her to Storybrooke using the cover story that she’s his fiancee. I wouldn’t say that she’s evil in that kind of scenario like , but I don’t think she’d be wholly good either which would remind me a lot of Tinkerbell from Disney’s “Peter Pan”. I don’t think she’d necessarily have any romantic feelings for Nealfire like that Tinkerbell although she might, she’d just be using him to further her own agenda whatever that is which would fit the character description that she was given.
Either way though, I agree that she’s definitely from FTL or some other magical world and not just an ordinary person because Neal wouldn’t risk taking someone ordinary to Storybrooke.
Yep…the repetitive stuff is really starting to get on my nerves but this does at least explain the option for season three in both SMG and MRJ’s character descriptions for Tamara and Neal instead of making them regulars. Neal is probably just in this to help Emma and Rumple move on.
Have hope. I think they left it open because they didn’t want to just come right out in the casting call that these two characters are going to be very important and be around a lot next season too, but agents looking for work for their clients, probably know that’s code for those characters being regulars next season or major recurring characters because they would have to know that their clients have to have the schedule to be able to do the role if chosen.
It might be a regular love triangle with Tamara really being an outsider, but I don’t think she’d stick around too long in Storybrooke if she really were an outsider. I also don’t think they’re going to write off Nealfire so soon as just someone to give closure to Rumple and Emma after being the reason that the Curse was created in the first place. Maybe SwanFire won’t be endgame, but I’m sure Nealfire will eventually be on good terms with the rest of Henry’s family including Emma since I think Henry will ultimately get his happy ending which at the very least includes the main members of his family getting along with each other even if his biological parents don’t get back together. There’s a lot more that Nealfire can do besides giving them closure, so I think MRJ will be a regular at least next season. I’m not sure about Tamara, but if she’s Tinkerbell, I think she could be a regular or a major recurring character next season like Dr. Whale has been this season getting her own episode about her back story season and having some kind of agenda of her own instead of just being Neal’s fiancee.
ETA:
The CaptainSwan shippers are going to have a field day. Cause, here comes Hook in his dashing swagger way.
Don’t worry. If Emma/Hook happens which I doubt especially after he tries to kill her son’s Grandfather again, I don’t see it being more than a fling. I don’t see him having a change of heart because I think we’ll see Regina trying to redeem herself for more than a few weeks next season, and she’ll hopefully will have learned that her redemption is more than just about getting Henry back next time she tries to stick to the path of good. Plus, Rumple will take it a lot more seriously once he realizes all the damage he’s caused to Bae’s life and the lives of those that Bae cares about, and having another villain next season redeeming their selves would be overkill, imo.
Also, remember the big fuss at the beginning of the season about how Emma was going to have all these suitors, and basically she’s really had none, and it looks like it’s going to be slim picking for the rest of the season for her since there’s not really much time now to devote to her love life when all these other promises that they made for this season need to be dealt with unless we get some kind of filler episode before the finale where instead of being about what’s going on with the Cora situation, it’s suddenly about Emma’s love life. It’s possible they do that, but I think it’d make a lot of fans angry since it would kill the momentum of the battle against Cora with only 3 episodes left since the next four episodes are about Snow, Cora, Regina or Greg, August, and likely Neal unless defeating Cora has something to do with Emma’s romantic love for someone, which would probably make SwanQueen shippers happy, but that kind of ending with Emma kissing her true romantic love or vice versa will likely be saved for another season probably the finale season, I imagine.
So given all that, all that talk about Hook and Emma from the cast and writers seemed to be all hype like the suitor talk turned out to be all hype. I’m sure next season we will actually see Emma have some suitors or at least one suitor, but I think that suitor or suitors will be more acceptable in Henry’s eyes and her parent’s eyes than Hook would be. In fact, I think that her next serious suitor will likely be someone that’s a lot more suitable to her parents than they would consider Neal to be since even if he’s changed his lifestyle, because I’m sure Emma’s parents consider him to be a “bad boy” especially Prince Charming. Not that Emma would care, but imo, I think that Emma/Hook would be too similar in some ways to Emma/Neal, except Neal was also her first love and maybe true love, and they always have Henry tying them together because he was definitely a “bad boy” and could still be especially if he’s Peter Pan. While he’s not a “bad boy” like Hook is, he’s still enough of one that I’d rather the writers go the opposite way and have Emma temporarily find something with someone like Lancelot or a noble character like that since we’ve seen her with a “bad boy” character.
Plus, if the engagement between Tamara and Nealfire is real, I don’t want a love rectangle between Hook, Emma, Nealfire, and Tamara. This show has never been about love triangles like that, and I would hope that they never go that route since a lot of viewers were upset by the whole Snow/Charming/Kathryn triangle since it made Snow and Charming both look bad.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
So I had this thought the other day regarding our mysterious Tamara. What if she’s not Tinkerbell (I still think the Blue Fairy is a better candidate for that job)…what if she’s Tiger Lily?
Yes, I’m confused by who she is too because I think she’s either Tinkerbell or Tiger Lily now? Tamara sounds like it could fit both “T” names, but her bright coat when we first see her reminds me of Tiger Lily more than Tinkerbell.
However, since she is appearing next season, I think her being Tinkerbell is more likely because I do think she’ll help spark up jealous feelings in Emma even if there’s nothing romantic going on between Neal and Tamara. I know that Tiger Lily in most versions also had feelings for Peter, but I think for most viewers remember the triangle between Tinkerbell, Peter, and Wendy more than Tiger Lily having romantic feelings for Peter too.
Plus, I’m not sure who will have magic and how strong their powers will be for next season, so I’d like Tamara to be Tinkerbell because I have a feeling that Rumple might lose his powers at least temporarily next season, and Emma may still not know exactly how to use hers, so they need someone on their side with magic next season if Regina is still bad and we find out this season that there’s more to the Blue Fairy than what she appears.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Emma’s magic seems like it might be more pure than Rumple’s (child of true love vs. the Dark One), so it’s possible that her magic will work outside of SB. The issue is, of course, that she is very inexperienced. The first time we really saw her do magic it was almost spontaneous (repelling Cora) and the second time she (using the dream catcher) she had to be guided by Gold. So would she know what to do to save Gold? I think they are going to have to take him back to SB where he is immortal and can heal himself; Bae follows because of Emma and Henry and because he does seemed very concerned about Papa Rumple.
I just read a theory about how they capture Hook, and everyone goes back to SB on his ship. I don’t know if that’s what will happen, but it seems logical if they need to get back to Storybrooke in a hurry, which they obviously do, and why they had to write in Emma, Henry, and Gold all flying to NYC when many people pointed out that it probably would have been quicker overall just to drive there, and Rumple could have taken the Dagger with him. It seems like they needed a reason not to bring any of their cars to NYC since they wouldn’t be driving back. (I guess maybe viewers have to conveniently forget that Gold drove his Cadillac to Logan Airport, or maybe he’ll have to get a new car now.)
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Also finding it interesting that in a way the Seer may have manipulated Rumple into all this in order to get rid of her gift.
I believe so, BeastWhisperer. In fact, in some ways the Seer’s story reminded me of the movie Minority Report Agatha, the precog with the most power, could be seen as sort of a femme fatale since it’s her that causes Detective Anderton’s downfall in a way and leads to her being free of a system that was keeping her prisoner. However, unlike Agatha, who I don’t really think had any ulterior motives, I think that the Seer did last night. I definitely felt she was like another Zoso for Rumple. I wonder if he just has really bad luck or if he’s cursed for some reason since now two human like beings with supernatural powers have targeted him as the person to free them of the misery caused by their powers.
