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This is interesting that you brought this up because there’s a very revealing video interview with Lana Parrilla that someone linked to today at IMDb. http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/06/once-upon-time-2012-bell-media-upfronts.html
(I’m going to focus more on everyone else’s true love in another post because what I had written did seem way off topic from Regina.) Anyway, I guess this does in fact confirm that Daniel was her one true love. I figured that he was because it was suppose to justify Regina wanting revenge on young Snow forever. Although I felt really bad for Lana Parrilla because Daniel seemed like the only single male character that she had no chemistry with whatsoever.
So unfortunately, I do think that their scenes can come across as Regina being more about rebelling against her mother and only liking Daniel because of that or because he’s the only one that she’s able to confide in about her mother instead of the passion and chemistry that we saw with other true love couplings that have been confirmed on the show like Snow and Charming or Rumple and Belle. I don’t want to blame either actor because I think they did fine, it’s just they just didn’t seem to have any kind of chemistry at all. Plus, chemistry is totally subjective too as evidenced by how many ships are out there.
[adrotate group="5"]@Josephine wrote:
Didn’t Henry say in the first episode that nobody leaves or enters Storybrooke. This is like the number one commandment written in OUaT. At that point, he was the only one allowed to leave and come back because he was born outside the curse.
Yes, I think since Henry was born outside the Curse and because Emma and August escaped before it hit that they’re the only 3 that can come and go as they please. I also agree that it is the number one commandment of the town, and maybe Rumple or someone else will start to put the clues together on how Henry was able to be brought to Storybrooke if no one else from the town is allowed to leave and no else is allowed to enter unless they happen to be magical too. Although I guess it’s possible that non-magical people could enter, but for now I’ll trust Henry when he said no one ever comes to Storybrooke after August arrived.
But as far as we know Henry is only half-FTL-ite. So it goes to reason that in order for Henry to be allowed to come to Storybrooke in the first place then he’d have to be of pure FTL parentage, also. Of course, this is just speculation. His father could be the local garbage man where Emma lived, however, I don’t think so.
Well maybe it still works if he’s half FTL, but I agree that it’s probably more likely that he’s pure FTL. Maybe that’s why Bae and Emma were attracted to each other because they could sense the FTL-ness in the other or just fate or coincidence.
I do wonder if Storybrooke is like Hogwarts is to Muggles. They see only a crumbling pile of stones and are repelled from entering. They don’t know why they want leave, but wizards know that it’s the anti-muggle charms that are in place. Maybe Storybrooke repels everyone else in a similar way.
This is a good question. It reminds me when Emma saw August’s leg as being normal when he was turning back into a puppet. I wondered if a non-FTL person saw it, if he/she would see the same thing Emma did before she believed because that person wouldn’t be able to really believe that a normal person could turn into wood, or would that person actually see it. I’m guessing it’s probably that the person wouldn’t really see it just like how Storybrooke doesn’t have any outsiders coming to it at all.
@mia wrote:
But if the BF knew all along, she’d be a hell of an actress. Yes, we saw her lie at the war council (Pilot), but she acted all “not knowing” in The Finale! Doesn’t make sense if she remembered. She could still have gotten Henry in exactly the manner you discribed without knowing who he was and on orders of Gold.
Yes, while I don’t trust the Blue Fairy, I don’t know if it’s because of the actress, the writing, or some kind of combination of both, so that leaves me very confused on whether viewers are actually supposed to be suspicious of her. I really don’t think we are, and I think it’s just unfortunately one of the inconsistencies that the show has.
I could be wrong, and she’ll turn out to be the Big Bad. However, within the show from what we’ve seen of her, she’s always trying to help the “good” characters, and while her advice/plans usually have backfired spectacularly, they’ve never shown her being happy that something bad happened because of her advice or really any hint that she might have a hidden agenda, imo.
For me, only two hints stand out that maybe she knows something more than she does, and those are when she has a conversation with August before he tries to fool Rumple and when she said that she had preparations to make before the Curse hit in “The Return”, but those don’t necessarily mean anything. The former could easily be misdirection, so everyone thinks that there’s something up with the Blue Fairy and that she remembered, but August actually got his information from someone else. The latter could also be something else and not her making plans to remember her Enchanted Forest life too.
It does seem like the people that remembered were people who were very magical in the Enchanted Life, so based on that, she could certainly be someone who remembered their other life. However, the show really hasn’t gave any hints that she remembered, and since everyone has their memories back, I don’t think it would have as much impact now to get information that she remembered before everyone else did. I also agree that it did not seem like she remembered anything prior to the season finale because the way that the actress portrayed it was that she was remembering at the same time everyone else. So unfortunately, I just think that the Blue Fairy is just wrong a lot but not deliberately evil, and therefore couldn’t have some great plan of watching Emma all of her life and bringing Emma’s son to Storybrooke, writing the book of fairy tales, and then making sure it would end up with him, so that he would bring Emma back on her 28th birthday.
It could also be that Henry’s father has something to do with it. We still don’t know if he’s from our world or from FTL. Even though Emma said he didn’t know she was pregnant, mybe he DID know and somehow made it so that Henry was sent to SB. For whatever reason …
I think because Henry’s father will turn out to be Baelfire that it will turn out that the only reason Henry was able to be adopted by Regina was because both of his parents came from the Enchanted Forest. I don’t know what or who actually brought Henry there, but I’ll just guess that the Curse had something to do with it or the loophole in it, to ensure that Emma would be brought there to break the Curse on her 28th birthday. I think that Regina probably wanted a child of her own for awhile especially as we saw that already in “True North”, and that maybe Gold kept searching for a baby for her to adopt, but none of them worked out because those babies couldn’t come to Storybrooke. Or it could be that Baelfire will turn out to be some kind of mastermind that was the middleperson in Henry’s adoption so that he could get to Storybrooke. I think it’s more likely the former theory though that Henry was the only one that could be brought to Storybrooke and that the Curse was what brought him there.
@Oncescape wrote:
It’s a given that Henry’s so called legal adoption was surely based on fraudulent. paperwork. Can you imagine Regina putting the real answers to questions like “Where were you born?” “How old are you?” “Ever been married?” Haha, if she put the real answers, any adoption agency that gave a baby to someone who listed their birth place as “Enchanted Forest, Another World” can’t be reputable. 😆
Excellent point. While I definitely did not want to see a long, drawn-out custody fight where Emma would surely lose if the case was tried in Storybrooke, I don’t think his adoption was legal either. I think that it was obvious from “The Price of Gold” that Mr. Gold wasn’t exactly a reputable baby dealer, and while Henry’s “adoption” may have seemed on the up and up, I’m guessing that there would have been at least one loophole that Rumple could have exploited to help Emma had he decided not to let August try to help her first.
Maybe I’m wrong or we’ll never know for sure, but I think it has to do with why Henry was brought to Storybrooke and by whom was he brought to Storybrooke. I think that some person (Baelfire) or entity (the Blue Fairy, the Curse) wanted Henry in Storybrooke for a reason, and that he was only “adoptable” because of who his birth parents were.
@Rayvah wrote:
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
In general, I love Rumple because I think RC does the most amazing job bringing the character to life.
Yeah, I got to be straight wit you – Rumplestiltskin was the only reason I loved the show for awhile. Once they started getting more characters involved, and there was less Snow/Charming focus I thought it was better. Episode 15ish?
Also, I don’t usually crush on celebrities, but Ive been watching every Robert Carlyle work I can get my hands on – and I think his name might actually be “and Robert Carlyle” so they always credit him last to avoid questions (not reli). =P (this is related to the quote because I used to say RC,now I want to say ARC)
Yes, while I’ve loved episodes that haven’t been Rumple-centric, I don’t know if I would be as hooked if he weren’t involved in some of the episodes I haven’t liked like “The Price of Gold” or “Dreamy”.
Of course, he doesn’t make up for all the inconsistencies that the show unfortunately has, but Robert Carlyle is joy to watch in the world for me. It’s not just Robert Carlyle alone though that I love watching, but I love how when he’s paired in a scene with another actor, the other actor usually does his/her best work too.
@Schmacky wrote:
The way I felt about Regina’s speech I could never exactly pin point. But you nailed it here for me. To me, Regina’s speech about loving him was more about defense. Like “poor me! These people will say horrible things about me, but know that it’s not true and I love you!”
I don’t even think she has any regret for what she did… only regret that Henry got caught in the crossfire. I don’t think she has any remorse for what she did and how it would have affected Henry emotionally had Emma eaten it.
While I felt that scene in the hospital was slightly heartbreaking for her, it just left something to be desired. And I can understand why Henry just stared at her. He didn’t know what to make of that statement. I don’t know what to make of that statement.
She’s only sorry she lost. She’s like Rumpel.. she didn’t learn a *(please avoid obscenities)* thing.
Thanks. It seemed like everyone felt bad for her after the finale, but I agree for me the only reason she was regretful was because Henry got caught in the crossfire and everyone finally had proof of what an evil person she really was like he’s been saying all along. I’m sure the next time Henry gets hurt either on accident or directly from whatever she does against the Charmings, she’ll probably try to blame it on everyone else again, and say how sorry she is to him, but she’ll really loves him. And the 100th time it happens, she’ll blame everyone else again, but tell him that she really loves him no matter what those mean people say about her.
Yes, her and Rumple are certainly alike in that they never learn, but right now I find Rumple’s character to be more layered and am more sympathetic towards him usually except for the last episode when I couldn’t believe he’d still unleash magic after being reunited with Belle. I think it’s because he was tricked into becoming the Dark One, and I think after he became the Dark One, magic is an addiction to him that he’ll choose every time even over those that he loves most. It certainly doesn’t excuse his actions because in some ways he might be more frustrating at times than Regina since he does seem more capable of redemption and seems to have some humanity left in him compared to her, and yet he keeps making the wrong choices.
Of course, I don’t think he was a good father after he became the Dark One either, and while I cried in the matter in which Bae was separated from his father, maybe in some ways Bae was lucky because as much as he might be screwed up from that, I wonder how screwed up he would be if he had stayed with his father and not been able to cure his father from being the Dark One.
And I agree with those who say that Henry turning out to be a good kid doesn’t necessarily reflect Regina’s parenting skills. Although.. and I may be overanalyzing this a bit… Henry seems to be more involved with the book and the story than the people themselves. He wants to fix the happy endings because that’s how it should be more so than actually wanting to help these people. And I think that could be a byproduct of having Regina being his main role model in life. He doesn’t connect with these people on a personal level.. something Regina I think has issues with even with her own son.
I never thought of that before, but it does make sense since Henry was so isolated from making real relationships for so long. It must have been really weird when he realized that he was the only one that was aging and being able to notice all the other bizarre things going on. No wonder he became so obsessed with the book. I’m sure he’ll start connecting with people more now that he’s away from Regina and gets to know more about the people in the book as real people.
I finally realized that this wasn’t about Regina’s Daniel, lol. I kept wondering if I overlooked his name being on his little grave marker, and thought that the J. might have some kind of significance like not knowing what Charming’s real name is or what Gold’s first name is. 😀
In the spirit of Homer J. Simpson though, I shall guess that J. stands for Jay.
@TheLadyBelle wrote:
I know there are a lot of people who hate Henry for not recognising Regina’s love for him. They are annoyed that he goes on hating her and calling an evil queen. Apparently they missed that she’s not an ideal mother by any means. She acts out of spite time and time again and is doing so out of her own interests, not Henry’s.
Her love of him seems like ownership. It all fits the symptoms that Maleficent told her about. She’s really trying to fill her life with things that might make her happy, but it doesn’t.Yes, I hate that too. While I have to admit that during the first few episodes, I did find Henry annoying; although, I think it was just the writing for him because now he’s really grown and brings on a lot of whimsicalness that I think this show definitely needs more of at times, I never once disliked him because I thought he was wrong in his feelings for Regina.
They always talk about how she raised him since birth using that speech she gave Emma about how she changed his diapers and etc., but I always wonder how they miss all the other things that she did out of spite. She destroyed his favorite place to go, manipulated his birth mom into saying his ideas were crazy in front of him, barely pays attention to where he’s at most of the time despite knowing that he does get into dangerous situations, and of course constantly tries to hurt the people that he loves/cares about the most.
I also didn’t feel as much sympathy for her as it seemed a lot of viewers did after her speech to Henry in “A Land Without Magic” about how she really does love him, because I think once again it was more about her needs rather than Henry. Now if she at least had a little awareness that her it was her actions all along that turned him against her and not other people trying to turn him against her, I would have felt more sympathetic.
@LisaFromOH wrote:
When August asked Gold, “Do I look like him at all?” it sounded like a rhetorical question to me. I thought he meant it like, “Clearly I look nothing like him.”
About your other question, August was pretty desperate when he tried to trick Gold, so I think he would’ve tried anything, even something he knew was a very long shot.
That’s my interpretation, anyway. 🙂Yes, I don’t think August was expecting an answer from Rumple when he if he looked like Rumple’s son. Although I just wanted to comment on that because it still bugs me since I think he looks a lot more like the child actor that played Bae than the one that was Pinocchio. I know he doesn’t have the same eye color, but he doesn’t look like he used to be a ginger at all. The casting wouldn’t have bothered me at all except for that one particular line. I’m going to be even more upset if and when they cast adult Bae if Eion Bailey looks like Dylan Schmid more than the other actor that is cast.
I also agree that August was pretty desperate, so I don’t think he was thinking clearly at all. I theorize that he did meet up with real Baelfire or someone hired by the real Baelfire, in case he wants to keep it a secret that he’s Rumple’s son whenever he might come to Storybrooke, because of Bae discovering somehow that the town of Storybrooke, Maine is actually everyone from the Enchanted Forest. He correctly assumes that his dad probably had something to do with it, but he’s not entirely sure so he just waits and tries to come up with some kind of counter-plan to get his dad back to the Enchanted Forest because he probably never wants to see his father again and definitely does not want magic in this world.
I think Henry’s book was part of his plan, since someone must have told August about it. Although, I still haven’t figured out how Bae would have known about everyone else’s story since they all came after him, but it may explain why Rumple’s story isn’t in the book, if it isn’t since the show hasn’t cleared that up yet, since he may not want anyone to know about Rumple’s son perhaps so he can use that to his advantage later.
The other part of his plan was tracking down August and then revealing the information about the dagger and about how to fool Rumple into thinking August was Bae. I think Bae meant for August to destroy the dagger or at least get the dagger and bring it to Bae so that Bae could help destroy his father before something bad happened like, um, his dad bringing magic to this world, but August was desperate and ruined Bae’s whole plan.
Of course, this theory is based on the assumption that Bae is Henry’s father, and somehow after being with Emma, he got flashes of his old life and got curious and found out about Storybrooke. Also, this theory will probably turn out to be completely wrong too. 😀
ETA: I forgot it’s hard to work in Henry into this theory because I would guess that if Bae was behind the book getting to Henry and/or met up with August and knew all about Storybrooke that he would surely know about his son too. (Again that is assuming that he is Henry’s dad.) So I don’t know why he would let his son be raised by the Evil Queen.
