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@hjbau wrote:
I don’t think that Regina is a good mother. Just because she won’t physically harm him is not enough for me. I think that she thinks she loves him, but i am not sure that she really does. She is perfectly willing to hurt him to get what she wants and she at the very least is pretty neglectful having no clue where he is most of the time. She is the Evil Queen though and a murdering crazy sociopath so it works.
And honestly i don’t think she gets points because he turned out alright. Henry can still choose to turn out alright even if his upbringing was not good.
You basically wrote what I was going to, but I just wanted to write that I agree. I think it’s definitely possible for a person to turn out good even if his/her childhood was awful or in Henry’s case, his parent wasn’t a good parent. Likewise, a person can turn out pure evil even when he/she comes from the best home and has great parents. Sometimes it’s just a roll of the dice. I think in Henry’s case, luckily nature was more of a factor than nurture, so in that way I think he’s very much like Emma since she had an awful childhood but still turned out to be a good person.
I also don’t agree that Regina is a good mother. Just because she took care of his physical needs doesn’t mean anything to me since she obviously wasn’t taking care of his emotional needs, and I think that was even before he found the book because of the very thick file that Archie had on him. He’s only a 10 year old boy, so I don’t think things were going right between them for quite awhile to amass such a thick folder.
I think Regina really wants to love Henry, and I guess she does in her own way, but it’s not truly love because I don’t believe she can actually love anyone once she made the choice of killing her own father. This is why until the finale I was very fearful about what she might do one day to Henry if he continued to live with her. After the finale, it did seem like the writers were making sure to show that Regina would never actually physically hurt Henry, but this is a woman that killed her own father and was willing to use her true love’s ring, the last reminder of him, to get rid of her son’s biological mother, so I’m still fearful that if Regina were desperate enough to get something, she’d go through with hurting Henry physically. So I am a very happy that the writers didn’t have Emma going through a long drawn out custody case over Henry which she probably would have lost anyways, and just had everyone get their memories back to solve the problem of Henry having to live with Regina. Also, in Henry’s case, even if Regina would never hurt him physically, she certainly has no problems hurting him psychologically, and I’m sure won’t have any problems continuing to hurt people that he cares for. So that’s another excellent reason that he shouldn’t have to stay with her.
[adrotate group="5"]@Josephine wrote:
I think that Baelfire will not be the innocent nice kid we all remember. He’s had too much happen in his life…his mother abandoned him (we suspect), his father because the Dark One and brutally killed and when a solution came he abandoned him, too. Kid’s got problems. But I don’t think he’s going to be evil. At least I hope not.
I’m hoping that he’s going to end up being Emma’s true love since Henry is a product of their brief time together before. I do worry though that he could turn out to be the Big Bad or one of the Big Bads later on since I’m sure he has tons of issues and he might want to take revenge on his father.
If he is Henry’s father and was involved with Emma, I could see them being attracted to one another and kindred spirits, if only for a short time. Both have probably have abandonment issues, probably feel unlovable, among a host of many other things. We don’t know how old Bae would be, but Emma was a teenager and never told him about the baby, then got arrested, so I can see her really being messed up. She sees his being an a**hole because of her past experiences. He’s probably really messed up, too. Plus, with both being from FTL I can see them having an unexplained attraction to each other.
That’s what I think happened too. I’m just sort of worried about the 14 year old age difference though, and hope that it’s not quite that large whenever we finally learn more about where Baelfire is and what happened to him. Right now since Emma will be 29 in the second season, so it doesn’t seem too bad if Baelfire is 43, but if they do flashbacks of how their backstory, having a 31 year old man getting together with a barely legal 17-18 year old seems sort of skeevy. In the Enchanted Forest, I don’t think it would have mattered, but present day on Earth, I’m worried about how they’ll be able to write it and have people be invested in their relationship, assuming that Bae is Emma’s true love, and not have people dismissing it right away because of what ages they might have been when they first met.
I do think, though, that he’s working with August. Until this theory is totally debunked, I’m sticking by it. I don’t think August got all of his information from the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior. I just get the feeling that Bae’s and August’s paths have crossed. Don’t know if it was in Phuket or somewhere else along his travels, but something has happened between them, I can feel it in my bones. Although my bones may be lying to me. 😆
I’m sticking with this theory until it’s debunked too. At first, I thought he did get the information from the Blue Fairy, but I think the “a little fairy told me” was total misdirection as was his meeting with the Blue Fairy where it seemed like they were in on the plan together. As suspicious as she still seems, I don’t believe that she retained her memories since there’s been no real hint at all that she had two sets of memories like Rumple, Regina, and Jefferson, and since everyone now has their memories, I think if she were like those 3 characters that remembered before everyone else did, there would have been something concrete before to let the viewers know. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have an agenda, but I don’t believe that she remembered before the season finale.
So if it wasn’t her that told August all about the dagger and what to call Rumple to make him think he was Baelfire, I think the only other person it could have been was Baelfire. I think Bae probably did some research after his relationship with Emma and found out about August that way and then tracked him down.
One thing i am interested in seeing is how Henry would react to all this, assuming Bae is his daddy. It would be interesting to see the Henry/Bae/Rumple dynamic and how Emma tries to keep him away from them (she rightfully doesn’t trust Gold and there has to be some anamostiy between her and Bae given the way she talked about him and the fact that she never told him her eggo was preggo).
Yes, I wonder if he’ll be upset that Emma lied. He seems too mature for that especially if she explains that she was trying to protect him from finding out what a jerk his dad was, at least from her point of view. However, from most other entertainment sources where one parent has lied to his/her child about the other parent being dead, it always seems to backfire on the lying parent, and the child resents that parent for it, at least initially.
@Faux Pax wrote:
But for some characters at least there has to be some issues. Take Grace for example. One one hand she has a loving father who left her at the neighbors and didn’t come back (not that that was his choice but i doubt she knows that for sure and even after that issue is addressed it will probably still hurt). On the other hand she has two dotting parents who have loved and cared for her for almost three decades, but it was all fake.
I don’t see her throwing either family away for the other; she was probably the person (outside of Regina and her pets) closest to having a happy life in storybrook. And what will happen to Jefferson emotionally when Grace can’t give it up compleatly and go back to the way things were?
Would he be content with just having her on the weekends and every other wendsday? Or on the flip side of that, how much would it dig at him to finally have her back in his life but still have to go back to the other parents house for the weekends and holidays?
The double memories may not drive people crazy, but they are bound to cause issues for at least some people.
Besides the Grace/Jefferson dynamic, what about the charming family? I mean last thing they remember of their true lives they were sending their newborn daughter away but because of the curse she is about the same age as they are, has a kid of her own, and was their friend. As heartwarming as it all will be there has to be some awkwardness there somewhere.
Yes, it’s going to be very awkward for a lot of people now that they have both sets of memories. Perhaps this will help integrate Jiminy/Archie more since he wasn’t used that much in the first season.
For instance, I’m sure Kathryn will blame Regina for everything that happened, but everytime she sees the Charming family, I imagine it would be awful knowing that she was actually the other woman, even though she slapped Mary Margaret and shamed her in front of the whole town. Or everytime one of the Charmings runs into Dr. Whale or Frederick, it’s going to be weird for awhile.
I definitely agree about Grace too especially as one of her last memories of the Enchanted Forest was of her father abandoning her. She doesn’t know the whole story, but I’m sure it’s going to be very tough just to go live with him and abandon the family that she has now.
I wonder if season 2 will explore it being better for some than others. Like poor Dr. Whale already seemed like remembering his other life is already causing him to flip out, but maybe some characters could use their new memories to create a better life for themselves now. Like Grumpy and Nova could try to start over in this world since she’s not a nun and he’s not really the town drunk, and she may not have any magical powers anymore especially if they can’t go back to the Enchanted Forest or if they could choose to stay here on Earth.
@Faux Pax wrote:
Besides all the evidence that has already been floating around, there is just too much potential there from a story telling point of view.
I agree from a story-telling standpoint I don’t think it has as much impact if Emma’s baby daddy turns out to be some stranger that doesn’t have any connection to Storybrooke and the Enchanted Forest since we’ve only been in the “real world” very, very briefly in the pilot and in “The Stranger”.
I think the reunion between Bae and Rumple is going to be especially bad given the events of 1×22. Think about it: Bae ran away from FTL in an attempt to get away from magic, and what did Rumple do to find him? Bring magic here. Yeah. That’s going to cause some tension.
Definitely. I think the real reunion between Bae and Rumple will be totally different than the fake reunion that August and Rumple had, and that Bae might not even be able to totally forgive Rumple until very close to the end of the show or perhaps even the last show especially once he finds out that Rumple didn’t give up his powers but used his powers to reunite with Bae which is exactly what Bae wouldn’t have wanted him to do.
And honestly, I don’t like the idea of him being a firefighter. The connection between the occupation and the name sounds a little flimsy and Emma could have been making it all up just to avoid telling Henry the truth (whatever it is). I see him as going into the Military as a form of rebellion against his dad.
Yes, I think she just made it up because the fire that Rumple started that she saved Regina from was still fresh in her mind. Plus, she had the added bonus of being able to tell Henry that his dad was a hero, but that he died that way Henry wouldn’t ask any more questions about him. It also acts as a hint to the identity of Henry’s daddy being Baelfire.
It would be ironic if he went into the military as a way to rebel against his dad since the reason his dad became the Dark One in the first place was to save Bae from having to fight in the war. Plus, the military or being involved in a life of crime seem like the two best choices, imo, for someone who came here when they were 14 and probably has limited knowledge about this world. (Although I guess it’s possible that maybe going through the wormhole gave Bae special knowledge and/or power.)
I’m glad I’m not the only one that is obsessed about where Bae is, who Henry’s dad is, and if Bae and Henry’s dad are one in the same. I really hope that they answer both questions by the end of season 2.
It does seem like every male character has been theorized as Bae, Henry’s dad, or both right now, and if they made us wait another season or even longer, I could only imagine how crazy the theories would get especially as they introduce new male characters. For instance, right now I’ve even seen people theorizing that Ryan, the cheating husband from the pilot, was Henry’s dad! 😯
Also, I agree it does seem like a theory that everyone has guessed upon. I’ve even seen people who don’t like the idea grudgingly admit that there’s a lot of evidence for it. I also hope that since a lot of people have guessed it, the writers don’t go back and change it. Of course, maybe it’s just an Internet thing where the casual fan who just follows the show on television and doesn’t think too much about it would probably be surprised by the revelation, and while it seems like everyone has figured it out, it would just be a really small portion of viewers which I think happens in any fandom.
@Princess Emma wrote:
Yes I hope they come back Hennry Needs Friends MOre or Less HIS AGE! maybe a GIrLfriend :}
I really hope they show up again too; although, it might be weird for Gretel to like Henry if she thinks about how much older she really is than him. (However, it seems fitting with this show since Rumple is hundred years older than Belle, and if Bae is Henry’s father, he was born many, many years ago than Emma.) She probably won’t think about it that much at least in that sense, but I hope her, her brother, and her dad all help in the fight against Regina, whenever the battle comes, because she screwed them over almost as much as she screwed the Charmings over, and she can’t excuse her behavior due to Hansel, Gretel, or their father being involved in her one true love’s death.
Another theory I had was that if Henry tries to find his father that perhaps Hansel and Gretel will help him since he helped them find their father. I know that right now he thinks his father is dead, but I could see Regina trying to interfere with his relationship with Emma by telling him that Emma lied about his father not being alive. Or maybe Henry tries to find Baelfire or whatever secret identity Baelfire might have now like Jack and the Beanstalk or Wizard of Oz, and Hansel and Gretel end up helping Henry on that journey only to discover later on that the person Henry was looking for was actually his dad all along.
@Schmacky wrote:
So Jefferson is the child she gave up? I like that. It makes sense.
I like it too. Maybe it’s because I have seen a lot of theories about Bae being Jefferson, which I don’t think is true, but I do think that there are parallels between Rumple, Baelfire, and Jefferson which might be a hint to Jefferson being the first born that Rumple wanted from Cora perhaps as a pseudo-Bae.
I do admit though that when it was first suggested after “Hat Trick”, I was unsure of the idea because Jefferson and Regina had a lot of chemistry that didn’t seem too sibling like, but the more that I think about it, that could just be part of their perverse family dynamics.
@mickey wrote:
If the actor, as you put it here, is not deep with emotions, then who is.
I’ve always thought that when Rumple told Bae his mother was dead he was lying. He just didn’t want the boy to investigate any further or start looking for her, and by saying so he stopped this conversation. That’s how I interpreted the scene, but I guess we have to wait for writers’ explanation. I don’t think anything so far suggests he killed her though.Yes, I guess this could belong in this thread or the thread about Rumplestiltskin’s wife, but I don’t think he killed her either because pre-Dark Curse Rumple would not have done something like that.
My theory is that they probably liked each other but didn’t love each other and they may not have many prospects other than each other. So they got married hoping for the best, and everything seems fine for awhile until Rumple is drafted, and everything falls apart for them. Then, I think she just ran away, committed suicide, or a combination of the two. Maybe she had too much pride to be married to Rumple after he was labeled a coward. Or maybe something happened to her while he was away that made her ashamed and she ran away because of that. Or maybe she felt trapped being married to Rumple when she realized that their marriage wasn’t what she thought it was going to be like especially if having a baby made her feel even more trapped.
I don’t think Rumple wanted Bae to know that Bae’s mom ran away and/or committed suicide which is why he didn’t come right out and say what happened especially if he feels guilty that the reason she ran away and/or died was because of him in some way.
@hjbau wrote:
I also like the idea that it was just fate and destiny that Henry was to be brought back and was not part of some sort of evil plan. And if Henry was steered to Storybrooke i want it to be by someone other then Rumpel. It may have been that only fairytale characters can enter town so Henry could have been the only child that could be brought there.
Yes, I hope that it turns out that Henry was the only child that could be brought to Storybrooke because both of his parents are from the Enchanted Forest, and not because Bae or the Blue Fairy manipulated it. I don’t think either could be redeemed, imo, if they were behind Henry coming to Storybrooke because they would have no idea that Regina wouldn’t harm Henry like she did to her own father. Of course, it seems like the end of “A Land Without Magic” that the writers have made it clear that she would never hurt her son Henry at least physically, but Bae or the Blue Fairy couldn’t have been sure of that at that time if they did get Henry to Regina.
Maybe this is how the identity of Henry’s father will be revealed when someone discovers that Henry had to have been born from two people from the Enchanted Forest in order to be brought to Storybrooke.
I agree with darcyfarrow that it was probably just the ultimate insult being used against Rumple to show what kind of people were in charge at that time, and to somewhat justify why Rumple would strike them all down like he did at the end of “Desperate Souls”.
The only way I think it could be of importance is if the powers that be felt bad or were pressured because of the criticism they’ve gotten about their portrayal of the foster care system and adoptive parents, and have the viewers find out that Rumple knows Bae isn’t his biological son, but not care anyway. Perhaps he already knew that it wasn’t possible he wasn’t Bae’s real father like in hjbau’s theory, but since he raised Bae from birth, he felt like he was Bae’s real father.
I’m guessing they won’t care that much though and just have it be fact that Baelfire is Rumple’s biological son.
