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@hjbau wrote:
I still don’t believe that the big curse was broken. I think that the true love’s kiss between Emma and Henry just brought light to the darkness so everyone got their memories back. We know they are still stuck in the real world which means to me that the big curse, the dark curse, was not actually broken.
Yes, I sort of touched upon this in another thread, but I’m not really sure what exactly the Curse did or how to actually break it completely. I’m thinking that in order to keep everyone in Storybrooke instead of having them be able to leave, which is what I would do if I lived there and there was going to be a war between Rumplestiltskin, the Evil Queen, and the Charmings, that part of the Curse is still going to be active.
Of course, Rumple was packing like he would be able to leave before the Curse was broken, but I’m still guessing they’ll all be stuck still because it’s just too unwieldy and expensive for the main characters not to be in Storybrooke.
There must be another part of breaking the Curse though which is why they didn’t all return to the Enchanted Forest. I don’t know if it has to do with true love or not or if maybe it has to do with finding Bae first before everyone can go back since I think the potion being dropped into the well was to be able to find him.
[adrotate group="5"]@hjbau wrote:
I think that Henry’s father did do something to Emma though i think it may be a misunderstanding. I don’t think that Emma is lying about the fact that she believes the father did something to her. She is way too angry for it to make sense that it is a lie. I have always thought that whatever happened, whatever the father did, caused Emma to go to jail, but we have no proof of that. Not that she is completely innocent in whatever caused her to go to jail. It does seem that she is complicate in some way and not that she just didn’t do it, but who knows. I just always have the two events wrapped up together because we know that Emma got pregnant went to jail and then found out she was pregnant so those events were close together in timeline. A lot of times it seems like the writers are flying by the seat of their pants so who knows how much of that they actually have planned out.
Yes, I agree with you and Gaultheria that perhaps Bae really wasn’t a bad guy if he’s Henry’s father but that it was some kind of misunderstanding that lead Emma to thinking that.
Unfortunately I agree that sometimes it feels like the writers are just flying by the seat of their pants. I think they do have some things planned out, but other things I don’t think they realize that some fans will wonder how _____ was possible and pick at all the plot holes and inconsistencies.
Like at Television Without Pity, I know a lot of people have been picking apart the Curse recently and how we’ll probably never know how it’s possible that the Curse is just smart enough to do so many things if residents can’t ever leave Storybrooke like replenshing most of their food presumably, updating their technology slowly but updating it nonetheless, or making up fake documents like Kathryn’s LSAT tests. I don’t really try to think about it too much, but I could see how things like that could drive people crazy. I’ll be okay as long as they just answer all the big questions as they go along, which so far they have.
I agree that he let himself be tricked into going to prison. I’m not sure why yet, but I’m sure he had some reason. At first, I thought it was because being in prison unknowingly to Charming and Snow allowed Rumple to retain his memories, but since the producers have confirmed that he didn’t remember to Emma arrived, I suppose not. Although maybe being in prison did help tamper the curse a bit though, so he could put in the memory switch of Emma’s name and know that it would work later on.
Also while I do think he had everything carefully planned out, I’m not sure about Rumple being able to see the future or him having to do with Henry’s book at all. I think he’s just very good at predicting people’s future actions based on their personalities and previous actions. So he can almost always count on Regina acting impulsively and for her own interest, while on the flip side, he can usually count on the Charming family to act heroically, so he can use that into manipulating what is best for him like having them all be pawns in the curse and finding Bae without them ever realizing that he’s doing so.
As for the book, during the first few episodes I thought he was the author, but I don’t believe that he is now since August knew about it somehow and what kind of paper and typewriter to bring to add new information to the book. I think the only way he could have known about that type of information is from the author of the book. Then, I thought it was either the Blue Fairy or Bae helping August, but after the season finale, I don’t think the Blue Fairy remembered anything about her past life. So I think only Rumple’s son is the one who helped write the book and planted it in Storybrooke. He may have taken out the chapter about his father, if that’s what happened since Henry didn’t know who Rumple was earlier on in the season, not to help his father, but to make sure that there’s very few people who know that Rumple had a son that way he can use that to his advantage later on.
Yes, I agree about Phoenix. I think it was picked as a clue to Baelfire being Henry’s father. I think his name could definitely be associated with a phoenix, and like a phoenix, I think he had a rebirth on Earth, so he’ll have a different name here than Baelfire and probably an entirely different personality which is why if he is Henry’s father, Emma didn’t have any kind words about him. I’m just hoping he won’t be entirely evil, but it’s possible that the show could go that angle.
As for Boston, I guess they probably just picked it because it’s the closest metropolis to Storybrooke, Maine, and most viewers would not be familiar with a large city in Maine.
I think the creators are going to find themselves bombarded by minutiae questions about FTL to the level like they’ve never seen before. Lost had such a simpler setting being placed in essentially the real world.
Yes, I’m worried about what happens to Storybrooke next season. I think it’s too unwieldy to have all the residents be able to leave now although it seems like they might be able to once the curse was broken, but then I wonder how dramatically Storybrooke will change now that everyone remembers who they are.
Will the old leaders try to have kingdoms like in the Enchanted Forest and Storybrooke will slowly start to resemble the Enchanted Forest with castles springing up everywhere? Or will things just stay the status quo because it’s much easier and cheaper for the show than having to give the whole town a makeover?
ETA: I meant to add Boston was not in Maine. I think most viewers would know Boston as opposed to Bangor or Portland.
It makes total sense for Baelfire to be Henry’s father, the likeness of the characters is obvious to those who have thought about this theory. Baelfire is very strong willed, opinionated and wants his father to be ‘good’. Henry is a few years younger than Baelfire, but still has these characteristics. Even the hair swings a nod in that direction.
Yes, even though Henry’s bravery comes from his mom’s side, I do see a lot of parallels between him and Baelfire, and I don’t think that it’s unintentional. In fact, I found a collection of essays about parallels between Henry, Bae, and Mr. Gold. http://oncereflections.com/category/baelfire/ I don’t agree with everything that the author wrote, but I do think that the parallels specifically between Henry and Mr. Gold are hinting at them actually being related to each other since there’s not really a reason to do so since Mr. Gold has no connection to Henry as of now. I also like the Bae is Henry’s father theory for that reason because it does seem very unusual that Henry is the only other main character on the show that isn’t connected to Rumpelstiltskin when he has a connection with all the other characters and is inserted into so many fairy tales because of him starting everything in motion.
I wonder if that’s why the writers wanted to wait a few years before revealing who Henry’s dad is because Henry could then be around the same age that his dad was when his dad was ripped apart from Henry’s grandfather, but instead of Henry and Bae being ripped apart, they would be reunited. Or they wait until Henry’s around Bae’s age when Bae got sucked to Earth, and have Bae reunite with his father after he realizes, he hasn’t been such a good dad either. (Of course, I’m not sure if he can be blamed for Emma not telling him about Henry; although he could be blamed for his douchy behavior that lead to Emma not telling him about Henry.)
1) If Baelfire is Henry’s father, why did they end their relationship and why didnt baelfire persue it if he felt she could help him get back to his world?
I’m hoping that he just got freaked out by something that made him have a flashback to his previous life in the Enchanted Forest when he was with Emma, and he couldn’t handle it because he thought his father was involved somehow with his relationship with Emma.
2) For Rumplestiltskin to pick up baby Henry, how did he know that the child was the saviours son? Assuming he has foreseen things, he must of known Henry was the only way to get Emma to Storybrooke. Is he aware Henry is his grandson?
I believe the producers when they said that Rumpel only got his memory back after Emma arrived into town. Plus, I don’t think he would use his grandson as a pawn like that especially since Bae would never forgive him if it were true. Plus, as dark as his character is, he does seem to have a code about children even when he’s separating them their parents. He won’t do it to every child only those with parents that he thinks are unworthy of their children unlike Regina who separated Hansel and Gretel from their dad just because she was full of envy about their relationship. Anyhow, I can already see him going after Regina even more because of Henry almost dying due to her apple tart once he finds out that Henry’s his grandson.
I just hope that Bae isn’t the Big Bad or a Big Bad, and didn’t let Henry be brought to Storybrooke because of his master plan against his dad since I think that would make him irredeemable.
I don’t know who was behind Henry being brought there though. Maybe the Blue Fairy was keeping tabs on Emma and found out about Henry being up for adoption, and had him be brought to Storybrooke. Maybe it was the curse that did it. Or maybe it could only be Henry that was brought there because he has two magical parents, so maybe Regina had wanted a child for almost 18 years, but couldn’t acquire one until Henry was born because the other children weren’t magical enough to be brought to Storybrooke.
Emma is suppose to have a love interest next season.. and as much as I like August / Pinocchio I hope it is someone totally different.
I hope so too because I don’t see any chemistry there at all except sibling like chemistry. Plus, puppets freak me out, and I’ll just keep imaging him as he was in “A Land Without Magic” if they kiss or anything else.
However, I think that this next part is probably closer to the truth,
Once GOLD finds Baelfire they return to SB where Bael meets up with Emma. ( Who is now in a serious relationship with someone else.)
I bet there’s a love triangle between Bae, Emma, and August since those 3 are the only 3 that escaped the curse. Ultimately, Bae/Emma will be endgame, but I think Bae will have to redeem himself from however he was before by suffering watching Emma and August be together.
Henry either accepts or reject his father ( Being Henry, he will make his own evaluation.)
I think he’ll eventually accept him, but I do think Regina will try to use Bae to put a wedge between Emma and Henry. I don’t think it will work, but I could see her thinking that tellling Henry his dad is really alive and maybe even helping bring him to Storybrooke for Henry to meet would make Henry hate Emma for Emma telling Henry that his father died. Of course, it would then backfire on Regina when Henry doesn’t hate Emma forever, and Regina finds out that Rumple is in fact Henry’s grandfather.
Wow! A lot of great theories here.
1. I agree that the flashbacks of Snow White and Prince Charming overthrowing King George and Regina will mirror the storyline in Storybrooke of three sides forming with Regina vs. Rumpel being the main battle, at least at the beginning because of Regina holding Belle hostage.
2. As a reward for freeing Belle, Jefferson will now work for Rumpel, but I’m not sure he’ll fare any better working with Rumpel instead of Regina. I do think that Wonderland will be brought back somehow. First, I agree with the popular theory that Regina’s mother, Cora, is the Queen of Hearts, but something will happen where Jefferson has to rescue Grace or vice versa in Wonderland, or Jefferson has to rescue Grace’s mom, Alice, who was lost in Wonderland.
3. I also like the Wizard of Oz theory from charming since Emma, Henry, August, and Jiminy fit Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tinman, and Cowardly Lion pretty closely. Plus, it will be another world that we’ll get to see since we saw Wonderland this past season.
4. Dr. Whale will turn out be Prince Eric from the Little Mermaid.
5. We’ll find out where Baelfire is, but he won’t be reunited with his dad this early.
6. Baelfire was behind the book getting to Henry and told August all the information about the dagger to fool Rumpel, but the Blue Fairy, the curse, or some other Big Bad was behind bringing Henry to Storybrooke.
7, Finally, I agree with The_Savior, there will be a love triangle involving Emma. I’m guessing Baelfire vs. August. (Although, she doesn’t know who Baelfire is for some reason, like he’s disguised, since I also believe that Baelfire is Henry’s dad. I’m not sure how that’s going to work unless the writers just go ahead and decide to reveal the twist now since a lot of people have guessed that Bae is Henry’s dad.) There will be shipping wars though.
I adore the rooms inside Jefferson’s magic hat and Wonderland was just well, wonderful, much better than Tim Burton’s version, imo.
@Elysabeth1 wrote:
@Josephine wrote:
I’ve been thinking about Emma, Henry, true love, the Charmings, and Henry’s father and it kept circling in my head. The theme of the show is that true love is the most powerful magic in the world. It got me thinking in OUaT that true love begets true love. I’ll explain…
Snow’s father loved her mother deeply. We’ve even seen him talk about it in front of Regina. So Snow is a product of true love. Then there is Charming. His mother tells of how she dearly loved his father and that true love will follow the ring she gave him, just like it did for her. Next in line is Emma, who we know is the product of Snow’s and Charming’s love for each other, and hence why she’s the savior curtesy of Rumple’s curse.
So that leaves Henry. The last in a long line of true love. We know that Emma truly loves Henry, but unlike the others, he’s not the product of true love. He’s the result of some messed up, accidental, dysfunctional relationship. She was a teenager, he wasn’t told she was pregnant, then she got arrested. Not the outcome of true love. So what’s different with Henry? Why did the cycle stop with his conception?
Or will his parents ultimately be each other’s romantic true loves. The show preaches it and shoves it down our throats, so why for the main character does she not have what everyone around her, even Rumple, has? Do you think they’ll eventually bring back Henry’s father, whoever he is, and redeem him in her eyes?
I <3 it. You are so right. It doesn't fit. They all have the same true love surroundings. We already know that Emmas response to intimacy and responsibility is to run. Maybe she was truly in love with him, and that's what scared her. Made her run. Somehow it went wrong (jail). I'm sure there are tons of us who are guilty of running from love out of fear of being hurt. Lol. That would explain her over-thought answer to Henry, yet we know how she really feels. Somewhere down the line they will reunite, and suddenly she'll have the ultimate true love; the FULL loving wonderful family she's never had nor could have ever imagined. <3
I love this theory too that since her parents were the products of true love and that since she was the product of true love, that Henry should be too. Plus, since it is a show about fairy tales produced by Disney that whomever Henry’s father is will turn out to be Emma’s one true love. I’m guessing he’ll be like Emma too in that he’s someone from the Enchanted Forest, who escaped from the curse, but who is an original creation by the writers.
In a recent interview with Jennifer Morrison, she said that since season 1 was about Emma's developing relationship with her son, then season 2 is going to bring a love interest into Emma's life. My theory is that it could either be August (if he's restored from a puppet to a man), Jefferson (with whom there was chemistry), or perhaps even Henry's dad.
Since I believe that Baelfire is Henry's dad, I'm not sure if they would introduce him so soon since they had talked about the viewers finding out who he is would be like a season 5 or 6 twist. However, I'd rather they wrap up the mystery of where Baelfire went and where he is now, by the end of next season since I don't want it to drag on any longer than that. I guess they could introduce him and not have him interact with Emma just yet, but if he is her one true love, I'd rather see hints sooner than later since I think Emma deserves to have a fairy tale romance like her parents do.
Oh, I agree that her getting the egg should repay the favor, but since it’s Gold, I’m guessing it’s not going to happen.
Everyone has a lot of great ideas. I guess I tend to sit on the side of it just being a plot hole unfortunately, but before the season finale, I did suspect that the Blue Fairy was up to something.
It all started after “Dreamy” since even if she is a “good” character, I still don’t like her for how she destroyed the love between Dreamy and Nova. I would have thought that if she really were a benevolent creature that she would be happy to see true love happen.
Then, in “The Return”, I thought there might be something more to her quote about being the side of right. I’m sure Regina and Rumpel think that they’re on the side of right too, so I was wondering what was going on there. Plus, she seemed to be working with August in telling him about the dagger.
In “A Land Without Magic” though, there didn’t really seem to be any kind of signs that she was faking not having her old memories at all, but I still don’t like the character. I’m guessing a lot of it right now has to do with the inconsistent writing for her character since there’s not much background to her story yet like with some of the other recurring characters, so I don’t feel sympathetic towards her. Right now I want to know why she couldn’t step into save Regina from her mother, since she helped so many other characters. Or why she was so against Dreamy and Nova happening. Or why it had to be Gepetto and that she couldn’t magic the wardrobe herself or find someone else that could have. Or finally why she didn’t even think about true love’s kiss working or at least suggested trying that first, and then trying the magic bean. Or at least giving Bae and Rumpel a head’s up on how freaking scary it would be when the bean was used.
