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@Faux Pax wrote:
It’s possible, but i’m really hoping they save that little tid bit for later. like maybe AFTER things start to get better between Nealfire and Rumple. I’m twisted, i know. But you can’t deny that would be too epic to not to play out. Besides they have already put all the pieces on the board, emma knowing about Milah’s connection to Hook and if Bae had centuries of history with Hook without knowing… we’ve covered the fact that i’m a bit twisted, right? 😆
lol, no if you’re twisted it means that I’m twisted too. I agree though because it seems like in the promo that Nealfire starts to soften towards his father when his father’s dying, which makes sense because Nealfire isn’t heartless no matter what his father did to him, but later on Nealfire finds about Milah, and their relationship is worse off from where it was before. I think that they’re relationship will always be like that with Bae softening towards his dad and letting him in at times, but then something happening where Rumple does something that reminds Nealfire of his post-Dark One ways or Nealfire finds out something else disturbing that Rumple did, so they’re relationship has plenty of setbacks until either the show finale where they finally make up, or if they kill one of them off and have them make-up right before the other person dies.
[adrotate group="5"]@slurpeez108 wrote:
How did August know Neal is Baelfire? It must’ve been a little fairy who told him. 😉
Yep, definitely trusting the Blue Fairy less and less after this episode.
First, we get confirmation that de-ageing someone takes away all their memories, and it looks like August is going to get a convenient memory swipe by the Blue Fairy.
Then, we get confirmation that Neal didn't just come to Earth first, but some magical, probably Neverland, since he didn't age, when he was suppose to go some place without magic. I guess they could get around it by having someone say that because his needs changed, his destination then changed, but for now, it looks like the BF is caught in another lie.
@Naomi wrote:
Loved how he came back to make sure she was safe —- as much as it must have killed him to see his papa again. 😥
I loved that too. He faced up to his biggest fear for Emma, imho. 😥
I think Neal is still TOTALLY in love with Emma. He’s just very shocked to see her. Which brings up a point I was wondering: he didn’t seem to realize it was Emma, so why was he running?
Either it’s because of his life of crime, and he’s still afraid of going to jail either for the watch heist or perhaps for even more now. Or it’s because of the postcard, and he was on the lookout for his father to come find him, so he took off the minute something suspicious arose.
@Elle wrote:
Emma and Neal having their face-to-face talk. I am a bit upset that Neal is not that guilt-ridden about what he had done to her, but I do like how Emma had a bit of a chance to let out some of her pain and frustration.
Yes, I’m a little surprised by that, but I think that were several reasons for that. I do think he still feels extremely guilty, but there was already so much going on with the episode that they didn’t want to add more SwanFire angst to the mix. There were more important issues that needed to be dealt with first like Bae with his father, and everyone finding out that Henry’s father was Neal.
Plus, I think for Nealfire, since we got confirmation from him that he’s been on the run from his father his whole life after what his father did, I can’t blame him for the situation with his father being what he was thinking about more than his issues with Emma. He probably figures that there’s no chance there anyways, so he was in self preservation mode. Although it did give hope to my SwanFire heart that he came back to confront his father to make sure that Emma was safe, and he stepped in when his father started threatening Emma.
Rumpelstiltskin injuring his own leg–I sorta figured he would soon find a way to leave, but it was still heartbreaking to see him have to do the deed.
Yes, and while I don’t agree with Milah’s disgust towards her husband, I think it’s a little bit more understandable. I mean it’s one thing to be injured in the war, but to do that to oneself especially after being happy about going to war and everyone in your town knowing about it is quite another thing altogether. Although I think she was still heartless to poor Bae when she just handed him over to his father and acted like she was suddenly repulsed by him too.
The whole family reunion–Neal seeing Henry, Henry learning Emma lied, Rumpelstiltskin realizing who Henry really is, Emma having to tell she lied, and Henry hurt by it all.
I really loved Neal telling it straight–his father abandoned him in a world alone, with no one. And what was even worse was that his father still didn’t learn his lesson–he actually talked again about magic (loved how exaserated Neal looked) and how he could turn the clock back until his son is fourteen. Neal was right–his father still didn’t learn his lesson. He was still using magic for everything.
Yes!!! Definitely my favorite parts of the episode. All four actors were just brilliant. They played off each other really well. I can’t wait to see the flip side of this scene someday with all four finally making inroads with each other and coming together as a real family.
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Greg spying. Seriously, why is he so interested? I get that he was freaked out about it, but it just seems forced.
Yes, forced is a great word to describe Greg’s reactions. I don’t really get the big deal about his video either. Maybe it’s because it looked so fake anyways, and there’s tons of videos out there on YouTube of videos that have objects floating around that actually look more realistic, that I’m jaded by this subplot so far.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
I don’t see the point of going there if they’re not gonna go all the way Bae being Peter Pan? With Hook trying to kill Rumple? There’s probably issues between Bae and Hook too so some how there’s gonna be a part played there with the Rumple/Hook confrontation.
Yes, when people were arguing whether Bae would be Peter Pan or not and that he might be a Lost Boy instead, I didn’t quite understand because with Hook in the story, they should just go all the way and have Bae be Peter.
So Nealfire IS Peter Pan…oddly enough i thought i would be more disappointing in that fact then i am.
Yes, I thought I would feel more disappointed, but I’m still on a great high after watching “Manhattan”, so it doesn’t bother me now like I thought it would.
Plus, this leaves open the door that Tamara is Tinkerbell, and that the Blue Fairy isn’t all she seems since K&H said something about “not doing Peter Pan this season” I believe, which while maybe somewhat true was sort of a half truth it seems.
@EastOfTheSun wrote:
Im sorry you feel that way Malchore…=( sorry to disagree but to me this storyline thought predictable, is genius!! It makes me love the show even more! the poetry and the irony of “the savior of the curse” + “the reason behind the curse”, meeting in our world, is pure magic, for me it talks about fate and destiny, and that when two people are meant to meet, nothing can stop that…maybe im just a hopeless romantic, and like these types of stories… Also that makes Henry 100% from fairytale land, like the seer said he is more than he seems, so I bet he is going to be powerful!! so all of this is part of his history, his fairytale, and that gets me excited!!
This is why I ship SwanFire so hard! (Yes, Neal has a lot to make up for; although, Emma was no saint herself tonight.)
I’m also disapointed about the fact of Baelfire being Henry’s father. Not only because of the reasons you give, but also because I can’t see how the boy that Bae was has became the man that Neal is.
I know before we got confirmation that Neal was indeed Baelfire that people who hated the idea often did so because they couldn’t see Bae growing up into Neal, but I think it would definitely change someone to be abandoned by the person that that person thought would always be there for him/her like Bae thought with this father. He already had to deal with his mother leaving him, because I’m sure once he grew older, he figured it out that she really wasn’t kidnapped, and then his father abandons him too.
Further, If he were dropped into this world straight from FTL, then that had to change him a lot too, since he was without a family and had no idea about how our world works. If he tells people the truth, I’m sure he realized quickly that he would be labeled as crazy. If he keeps it to himself though, then he always has to keep some kind of distance between himself and others even when he loves them like he did Emma. On the other hand, even if he is Peter Pan or got dropped somewhere else first, it would have the same kind of effect on him, and definitely change him.
I’m a Gold Digger all the way too.
Hook is nice to look at, but then he opens his mouth and ruins it for me.
@PJSparkles wrote:
1. The trees weren’t around yet (300 years is a long time even for trees)
2. Geppetto was needed to make a magical creation. (though that means at least 2 trees were used. what happened to the others? because 2 seems like a small number even for magic trees)
3.Wardrobe could only be a protection spell portal (this is kinda negated by the fact that MM and Emma use the ashes to get back)
4. The Blue Fairy is up to something. (not a theory I readily get behind but I see more of a case building for hidden motives)Thoughts?
Unfortunately I think the wardrobe was a plot device, and now there’s some plot holes surrounding it and the beans too.
Like for number 1, if they can make the beans grow quicker, presumably, since those take 100 years to grow, then I would think that with magic that the trees could be made to grow faster.
Don’t even get me started on why neither Rumple nor the Blue Fairy knew about the magical beanstalk or how Rumple somehow didn’t know about the trees with special properties that would take people to a different land. I guess number 3 could have been true at one time which is why Rumple couldn’t use the trees, but you’re absolutely correct in now that fact seems to be negated since Cora was just going to recharge the ashes to come to our world. Don’t even get me started on how why couldn’t the Blue Fairy just recharged the wardrobe with water from the lake like Cora did either.
I’d rather believe that these aren’t actually plot holes but that number 4 is true and that the Blue Fairy is actually up to something. Probably not, but with the spoiler of her turning August back into a boy, I really hope she's up to something because I want there to be a great reason they're doing that instead of just killing August off.
The spoilery stuff regarding this is really just speculation. We were tossed some very vague hints, and our imaginations sorta ran riot trying to figure it out, but there’s not even any hard evidence to suggest that we’re on the right track. So it doesn’t really give any definite spoilers away to say that some people are now wondering if maybe Bae was actually the threat that Blue was trying to rid FTL of when she gave him the bean, because maybe there was some prophecy about him becoming a powerful evil force in the future, (in other words, Bae is our Anakin, the boy with the prophecy about him, and it all ends up a hot mess). Like I said though, no specific info we’ve been given proves this, the info doesn’t even specifically mention Blue or Bae, it’s just people wildly speculating.
It’s possible that she misinterpreted something to believe it was going to be about Bae, so she sent him away. Then, we find out that she’s either right or possibly wrong, and it was about someone else like Rumple or Henry.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
What we could see with Henry, however, could be a very interesting foil for Rumple’s character, and could create a kind of juxtaposition. Instead of becoming a dark figure, Henry could become a power for good. He could learn to avoid the same mistake, despite it being foretold by some creepy old fortune teller.
Oh I do think at the end that Henry will remain good, but I could see them doing something with alternate timelines or just visions that the viewers see of the future of an evil!Henry; however, these visions wouldn’t come true in the end. They would be included to add to the angst factor because I’m not sure it’s enough just to have Jared Gilmore be tempted by magic. Also personally I wouldn’t want to see current day Gilmore showing too many signs of potentially going to the dark side, just a few, because he’s the heart of the show, so I think if they took it too far with him, the show would become too dark and not what it originally started out as with a show about people getting their happy endings back and good triumphing over evil. Not that there won’t be even darker times ahead, but they do need to maintain a balance and having Gilmore’s Henry stay mostly on the good side helps that balance very much, imo.
Further, comparing this situation to Star Wars, while I don’t want to insult Jake Lloyd despite the fact he’s not a child anymore, I don’t think he was the right choice to play Anakin; although, I think it would have been very tough to find a child actor that could live up to the expectation of playing such an iconic role at that young of an age. While Jared Gilmore is a good choice for the Henry we’ve seen so far, if they do want to show more glimpses of this possible future, I don’t know if they’d be able to pull it off with Gilmore. Not to criticize him, but maybe it would be easier than having Gilmore try to pull that off by seeing glimpses of a future!Henry.
Oh wait- doesn’t Anakin, foresee his mother getting killed or something & that is what essentially starts him on the road to going all Darth Vader on the Jedi? (My SW is very rusty). Could that be what Rumple see’s- Emma’s death turning Henry vengeful maybe.
Yes, he had visions of his mother in pain, so he tried to save her but was too late. As a result of his mother’s death, he flips out and kills an entire tribe of Tusken Raiders. Later, he has visions of Padme, the mother of Luke and Leia, dying, so he becomes obsessed with doing anything to help save her life including going to the Dark Side, which ends up being what leads to Padme’s death.
@Mich7 wrote:
^This and it goes back to who is really Regjna’s enemy in Cora’s mind…whoever stands in the way of her fully fulfilling her potential and since to Cora love is weakness….that would have to be Henry. In a twisted way Cora thinks she is being a good mother.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Cora does go after Henry to hurt him in some way since I think that this season has been building up to Cora and/or Hook going after Henry to force the Charmings, Rumple, Neal, and Regina all to work together, and to get Regina at least by the end of the season to choose the good side over evil. (If she does have to go as far as killing her own mother, I don’t know if she’ll necessarily stay on the path of good next season. I guess we’ll see.)
However, I don’t think the ominous thing about Henry that is going to be revealed involves Cora going after him because I think most people already figured that she would.
