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@slurpeez108 wrote:
The BF does have a devious look on her face when she gives Baelfire “the last bean” in the EF. I have wondered in the back of my mind ever since The Return, exactly what her intentions are.
As have I, since usually characters who make speeches about how they’re on the right side, not the good side mind you, almost always turn out to be the bad guys. Plus, I found her facial reactions suspicious too, but unfortunately given what K&H have said, I wonder if it was just a combination of bad acting, directing, and/or editing that lead to them picking that shot to use.
Of course, I never blamed her outright like many BF haters have for giving Bae the magic bean since it was Rumple’s fault that he didn’t honor his deal, but at the same time, I think she did know enough about the situation that the odds were pretty good that Rumple would chicken out since he was still reveling in his Dark One powers. So I could overlook that, but then the whole wardrobe thing happened, and she outright lied to the Charmings, so I thought for sure she was going to turn out to be the ultimate Big Bad until K&H ruled her out.
Yet, I’m also inclined to believe Eddy and Adam would never outright lie to us about her being a protagonist. She may have a very utilitarian view of things (e.g. keeping Nova and Grumpy apart for the “great good” of the EF), but I don’t think that makes her evil. Perhaps, as Phee suggested, however, her good intentions have led her to justify her manipulations as being for a greater cause, which we interpret as being outlandish now, but we’ve yet to see how they play out further down the road. Maybe she feared for the future of the EF and she needed a way to save everyone by bringing them to another realm. Eddy and Adam are certainly setting the story up to have a longer running time than just 2 seasons. I think the “chilling reveal” could be that the BF disguised herself as the seer and then gave Rumplestiltskin a cryptic prophesy which ultimately led him to becoming the dark one, to lose his son, and to create the dark curse to bring everyone from the EF to SB.
I hope so because I think it does give her character more depth and doesn’t make her look just like a plot device when they can’t think of another way to write something.
First, before I write this I think it’s important to remember based on spoilers on “Manhattan” is that the future isn’t so clear cut and that apparently it can be changed, so I don’t think any of these characters will turn out to be the Big Bad. Just based on what K&H have said and the casting list though, if the Blue Fairy is ruled out, I think that basically only leaves Emma, Henry, and Baelfire as being a shocker that would send chills up people’s spines.
I would rule out Emma since she’s already the Savior, and I don’t think they would give her diametrically opposed roles like that. Plus, it adds more drama if there’s a possibility down the line that she might have to fight her son or first/true love in a final battle. Henry would be the biggest shock but since there’s no way of knowing how long OUaT might run, I think it might be too risky to put Jared Gilmore into a role like that since even though he is growing and there have been movies/tv shows about “bad seed” children, because I don’t know if he has enough gravitas to play that dark and why Henry even would at such a young age since I think this would have to happen a long, long time the road if it ever did happen. The only way I could see it working is if it involved time traveling and an older Henry comes to Storybrooke, and everyone has to team up against him. Although I’m going to rule that out for the moment because time traveling can become incredibly confusing, at least to me. I’m sure they won’t be able to resist doing the idea because there’s been so many hints already, but for now I’ll focus on the other candidate.
Baelfire makes sense based on the character’s name since there’s been theories I’ve read based on the “Wheel of Time” series. In fact, I just read another one last night, http://tricksandtreachery.tumblr.com/post/43040905391/unorganized-post-of-thoughts-re-gold-rumpelstiltskin, that theorizes the possibility that somehow Baelfire is responsible for the undoing of events like Graham coming back and/or August reverting back to his child form.
Balefire is a weapon created with the “One Power or the True Power…, described as blindingly bright beam of ‘liquid light’ immediately annihilating anything it touches. Balefire has the added effect of undo the actions done by what it hits backwards in the past.
The only cons against this are that we haven’t really become that Baelfire hasn’t been a main character from the beginning, so I don’t know if it would have as much impact as if it were one of the other characters that’s been there all along. However, he was the reason that Rumple wanted someone to enact the Curse, and there would be a lot of irony in the fact that perhaps Rumple inadvertently saved everyone in FTL since maybe if Bae had stayed there, he would have grown up to be this terrible weapon/leader and destroyed FTL or made everyone’s lives more miserable than even what the Curse did.
[adrotate group="5"]Okay, we need a SwanFire prayer circle now. I’ve never actually done a fan prayer circle, but I feel like I need one now or at least a great big SwanFire group hug.
Now it makes so much sense why Tamara would debut in “The Queen Is Dead” and why Emma gets her heartbroken twice.
I just keep telling myself while I’m curled up in a ball, sobbing, that “it’ll all be okay, and that there’s plenty seasons left for SwanFire to happen. MRJ we’ll finally be back on. One step at a time.” Kudos to the writers though for this twist if Tamara really is Neal’s wife or girlfriend because I don’t think anyone saw it coming, even if my heart is breaking now.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@Phee wrote:
So Neal isn’t even aware that his father is there yet, he just heard Emma’s voice and that made him run. Oh, my heart!
If you’re gonna make a treasure map, even if it’s not an obvious one, why keep it in such a public place?
Yep, I’m thinking it’s a trap (perhaps set by Cora herself for Hook). I mean pirate = treasure map, is way too obvious.
Yes, I hope so because it makes Rumple and Belle look pretty dumb if it’s not some kind of trap. This could also be why there hasn’t been many spoiler pictures of Colin O’Donoghue in the next few episodes because he fell into some kind of trap and perhaps gets stuck there.
Emma’s trip to Manhattan will break her heart. Twice. But maybe it all needed to happen this way?
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Neal broke Emma’s heart 11+ years ago. Perhaps this time Henry breaks her heart when he discovers the truth about how she lied about his dad being dead.
This is my guess too. Henry finds out the truth which causes a temporary rift between him and Emma. However, it was necessary, I think, because, she’ll come to realize that Neal was trying to protect her like she was trying to protect Henry by lying about Neal.
5. The “Undoing” Part Has Us Worried, Frankly
We’ve been assuming Cora, Hook and Regina were Storybrooke’s biggest baddest bads, but a stirred up memory of a fateful event coupled with the episode’s final seconds leave us wondering if we’ve been looking in the wrong direction.It could be Rumple…or even Baelfire.
I think Rumple is too obvious because he’s still technically a big bad, imo, but I do wonder if it might be about Bae or even Henry, not that they will turn evil, but it would certainly blow everyone away if the Seer predicted that Rumpelstiltskin’s kin would be the ultimate evil.
Or it could be The Blue Fairy, but K&H always say that she’s not, and I would hope they wouldn’t just outright lie since then I couldn’t trust any thing else they said.
Thank you!
That stupid ad took forever to load on my computer, but it was worth it.
Aw, Emma was the one that found Bae’s room, and he must have recognized her voice or thought she was the police and ran off.
Thanks, I really don’t like that long hair on Cora though.
Yes, I liked that Cora is finally out of that blue dress, but I didn’t like her hair in that scene.
Darn it!!! I can’t believe i forgot to put fireman on here. It seems so obvious now, and here I was trying to think of 10 possible options to fill out the poll.
Fireman does seem like the perfect job for Nealfire because Storybrooke’s fire department seemed so inept in “That Still Small Voice”, and maybe we’d get to see MRJ dressed up like a fireman.
@Mich7 wrote:
Rats…I can’t get Vancity right now…won’t connect…but geez what a spoiler.
There is always the possibility that Eion doesn’t want to return as a regular on the show. Some of these actors want to be free to do other things. I believe someone said that is why Barbara Hershey turned down regular status and I think Josh Dallas had to pass on Thor 2 because he was a regular.
Glad to see Neal there and Blue Fairy…it’s about time BF got something more to do rather than just throwing fairy dust…hopefully she’ll have dialog this time.
Yes, I just read that, and while it does seem silly to have August be the only one to do a do over if Eion Bailey doesn’t want to return, or if the rumors are true and that there are issues that other people involved with the show have with Bailey. This might be the best way to handle the Pinocchio situation without killing him off since Disney may not want them to kill off an iconic character like Pinocchio and perhaps forces them to be more creative with his story line because I think killing him off would be really easy way to go. I just hope it’s done well and doesn’t come across too cheesy even for this show because there is a fine line there, and a few times they have unfortunately crossed it, imo.
Plus, this might open the door for Henry to hang around people his own age more next season since I think he and Pinocchio will continue being good friends. It also opens up the door more to the idea that Rumple might want to try this on Nealfire. I would hope that he wouldn’t do something so stupid, but we already had a hint in “The Crocodile” that in FTL, he could make someone be young again, so there’s a possibility that he could do the same in Storybrooke if he wished to. I don’t know what would cause him to do something like that, but if he finds out about the Blue Fairy doing it to Pinocchio, he might be really tempted to redo those missing years with Nealfire. (Of course, I don’t think they’d make the situation with Nealfire permanent if they did in fact go that route because of Henry and Emma, but if MRJ had some kind of scheduling conflict, assuming they don’t make him a regular next season, they could do make Nealfire younger for a few episodes until he became available again.)
@Phee wrote:
Dunno if anyone else here ever watched the show Arrested Development, but one of the characters, Tobias, was a “never nude”, an affliction where one can never be completely naked, not even in the shower. He wore denim cutoff shorts at all times, under whatever clothes he was wearing, and yes, even in the shower. There was a scene where Tobias was wearing his cutoffs, crying dramatically in the shower, and now I’ve totally got the mental image of Rumple crying in the shower, still wearing his shawl.Oh, how I miss that show so much! I’m going to have to get Netflix again just to watch new episodes; although, I fear they won’t live up to the first 3 seasons because so much time has passed, and Running Wilde made me wonder if the new “Arrested Development” will actually live up to my expectations because Running Wilde certainly did not. (Plus, this is probably sacrilegious, but there were a few misfires on AD like Uncle Jack and Maeby’s Hollywood story line, imo, but even those episodes were better than most everything else on at the time.)
Now I’m going to have visions of Rumple dressing up as one of the Blue Men Group to runaway from the trio of evil, and then him dressing up as Mrs. Featherbottom to try to fool Nealfire into liking him again.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Maybe his mother died in childbirth and his father was never around or actually LEFT Rumple. If so, it would make motherhood a really noble endeavor in Rumple’s mind as well as being a good father. So when Milah becomes like she was in “The Crocodile” it’s a real slap in the face because Rumple was a good papa Pre-Dark One and Milah loved her son, but did leave him, something that happened to Rumple so he understood it. And then he went and did exactly what his father did. Oh man. Issues, guys. Issues.
I know!!! It’s also ironic, in a way Nealfire and Emma have repeated the same history too. Nealfire thought that Emma had to be alone to fulfill her destiny which lead to her giving up Henry for adoption despite the fact that I know she didn’t want to.
Now I really want to know who Rumple’s father is and what issues there were and to see if there’s some kind of pattern going on with Rumple’s family line that hopefully Henry won’t repeat. (I really love the idea that he’s a famous fairy tale character too since it could possibly introduce a new world or worlds like if he were from The Wizard of Oz per chance.)
@Ser_Dragon wrote:
Wow, great post there slurpeez.
ITA. Awesome post!
While I prefer Lana Parrilla in Evil Queen mode over Regina being sad and mopey, I was really annoyed that she was either dumb and/or too arrogant last season not to get that Rumple had his own agenda and wasn’t on her side at all at various times last season. Sometimes the good guys can be portrayed as being too naive, which is unfortunate but a pretty common occurrence on television or movies like OUaT, but when they had Regina acting like that, I couldn’t take her seriously as a real villain since it made her seem too much like a cartoon villain, imo.
It became even worse after “Skin Deep” because it became even more harder to swallow that she’d think Rumple would be okay with her part in breaking him up with Belle.
I could believe that they’re frenemies like the relationship Regina had with Maleficent, but as slurpeez108, at least in season 1, Regina still believed that Rumple was helping her and on her side despite all the evidence to the contrary.
I don’t know if it will be a part of the final battle, whatever that is or not, but it definitely adds another layer and more drama for when the Nealfire revelation comes out to everyone in Storybrooke. She’d probably already see Neal as a potential threat because it’s another relative that she sees competing for Henry’s affections, and she could also possibly be worried if SwanFire ever reunited that she’d never be able to get Henry back.
On top of that, then she finds out about everything else like how Rumple has basically spent the last 300 years doing nothing else but trying to reunite with his son, and ironically, she’ll be like Emma in many ways, since I’m sure both will wonder how far Rumple’s manipulations have messed with their lives. However, I think eventually Emma will accept Neal into her life whether as a friend or possibly more and will stop being hung up on whether Rumple had anything to do with Neal being in her life, but for Regina, I’m not sure she’ll ever be able to let it go. If they do redeem her character and not a redemption from her dying by saving another person or persons, but a redemption that we get to see gradually happen onscreen over how several seasons, I think she’ll have to eventually forgive Rumple to gain that kind of redemption. I don’t think she will be able to, but if she ever wants to start anew and really let go of the past, I think it’s necessary for her.
I think that the Charmings, Regina, Rumple, and Nealfire will eventually work together this season against Cora and Hook, but next season, it will be interesting to see how they all get along. Regina still has the Wraith’s mark, so maybe something happens there, and Rumple has to be the sole person or the main person to help free her soul.
