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Neal, if he is Bae, left Enchanted Forest 250 years ago (more or less)….wouldn’t he have aged a lot in OZ? Or do you think he’s been to many worlds?
-Yes, I think Baelfire/Neal has indeed been to many worlds. An extended time in Neverland would account for his slow aging process.
I think Jefferson was stuck in Storybrooke during the original curse. Bad things happened when people tried to leave and that would include him. After the curse was broken, a new boundary curse happened. That was Rumple’s price for creating the dark curse in the first place…he wanted to find Bae but now can’t leave without forgetting him. So, I think Jefferson could leave now but he would have to leave Grace behind because Grace would forget Jefferson was.
Yes, but Rumple’s reinstatement of magic happened in the timeline after the time Neal/Baelfire was working theoretically for Jefferson and met Emma. There would be no consequence in this earlier time of Jefferson forgetting Grace. As for something bad happening to Jefferson if he left “pre-reinstatement-of-magic Storybrooke” one could argue that the worst thing that ever happened to Jefferson already did: he lost Grace. What more would he have to lose if he left?
[adrotate group="5"]“Now I am pondering the connection between the two of them. One thought is that Jefferson could possibly be the Wizard of Oz and if Neal is Baelfire maybe he spent some time in the Land of Oz???”
I think THE DOCTOR might be a “tip of the hat” to Whale/Frankenstein being the Wizard. But that remains to be seen.
I very much agree with Neal/Baelfire being able to jump between lands. How exactly, we have not yet been told. If young Baelfire, after being sucked into the vortex, ended up in a “Land Without Magic, ” it could mean present day real world or perhaps another world without magic (Mulan’s? Whale/Frankenstein’s?).
If Baelfire ends up being Peter Pan, logic says that there will have to be some way for him to travel freely at some point from the first “yet to be determined Land Without Magic” to Neverland to modern-day NYC. This freedom of passage thus implies that travel to Oz is no exception.
WEIRD THEORY-I think there might also be something to Neal’s story of stealing the watches from the drunk jewelry store manager. Neal implies in dialogue that there is something “off”/old-fashioned about the way his WANTED poster appears in the post office.
1.We have learned that Jefferson is stuck in modern day land (HAT TRICK).
2. Jefferson’s transit through modern day land is not affected in the way that other Storybrooke characters are. (Is there anything in the ploltline I have missed that would keep him in modern-day Storybrooke?)
3. Thus, is it possible somehow that Neal/Baelfire worked as a janitor for Jefferson (the drunk jewelry store manager) and stole the watches from him?@Gypsy wrote:
K&H have said in the entertainment Weekly interview that Oz is not a question of ‘if’ but a question of ‘when’.
And, ‘just’ a nod, no, that really wouldn’t be evidence of anything, really, but naming Henry’s father Neal Cassady is more than just a nod- the fact that the name Neal Cassady is heavily connected to Peter Pan is evidence, to me. I haven’t seen stronger ‘evidence’ pointing to another character. So, the Neal Cassady clues tie in with TheGoldenKey’s theory of Bae being PP and Henry’s father. Names are all- important to these guys…they did the same thing with LOST.
Yup! There is definitely a penchant for Oz by K& H. “Henry Gale” in LOST is a good example. I would also add the Flying Monkeys in Henry’s book and the green doors with OZ on the handles (HAT TRICK) to the Oz evidence.
Hi All! New to this thread so forgive me if this has been commented upon before:
I think the “casual” mention of Neverland by Emma in TALLAHASSEE is important. Neal is talking about moving to a new city and Emma says in response (paraphrasing): “Where? Neverland?” I argue that NOTHING in a script for a newtork show as big and and analyzed by fans as OUAT has any “throw away” lines. There is also use of the adjective “lost” by Neal in his TALLAHASSEE dialogue.
So, if I were a “bettin’ girl”, I would put my money on Neal ending up as Peter Pan. The dual antagonist possiblity of the Rumplestiltskin family against Hook is too good to pass up from a dramaturgy point of view. Hopefully, Neverland developments will also give the show a chance to beef-up Belle’s character. For a character who is supposed to be smart and assertive, Belle should not end up the damsel-in distress librarian for the show. Give her a sword! Let her fight Hook on a pirate ship! Give her something instead of being handcuffed to a mining cart!
