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Speaking of alternate realities, has anyone questioned how Jefferson came to be in Storybrooke? Was it explained in ‘Hat Trick’? By the end of that episode’s flashback, Jefferson had been left in Wonderland by Regina. If Wonderland is a different dimension than FTL, then Jefferson would have had to be there for the curse to have brought him to SB. Or did he come to SB in a different manner?
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@FibreHeart wrote:
Was there a moment of stasis where Regina had everyone in a sort of limbo while she assigned positions, names, relationships etc. One of the clues that lead me to this “Regina’s real life doll house” is when she just sort of pulled Kathryn out of her hat with a whole relationship and everything for David. It’s just a thought though.
This has been on my mind as well, but the convo between Regina and Gold suggests that physical intervention takes place, not mystical. Regina states to Gold that she thought he took care of her (meaning Kathryn). I’m starting to think no one just up and disappears into thin air if they try to leave SB, but something/someone prevents them from leaving.
I do believe Regina found David on the side of the road as that has been the story since ‘Snow Falls’. The curse took PC & SW’s happy ending away and made it to where PC/David & Abi/Kat were married instead. Regina probably knew of this became a friend in passing to Kathryn and only became a closer friend when MM got close to David.
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
It’s true, there is a number of things that can happen regarding Belle. It’s frustratingly difficult to pin down any one direction with what little we’ve been given.
As far as Gold’s use of please, it has been used sparingly. I wonder if the cost of this particular magic is to Gold’s own health. Has he been relying on the cane more in these later episodes as compared to earlier ones?
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
@scaredcrow65 wrote:
I’m not sure where this thread really fits, but here seem as good as any, since it’s kind of a character discussion of Regina and Rumple.
So Regina is being all diabolical and holding Belle in the secret insane asylum, right? Most likely to hold her over Rumple.
So my question is, what does she get from this?Regina gets a pawn in her rivalry/war with Rumple. Remember, Regina is the only one who visits Belle in the asylum. She can condition that girl to believe anything. If her memory was altered like everyone else, then Regina could have Belle think Mr. Gold did something to her to cause her to need to be in the psych ward or have Belle think Mr. Gold put her there directly himself, like a relative abandoning a family member. Now, imagine if Gold asked Regina to ‘ please’ release Belle. Regina wouldn’t have to lift a finger against Gold.
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
No, Gold wouldn’t have had the hat. That has to be the hat Jefferson used in “Hat Trick”. Regina may have kept it after leaving him in Wonderland.
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
Aurora/Sleeping Beauty
Ariel/Little Mermaid
Rapunzel
The Swan Princess
The Frog PrinceThe Snow Queen from the fairy tale of the same name
The Sea Witch/Ursulamore Maleficent and the Blind Witch
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I don’t see Dr. Whale as being the Big Bad Wolf from the 3 Little Pigs. There are already two ‘wolves’ in Storybrooke – Granny and Red. Perhaps, another type of shapeshifter that has a few tales about them – like a Selkie Lord.
I didn’t know where else to put this, but since there’s so little else known about Dr. Whale I decided to cobble up some info and post a couple theories.
What is known about Dr. Whale from the show/sources
He is a doctor in Storybrooke who appears educated in the medical field and is actually concerned for his patient’s recovery.
He comes across as slightly arrogant, full of himself, and inconsiderate of others. “He can’t be tied down.”
He seems to be working with Regina, although he could just be doing what she tells him, similar to Archie in regards to Henry.
He has shown an intense attraction to Ruby more than once – which is not reciprocated and which may or may not have turned ugly had he not been interrupted on one occasion.
He prefers to go into situations “never knowing what’s expected” because “it keeps life interesting.”
Theories/Speculation
Dr. Whale is the SB counterpart of Dr. Knowall, from the Grimm tale of the same name.
Dr. Whale is the SB counterpart of Lemuel Gulliver, from the Jonathan Swift novel ‘Gullver’s Travels.
Dr. Whale is the SB counterpart of Prince Eric, from the Disney-fied version of the Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale.
Dr. Whale is the SB counterpart of Erik the Red (aka Eirik Raude), an actual Viking explorer and inspiration of Viking tales.
Theories/Speculation further defined
Dr. Whale can be any number of the above but, in the hands of the OUAT writers, is probably a conglomeration of two of them.
Firstly, Dr. Whale could turn out to be both Knowall and Gulliver. The Grimm tales gives a story about a peasant named Crabb and mentions a wife named Grete (or Greta). However, it doesn’t define whether Crabb is his first name or last. In the first theory, let’s decide on the former and we have Lemuel Crabb, a modest man who wants to be more. To coincide with Gulliver’s Travels, he doesn’t just pose as a doctor but takes up an apprenticeship with James Bates (from Gulliver’s Travels). Prior to his adventures in that story, Crabb has the one told by Grimm and becomes a considerably wealthy man. A man who seems to either enjoy explaining everything to his wife or feels he must. Some time later, something happens to seperate Crabb from his wife, Grete, and he changes his name to Lemuel Gulliver and has his travels, eventually marrying his next wife, Mary Burton. Gulliver is known for leaving to go on travels but always returning home – being on the sea, of course, it’s not really explained if he is faithful to his wife while away from home. If not, that would explain Dr. Whale’s attitude toward women. ((FYI, there was an actual Lemuel Crabb who lived from 1800-1865, was a farmer & carpenter, and had a wife named Sarah))
The second way Dr. Whale’s tale can go would be a mix of Prince Erik and Erik the Red. Of course, Erik the Red had a wife and four kids. The original HCA tale has the prince turning away from the little mermaid (Ariel) to marry someone else he already loved which, in OUAT writers’ hands, would possibly be someone named Vanessa to go along with the Disney-fied version. Throw in the possibility that the man in red among Regina’s group of evil when the Dark Curse was cast could possibly be Erik the Red and that a man who “can’t be tied down” may be an allusion to Dr. Whale being a selkie lord and you have one interesting, if not confusing, backstory.
@Josephine wrote:
I was debating where to put this, but if Belle does get out of that asylum and supposing she has her memories and she meets Gold at one point, do you think she’d actually know who he is? Gold looks a lot different than he did as Rumple and even his voice has a different, uhm, color, for wont of a better word.
Knowing Regina, she’s probably done something to ensure Belle knows who Rumpel/Gold is, memory or not. Belle is either Regina’s insurance to keep him in check or an attack plan should he decide to outright go against her. I’m pretty sure Regina’s interactions with Belle in the psych ward consist of more than just looking through the peep hole, especially if Regina’s the only one who has visited her.
Expect the unexpected, Accepted the unaccepted.
