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At the end of the day, we can all have our own speculations about the real motives that the writers have to do anything. I’m simply basing my opinion off of how I’ve interpreted the story so far and what the producers have said. I know that script writing is a business as well as an art, but I think A&E are good at keeping to their vision. They didn’t cave to change their original idea that Henry’s father would be Neal just because fans guessed well in advance he was really Baelfire. They maintained the course they wanted. I’m not presuming to know what the writers have planned in advance; I’m just saying I think they mapped out S3 well in advance, including this sad spoiler. I don’t think it was just sprung out of nowhere due to outside pressures or whatnot. That would be a very sloppy way to conclude a season when OUAT ratings have been dropping consistently.
I’m of the opinion that I do not think this death is gonna happen towards the end of the season, I think it’s gonna happen in late March or early April. Near the beginning or about the mid point of season 3B.
[adrotate group="5"]awoovo wrote: Rumple never said that. Rumple’s direct quote is “You can have a chance at happiness, and that happiness is possible just not with me”. Possible does not mean a guarantee, same as saying it’s not a guarantee he would get a happy ending.
QuoteBut why have him even mention that it was a possibility if they were already planning to kill Neal? They could have written anything for Rumple’s goodbye to Neal, but those are the words they chose – hope for happiness in the future. The point I made still stands, I never said that Rumple offered a guarantee, I said that they had him put that sentiment out there, and if they did that right before they kill Neal, that’s a cruel misdirect, and it’s something that I don’t expect they’d do to a character that is 100% of their own invention. They don’t have many of those on this show. Neal, Emma and Henry are Adam and Eddy’s babies, and I just can’t imagine them putting one of those characters in the position where they’re basically saying to them, “Well your life sucked in pretty much every way, and then you were finally given hope that you could get your happy ending after all, but PSYCH, YOU’RE DEAD INSTEAD, SUCK IT.” And that’s what it would feel like if they killed Neal off after what they had Rumple say to him.
A possibility is not a sure thing though, so that could be the way to kind of move around it. He did not say you will get a chance at a happiness because that would be a certainty. They made it vague.
If they kill the character using the method I think they’re gonna do then it’s already gonna be cruel and I don’t think there’s gonna be an actual storyline reason to kill the character. All these characters have more stories to tell, that’s why I don’t buy the whole “storyline” stuff.
Of course they’re gonna say that and then in a year or two when the actor is away from Once they will reveal via interview just why exactly they left. This has happened many times in Hollywood, it takes time to find out the truth of why things happened the way they did.
awoovo wrote: I just ultimately don’t think that the S3A posters are gonna carry on to this half of the season.
But the themes probably will still tie in, even if the plot changes course (which it is…we’re going to Oz). The theme weren’t just about plot….they’re about the characters themselves.
- Will Charming still fight for his family? Always!
- Will Snow White continue to believe in hope? She wouldn’t be Snow if she didn’t!
- Will Regina’s maternal love still be stronger than her dark heart? Yes; she’s a protective mama!
- Will Emma find her way back home to her family? Yes, she’ll find her parents again!
- Will Hook the pirate become a hero? Yes!
- Will Henry continue to believe in the impossible? Yes, he’s still the truest believer (albeit cursed).
- Will Rumple change his fate? Yes, he survives!
- Will Belle continue to find strength in the unlikeliest of places? I bet she will! Rumple told her she made him stronger in 3×11!
- Will Neal get his second chance? I think so!
Absolutely it’s just during this arc, season 3A the believe posters showed us the recurring themes for each character in NVL. I’m not sure that we can hold the “believe” posters to their themes after Neverland was complete.
Some people don’t view Hook as a hero still, despite Neverland. That was his theme in NVL, that was his story. Will it continue, yes but I’m not gonna hold the poster as proof. Actions speak louder than words.
All happy endings start with hope though, and we know Snow was speaking in the context of hope that Neal could still be alive (it was in episode 3×6).
I know that all happy endings start with hope all I was doing was saying that Rumple never said he can have a happy ending. He just said that happiness is possible and I wrote the actual quote. It is possible, but it’s not guaranteed.
Slurpeez108 wrote: Rumple sacrificed himself in 3×11 so that Neal could have another go at happiness, just not with him.
Yep, and the fact that that happened as recently as 311, having Rumple say, “you can have your happy ending,” I just can’t fathom how it would be a natural story progression for them to then turn around and kill Neal less than half a season later. Unless they plan to give the whole show the biggest gut punch ever, why would they have given Rumple that line of dialogue to set up hope for Neal’s future if they were planning to take away Neal’s whole life? Does not compute IMO. So if the death is for story reasons, (and I’m with those who believe that Adam’s telling the truth on that one), and they do end up killing Neal, that line of dialogue from Rumple was the cruelest misdirect ever, and I’d honestly be very surprised if Adam and Eddy screwed one of their few 100% original characters over like that.
Rumple never said that. Rumple’s direct quote is “You can have a chance at happiness, and that happiness is possible just not with me”. Possible does not mean a guarantee, same as saying it’s not a guarantee he would get a happy ending.
I just ultimately don’t think that the S3A posters are gonna carry on to this half of the season.
A and E both have gone on record as stating this upcoming 3B is a season in and of itself. All those posters were about the Neverland arc. They have nothing to do with what is going on in season 3B. If they did they wouldn’t have used the Neverland backdrop for the posters.
All the posters told the arcs while they were in Neverland, even Neal. He got a second chance with his father and that was his ultimate storyline and the main focus of him in Neverland.
All the posters believe messages came true during the course of the 11 episode Neverland arc, in fact most of them were recurring themes for each character while they were in NVL.
^^^ I think it was innocent too but we dissect everything since that spoiler we’re just looking for clues to give us some degree of closure over which character we’re losing lol.
They were innocent pictures until you looked deeper and it became very clear that they were not innocent at all.
awoovo wrote: Do you guys realize that if it wasn’t for the jersey story then we would have never ever known that not only is RH in 3×16 but a scene like that was being filmed in that episode? They would have gone off undetected if it wasn’t for the set visit.
I have real sympathy for the story of the traveling jersey since it was for a terminally ill patient. What I still struggle to come to grips with is why any fan, even an ill one, would be given access to set during the filming of a potentially major death of a main character? That doesn’t make sense to me. Why not give that person access to a less intense scene like Charming teaching Henry how to drive? Or like Snow and Emma talking about her pregnancy? It baffles me how anyone could think that funeral spoiler wouldn’t get out?
Maybe they didn’t think the person would share the pics so soon or something? Or they didn’t even know she took pics.
They truly were innocent pictures though until you paid attention to details. Like the background where the cameras were being set up, the way the characters were dressed, the atmosphere. Then it becomes not so innocent at all.
^^^ I just don’t get why he would lie about creative differences it’s not like he has to go into anymore than that. If it’s creative differences just say that who can fault him for that?
He lies because he has to protect his product. Now don’t think this death means the actor is gonna go unpaid. The actor still gets paid for the season and if they’re trying to keep it under-wraps then they will pay the actor more to not go out on auditions nor to leave Vancouver. That would give it away. This happened with Lost.
Again though he says it’s for storyline reasons which IMO is not true but if it is he needs to tread softly. If this death is to show the Wicked Witch is as wicked as her name says she is then that’s gonna leave fans very upset. It essentially makes the death a guinea pig for the audience to see just how much of a threat the Witch is.
Do you guys realize that if it wasn’t for the jersey story then we would have never ever known that not only is RH in 3×16 but a scene like that was being filmed in that episode? They would have gone off undetected if it wasn’t for the set visit.
There was a tweet from Adam today in which he said that it was for story reasons when asked if the person leaving was unhappy. But my response (which I didn’t send to Adam out of respect) was: but would you ACTUALLY tell us if it was personal? He’s a businessman as well as a writer and the last think you want is to air your dirty laundry–so to speak. If someone is unhappy or got a bigger offer or simply decided it was time to call it quits, would Adam and Eddy really come out and say that? Add to this that Adam has told every fan/shipper to “have hope” and then turned around and said, “yes but that was all pre-death” means to me, IMO, that this death wasn’t planned from the start. Either they’ve backed themselves into a corner writing-wise and can’t figure a way out (messy love triangle has turned into an unholy shipping war that the internet talking *badly* about ONCE and Oncers…so kill one of the men) OR someone is unhappy.
I know it was probably wrong to do it but I just straight out asked him lol and ******* wouldn’t you know it the dude actually answered lol
He wouldn’t lie, that’s such a joke it’s ridiculous. Seriously A and E are on my bad list because all they do is lie. He lied about telling people he never gave them hope so boom you’re caught in a lie right there.
Of course he’s gonna lie, he’s not gonna reveal whom is the death. Even though there has been loads of overwhelming evidence stacking up from all sides and I’m sure he didn’t like that those pics leaked from filming last weak.
You guys realize that filming with characters dressed in black at the graveyard would have gone undetected if it wasn’t for the set visit.
He’s gonna do the same thing he always does. He’s a businessman first and foremost and lying to protect the product is always part of the agenda.
They’re gonna be in trouble though because if “storyline reasons” is gonna equate to lets show how big and bad the Witch is by having her kill a main character, people are gonna be ticked. Essentially making the character a sacrificial lamb/guinea pig to show to the audience and the characters that the Witch means business. That’s not gonna fly well with anybody.
