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I don’t think the number of episodes affects the quality of the writing that much. Better writers would know how to use their extra episodes, even if there are filler episodes, they could be useful for characters development.
I mean, look at OUAT, yeah technically they have 22-23 episodes per season, but not really since they split it in half so there are 11-12 episodes per season and I don’t think this split has improved the quality of the writing, it even made it worse.
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Another great post by Screwball about the decreased quality of the show over the seasons.
"All your questions are pointless"
Moana is one of the bestDisney characters created in recent years and it would be a shame if OUAT ruined her like they did with Merida, Elsa and Anna. Honestly I hope Moana will be left alone.
In my opinion, if Moana does come to OUAT, Disney will never allow them to give her a lice interest and a child.
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IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
So, while I appreciate the renewed interest in this thread, this I can’t stand. This thread was dead on here for three seasons. I decided to revive it to “bring some balance” to this forum which I felt had leaned far too heavily on the SF side of things and the Hook bashing was getting ridiculous. That being said, I started posting in this thread again with the idea that everyone would be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what ship they like. This is still a safe haven for CS fans.
I was the one who revived this thread and I think everyone’s opinion is important. It gives the show a less biased perspective. And quite frankly, to say other people who want to bring up the SF true love discussion as it pertains to the CS true love discussion don’t belong here and that it is rude and obnoxious, is in and of itself, RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS. Who are you the thread police? Last time I checked it was an open thread and anyone could post in it as long as it was relevant to the thread’s topic. This topic is CS. The discussion shifted toward whether CS really are officially true love and why didn’t share TLK. That set up a compare and contrast debate between the true love discussion between Emma and Neal and whether it was just first love. If you decide you want to react harshly to someone who believes differently than you about a friking tv show, well then go right ahead. But now you are the one being rude and obnoxious.
I posted in this thread again to encourage not only CS fans to start posting again, but also to invite SF fans to chime in with how they feel as well. The fact this cannot be done cordially is sad, childish, and pathetic. The people in the SF thread on these forums always encourage CS fans to post in their thread, as long as it wasn’t malicious. I don’t know why a CS fan would want to post in that thread bc the debate is so incredibly biased and one-sided but such is a ship thread in general. I don’t know why we cannot do the same in this thread. Stop acting like little babies. I encourage the SF fans to continue posting in here going forward as long as it’s relevant, and I’m sorry there has been so much hostility since reviving this thread.
Now as far as Neal and Emma go, I do think it’s possible that one person can love someone else but the other doesn’t love them. However, with true love, I feel like you can’t even obtain true love unless the feeling of love is mutual right?
And although A&E make it seem like they planned CS right from the beginning, are you guys really that delusional that you believe them? And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
I think the only “evidence” is from the episode Tallahasse, which in my opinion had less to do with Emma and Hook’s relationship, and more to do with Emma’s trust issues and how it reflects with the people she interacts in this episode – Snow, Mulan, Anton and Hook.
Here are a few examples:
1. Emma and Mulan:
Mulan: Come with me. This…powder made from poppies. He has to inhale it.
Emma: Your sword… how strong is it?
Mulan: The most powerful blade in all the realms.
Emma: Is it strong enough to cut through that beanstalk?
Mulan: Indeed.
Emma: Give me ten hours. If I’m not back, you cut it down and keep going.
Mulan: Snow won’t like that.
Emma: That’s why I’m asking you. If I don’t get back, you get her home.2.Emma and Anton:
Emma: I’m not what you think!
The Giant: You’re a thief, and you poisoned me, so yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re exactly what I think.
Emma: No. Look, you have a compass. I need it.
The Giant: I don’t care what you need.
Emma: No, for my son! To save my son! Don’t you have a family?
The Giant: No. Because humans killed them all.
(Emma bites the giant’s hand and he drops her. She runs to Jack’s skeleton and then uses his sword to set off the trap from earlier, trapping the Giant)
Emma: Nice security system. Efficient. (points the sword at the Giant’s face)
The Giant: No. No! No! No! No!
Emma: I can tell by your face you know what this is. Let me guess… it’s dipped in some sort of poison. You have a compass. I need it.
The Giant: You’re going to kill me either way. Go ahead. Kill me.
Emma: You don’t know me.
The Giant: I know your kind. They massacred us, and destroyed our beans.
Emma: I heard it the other way.
The Giant: That’s because the victors get to tell the story. (Emma draws the sword closer) Okay! Stop. Here. (gives her the compass) See? I’m not the bad guy.
Emma: Maybe you are telling the truth. Doesn’t really matter. I have to go. Are there anymore of you?
The Giant: No. I’m alone.
Emma: What’s this? Is this a bean? Can this make a portal?
The Giant: Not anymore. It was destroyed like the rest of them. I wear it as a reminder… a reminder that you’re all killers.
Emma: You’re wrong.
(The Giant breaks free from the cage and removes a boulder that leads outside)
The Giant: Go.
Emma: Why?
The Giant: Because you could’ve killed me, and you didn’t. You get one favour. Now go, before I change my mind.3. Emma and Hook:
Emma: Hook.
Hook: You are bloody brilliant. Amazing. May I see it? The compass. (shows him the compass) It’s more beautiful than legend. Come. Let’s go. (He extends his hand to Emma but she chains his hand to the wall) What are you doing? What are you doing?
Emma: Hook, I… I… I can’t…
Hook: Emma, look at me. Have I told you a lie? I brought you here. I risked my own safety to help you. The compass is in your hand. Why do this to me now?
Emma: I can’t take a chance that I’m wrong about you. I’m sorry.
Hook: You’re sorry? You’re sorry?! I got you here! I got you the compass!
Emma: I got the compass.
Hook: Well, you’re just going to leave me here to die? Have that beast to eat me, to crush my bones?
Emma: He’s not a beast. And you’re not going to die. I just need a head start. That’s all. (she leaves)
Hook: Swan. SWAN! SWAN!4. Emma and Snow:
Mary Margaret: You told her to cut it down?
Emma: Yes. I couldn’t risk…
Mary Margaret: We go back together. That is the only way. (sternly) Do you understand?
Emma: Yeah. (They hug.)
Mary Margaret: Good. Now, let’s go get that dust from Cora.
Emma: Yeah, and go home.
Mary Margaret: Mm-hmm.Also notice that this was the first time that Emma initiates the hug between her and Snow. Why? Because people always left Emma and she expected Snow to leave, but she didn’t, she stayed for her and that is significant for Emma.
So I have two questions:
1. Why is Hook and Emma’s advanture more important than that moment she shared with her mother?2. Why didn’t people start shipping Emma with Anton? I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is less attractive than Hook.
"All your questions are pointless"
No because I’m only talking about romantic true love not familial true love.
Emma Swan has never indicated nor said that Neal was true love. EVER! The only person that she’s said this about was Killian Jones. You can’t accept that, it’s not my issue. No amount of head-canons in your brain will win out over canon in the show.
As for Emma when she said I love you to Neal she WAS highly emotional and the show even said it as such. The show stated she only said I love you to Neal at that moment because of the stakes much like in S2 finale she called Snow and Charming Mom and Dad because she thought they were all gonna die.
Emma when she said that Killian is her true love, was not in any amount of stress. She was happy, she was honest, her walls were completely down, and she was speaking from the heart.
That’s the difference between both scenarios. Emma should absolutely be taken serious when she was speaking her vows. How dare you suggest otherwise? Go back to reading your headcanons or crack theories.
It seems to me like you can’t accept the fact that Emma LOVED other people rather than other people accepting that Emma is with Hook.
P.S. people’s true feeling usually come out when they’re highly emotional. Feelings = Emotions. It’s a shame that you make a significant moment like Emma calling Snow and Charming mom and dad only to try to reduce the significant of Emma loving Neal. A story is supposed to be more than just ships, there are themes as well.
"All your questions are pointless"
All people have said here is that it is strange that all-knowing writers didn’t use their unquestionable true love indicator that they themselves used pretty much everytime on their main and minor ships on KillEmma. It might be intentional or it might be that they are simply bad writers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"All your questions are pointless"
That’s great Rainbow I highly doubt it’s at the level where you can impact the ratings. Cause everyone I know and I know 100’s of people that watch this show in the GA have all quit and said S6 was their series finale. Because they think a show without Emma Swan is a complete joke and a waste of time.
Unless all these people you and Rainbow know have Neilsen boxes none of them will impact ratings. Everyone needs to keep remembering that.
And most of the 100’s of people I know do have Neilson boxes including myself. A benefit of being in a very big theatre community. ?
Why didn’t you and your Neilsen friends tune in to the big KillEmma episode?
I thought people are not allowed to tell they have Nielsen boxes, but maybe I’m wrong…"All your questions are pointless"
Why does it matter if KillEmma were planned or not? They are together now, they are together at the end.
In my opinion, they weren’t, not because of SF, but because A&E are incapable of long term planning. Everything post 3A was obviously not planned from the beginning of the show."All your questions are pointless"
