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WTH was that? Basically…
Rumple: *weird explanation*, but *loophole*…
Emma: so how do we WHAT?!?
Writers: Let them just speak a lot of nonesense really fast and no one will notice that this is crap…
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Little John taking Roland back through to Camelot which just so happens to be next to the EF. Yeaaaah. Robin’s dead.
Of course Regina doesn’t take him in cause god forbids there will be anything on the show that might remind the viewers that there was a character named Robin.
This is a series about family and hope so of course Roland’s happy ending is being an orphan and living in the woods.
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I know. Didn’t they specifically say that the pen couldn’t write dead people back alive and now that is what Cruella is suggesting? Stupid show.
It is confusing. Basically, Cruella said the apprentice lied to Henry. In 4×22, the apprentice said,
“Not even an author can bring back the dead, no matter how much he might wish it…Your father, Baelfire, died in the real world, and that sadly can never be undone.”
Cruella and Henry then had this convo in 5×13,
Henry: You’re already dead. No one can change that. Cruella: Actually, one person can: the author. Oh yes, that’s you now. Henry: No, the apprentice told me it’s impossible. Creulla: Because he didn’t want you to! But Henry, you can. The author’s power if far greater than that bearded old man wanted you to believe.
So either Cruella is lying about the apprentice lying to Henry, or she is telling the truth. As mad as she is, I’m inclined to believe her. What does she gain by lying aobut it? Nothing. What does she gain by being honest? Potentially everything.
The problem I have with this is that we saw Rumple and Isaac say the exact same thing in a different situation where none of them had any reason to lie.
What they try to do here is to ignore something the established because it’s inconvenient. That’s bad writing and it’s inexcusable.
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Do you think showing the Underworld is a “jump the shark” moment of any fantasy show?
No. Fantasy operates with a lot of archetypes and tropes. The Hero for instance. Whether literal or metaphorical, the hero tackles the Underworld/concept of death and is victorious, thus signaling his status as the hero. It can be powerful and very well done–just look at Harry Potter with their metaphorical crossing the threshold to the “Underworld” in book 1 or the more literal Limbo-like status of King’s Crossing in Book 7. Like Lily said, it’s about the stakes. The stakes are extraordinarily high in HP (of Buffy or SPN or even their katabasis moments of fantasy literature, like ASOIAF or the more urban and deconstructed world of the Magicians). The problem isn’t the appearance of the Underworld and a lord of said place—that is a pretty natural situation for OUAT given their adoption of the hero myth. The problem is that the stakes in the Underworld haven’t been made big and bad yet–Hades just sort of blandly threatens them (while being charming, yes) and Cerberus is too easily killed–and at the end there’s a bridge to Heaven. It also doesn’t help that the world building is fairly unimpressive and leave a lot of questions open.
But the books/shows you mentioned never fully described what happens after the person dies. The afterlife stays a mystery and the depictions are either in the forms of dreams (Harry Potter) or a vague memory (Buffy). The stakes remains high because it is not fully known what happens after you die and not everyone can come back on the whims of the writers. The people who came back, did it because of very clear circumstances that allow the reader/viewer to understand why this character was able to come back and that other character wasn’t.
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Here is one of the issues that Lily Sparks raised about this episode and entire arc in general; I happen to agree.
Now look, just gonna be real here for a sec. Feel free to disagree! This country is a rich tapestry of volatile opinions and this is not different. It’s my personal opinion that a series jumps the shark when the main characters go to visit an afterlife in a dream sequence. I believe that was true for True Blood, for The Vampire Diaries, for Supernatural, and so on. Because once you take away the mystery from your series’ conceptualization of death, you take away all stakes and/or the idea of death as a real threat to the characters. For example, when characters “die” on Once Upon a Time, we now imagine them in reddish Storybrooke, wearing sweaters and eating burgers (maybe slightly dryer, but still). It’s not exactly the same stakes as when death is what it is to real people: the great unknown. So the idea that Hook was threatening Hades with non-death or death plus or whatever… felt kind of stake-less? They would find a solution to this later that was very elegant—I’ll get to that at the end of the review—but in this moment, all I could think was “Right. Conceptualized afterlife added onto premise is just never a good storyline.”
Source: TV.com Do you think showing the Underworld is a “jump the shark” moment of any fantasy show?
Yes, unless it has already jumped the shark, which in OUAT’s case, it had. Death just stop feeling real when you know that the people happily live their afterlives. Why should they mourn about them?!
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Let me guess, Bae/Neal was dying but Rumple made his first deal to save his son life and he used magic to save him when he was supposed to die, there explaining why he thought Bae would die if he went to war, and some how Bae/Neal soul was always “sold” to the gods, meaning the death would colect his soul the gods wanted. I know this makes no sense, but is OUAT so in a way makes sense.
Whatever they do, I’m sure it’ll be a huge retcon in order to give Neal’s death more legitimacy.
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“that forces Rumple to make a deal that will haunt him”
I wonder what might haunt him for an entire episode all of a sudden that we never realized before.
This is starting to get tedious, it will be the fourth episode in a row with flashbacks that start with point A and end with point A with relevance only for this current episode.
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I have a problem with Snow’s “epiphany”. We, the fans, noticed that this was not the character we used to love, but that was not shown through the narrative of the show. Snow and other characters never commented about this. This is yet another example of viewers know => character know.
My problems with Snow’s epiphany are a few. 1) The timing is totally wonky. For me, she became Snow White (officially) at the end of S3A “Going Home.” The end of Snow White was the Pilot, saying goodbye to her child, knowing it was the only way to give everyone their best chance. The beginning of Snow White in this world should have been the parallel situation of Snow kissing Emma goodbye at the town line, knowing it was the only way to give everyone their best chance. 2) I really don’t like that Snow’s epiphany didn’t come from a place of deep internal inspection of what it means to be Mary Margaret vs what it means to be Snow White but because Regina (a character who fluctuates between Hero-Mayor and Snarky Evil Queen on a dime) and Hercules (a one-off who’s connection to Snow was only just established this week) had to prop her up. With all that said, I’m just really glad I never have to hear “Mary Margaret” come from David’s lips ever again.
It would have been more meaningful if they used Johanna instead of Hercules.
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I just realized there was some “Go The Distance” tune in the episode. Usually, I found those things really nice, now it is just annoying.
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I can’t help but wonder if Ginny was all, “Get my character back on track, dammit,” and this was their effort to give Snow a bit of a soft re-set. If so, then I’m OK with it, I can deal with any inconsistency, as long as they keep it up and make the character better from this point on.
Characters do 360 on this show. It will be as relevant as Snow’s character development through out season 2.
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