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February 11, 2016 at 1:09 pm in reply to: 100th Episode Celebration Roundup (Saturday, February 20th in Steveston) #316528
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ParticipantAlso wonder who are the media going there? Is matt from TV line going there?
Leanne from ET Online has confirmed she’s going. I expect Matt from TV Line, Natalie from EW, Marisa from TV Insider, and Jim from Xfinity (previously from TV Fanatic) will attend, too.
What about Lily from tv.com? LOL
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ParticipantEverything that was told about Merlin and the darkness in season 5 contradicts everything in season 4 – the hat, the mension, the books. How they got to storybrook if everything he owned was in Camelot?
I’m pretty sure that they never planned what to do with these things, they just drop them on us for plot.
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ParticipantBut hey, at least she gets to wear a momento from a serial killer. Isn’t that romantic?
lol You know, if you look at all the signs, I can totally see what you’re saying about the deliberate writing. I’ve personally been going back and forth on this for what feels like ages, and can’t settle onto a single interpretation. I think it’s also possible that different writers feel differently about CS, and there’s occasional dissent in the ranks, where those not so fully sold on CS actually sneak in some kind of double-speak.
Maybe they try to keep it ambiguous in order to not piss off CS until it will be inevitable, but by then they wouldn’t need their eyeballs anymore.
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ParticipantAll I can say is that this heart-splitting scheme had better not work. (even though I’m bracing myself for it). *HEADDESK!*
It’s not going to work.
Even if doesn’t they’l just find another way to save him that, in their opinion, doesn’t offend SQ and SF but gives CS what they want. That’s how A and E roll now a days.
My sweet RG, u actually think they are worried if they offend SQ or SF, of course not, as long as CS fans get what they want they are not caring about a fanon ship and a dead ship. They only care about those ships to bait, they don’t actually care if they get offended or not.
Which is a shame cause in my opinion SF and SQ (even if SQ are taking it too far) really understood what the show was about and cared about other aspects of it that were beyond their ship, but they changed everything to fit what CS want, who only care about CS and nothing more.
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ParticipantBut I think beyond this, there’s another issue with CS, and that’s the structural mismatch that I think maybe progressively led to where we are now. It’s a combination of who Emma is as a character, who Hook is as a character, and who they are to each other that makes it just a train wreck, in my opinion.
Despite everything, I’m still very open to the possibility that the writers are deliberately writing Hook as Emma’s Mr. Wrong. Everything about S5a just screamed how terrible they were for one another and how they brought out each others’ worst traits (e.g. Emma’s selfishness and insecurity and Hook’s vengence and controlling nature). Emma and Hook betrayed one another’s trust in the worst possible ways. Emma delibratley denied Hook his dying wish to let him go. She knowingly turned him into the thing he hated most: a dark one. Despite his plea not to put the darkness in him, she condemned him to a fate worse than death (from Hook’s perspective). I don’t condone anything he did to Emma, but she betrayed his trust in the worst possible way. In some sick and twisted act of revenge, Hook tore down and preyed upon Emma’s known vulnerability of having grown up alone and called her an orphan. Not only has Hook known that is Emma’s biggest insecurity since day one (recall the talk they had on the beanstalk in Tallahassee about him sensing her having the same look in her eyes as the lost boys), Hook then tried to take away Emma’s family from her — after she spent her whole life looking for them! Take that in: Hook tried to rob Emma of her family after Emma turned him into the dark one. Hook is the near destroyer of Emma’s happy ending — her home, her family. And this pattern of revenge is nothing new between Emma and Hook. It was going on before he ever became the dark one, which is why he doesn’t get a pass in my book for mistreating her. He has been doing this to Emma ever since Tallahassee when Emma left him atop the beanstalk. Hook then left Emma and Snow without provisions to die in that magic jail cell, despite Emma’s pleas to relase her so she could return home to Henry. I just don’t know how the writers could make it anymore clear that Hook is so wrong for Emma and she for him, on so many levels. By contrast, Neal gave up his own happy ending to get Emma home to her parents, and again to make sure Henry didn’t grow up alone without Emma. Neal then paid the ultimate price with his life to ensure Emma learned who the Wicked Witch was so she could save the town and Henry. Now, Emma is headed to the Underworld with her family (without a concern for Henry’s safety), determined to get Hook back via heart-splitting (desspite it making no sense) after he tried to MURDER them all. Emma could care less about her son’s wellbeing or Henry’s desire to see his dad again. It’s all about KillyBear, “giving into love” nonsense, yadda, yadda, and handwavy excuses for Hook’s terrible behavior. Tell me again how Emma isn’t OOC and how she isn’t podEmma. All I can say is that this heart-splitting scheme had better not work. (even though I’m bracing myself for it). *HEADDESK!*
I have a feeling about it as well, maybe all the things we complained about their relationship is actually intentional. There are a lot of signs that suggest that Hook might not be Emma’s True Love like:
1. They became a couple too fast after Neal died, this might suggest that she wants to be with him to heal the hole in her heart after Neal died and Hook is easy cause he’s there, he wants her, he follows her etc…
2. He did a lot of shady things during seasons 3B and 4 – Ariel, Eric, Black Beard, blackmailing Rumple, putting the apprentice in the hat (and there was that weird look between them in 422, implying that this is not over) – maybe all of this was whitewashed because it is going to explode someday that will ultimately end their relationship.
3. When August returned, Hook got jealous of him, might imply about a future relationship.
4. I mentioned here that Neal was mentioned a lot in 5A by Emma and Henry, for instance in episode 505 titled “Dreamcatcher” (one of SF symbols) written by A&E no less, there is a scene of Emma crying with a dreamcatcher in her hand, now everyone suspected that it was because of Henry, but a scene before she and Rumple talked about Neal. There are a lot of othee points that I wrote here previously, but there were times that it seemed like Emma wasn’t really over Neal.
So maybe A&E have been fooling us the whole time and they did intend for Emma and Hook to be unhealthy, maybe if season 6 is the last season, they wouldn’t care about ratings, therefore they wouldn’t care about CSers leaving the show after this season and Hook will remain dead. However, I doubt any of it, if it was their intention all along, they would have made it more clear in the narrative that Emma and Hook’s relationship is not good, especially after people criticizing the relationship as abusive and the romanicing of Hook.
I really want Hook and Emma to not be together anymore, but even if it’s true, it wouldn’t matter because:
a. Emma and Hook are not the only flaw this series has.
b. The ending isn’t worth much if the journey is tainted.
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ParticipantIt bothers me that they give Hook so much credit for “breaking Emma walls”, this is completely idiotic cause it means that none of the other characters in her life – her parents, Henry and their love weren’t strong Enough to allow her to open herself up to them. They give way too much credit to Hook. Emma “broke her walls” with Henry when she talked about her childhood, Emma “broke her walls” with Mary Margaret when she saw she was lonely as much as she was, Emma “broke her walls” with Ashley, Ava and Nicholas when she saw they were in the same situation as she was and she didn’t want them to go through it alone like she did.
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ParticipantHook not being in control is nonesense. If he couldn’t resist the darkness, then it should have been from the beginning of the season. It wasn’t, he was able to do what he wanted, the darkness didn’t affect him until episode 10, meaning the darkness was not in control. Not remembering that you are the dark one doesn’t mean that the affect wouldn’t be shown. If someone is sick and doesn’t know that, it doesn’t mean that the sickness won’t show its symptoms.
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ParticipantI haven’t seen any of the star wars films *ducks for cover* Yeah, idk where I’ve been, it seems like one of the classics that everyone should have seen by now. O hear Disney is making three more. Seems a bit excessive to me. I think the new one should have capped off the series and left it at that. I think Disney should be focusing on going down the road they started with the Oz movies. It had potential, but i guess there is more of an audience for star wars. And I just wanted to post something :3
I saw Star Wars, haven’t seen the new one yet. It’s ok, a little bit overrated and there much better franchises IMO (Lord of the Rings).
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ParticipantThey did? Seriously? I thought this was a thing that fans came up. I’m so confused. Whose wish, what was its fulfillment, and what, for the love of everything that is holy, was epic about it? Is this a direct reference to CS? Seriously, this confuses me.
Slurpeez already gave you the quote but yes they did. I think it’s because they picture Hook to be the akin of Han Solo, a character they’ve always wanted to be and have idolized for his “hearthrob/bad boy ways.” Hence…Princess Leia goes to a ball in a pretty red dress with their version of Han Solo.
Han and Leia works so much better cause Leia called on Han’s crap, and she kissed her brother to prove a point.
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ParticipantI disagree. Before the show retconned everything regarding Rumple’s personality and tried to change his motives to be because his cowardice, Rumple’s pre 311 motives were always about his son, every choice he made was for what he thought would be the best for his son, every flashback he had in S1&2 depicted brave things he did for “cowardice” reasons.
108 – He didn’t want Bae to go to the war because he didn’t want Bae to get hurt or die. He set a fire and broke to the duke’s castle while the place was burning in order to steal the dagger for his son – that’s not cowardice, that’s bravey.
112 – he pushed Belle away, not because of Regina, that was just an excuse, he knew that if he would let Belle in, she would distract him from his mission to find his son. He didn’t push her away because some conspiracy with the queen, but because falling in love would mean a distraction for him.
118 – this is the only flashback I can say that he truly was a coward, but he had a moment of weakness.
204 – He stood up against a bully that demanded he would fight him while he physically couldn’t, and Hook knew he couldn’t and took advantage of it, but the fact that Rumple went to his ship, not knowing what they would do to him or if he could get home, again this is a moment of bravery, not cowardice.
214 – I know they want to retcon this episode and claim that Rumple hurt his leg in order to not fight, but sorry I remember this episode, he was manipulated by a seer and again his reason was his son, that he wouldn’t grow up without a father.
Again, the show don’t want us to remember any of it, which is a shame cause Rumple’s story was one of the most complex and intersting the show told, but it doesn’t go well with Rumple is a “black hat villain” and Hook is a “hero”.
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