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Okay, here are my thoughts:
As much as 4A screams the jumping the shark moment, I honestly think it happened before.
In my opinion the moment was Neal’s death. It is not necessarily the death itself, but how it happened and what followed. The fact that they forgot about him 2 episodes later didn’t help, the fact that Zelena, knowing what Neal means to Emma, think that she would kiss Hook like few days after Neal died, this is not Zelena, this is the manipulative writing, which killed Neal for Emma and Hook to work. The way they wrote Emma and Neal didn’t allow for Emma and Hook to happen. Season 3B already had the rushed pairing of Robin and Regina, and now we get Hook and Emma. Neal’s death symbolizes the end of the show as being a show about family and hope, which was the main narrative for season 1-3A, since Neal had a lot of familial connection to the main characters. The show since then became about ships and this has become the thing that drives the show, not to mention that since then the writers has cared about the eyes more than the actual story they try to tell.
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Yeah, conversation’s over.
I’ll just put that in here:
@Lisa_B012 we're overseeing. Marvel comic will be canon.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) April 13, 2013
"All your questions are pointless"
I can say that for me canon is just season 1-3A because that is when the story actually ended, and everything else is just a badly written fanfic that doesn’t make sense, but that won’t be true.
Or someone can claim that season 4A is canonial to the Frozen movie franchise, but it won’t be canon cause the creators of the movie didn’t accept it as canon and they can actually contradict it in the sequel (I kind of hope they will do it) because it is not canon to the movie.
"All your questions are pointless"
Yeah, except it’s not. I understand that you disagree. That is fine. The vast majority of the people who watch this show have not seen the deleted scenes or read the comics. I have only seen a few deleted scenes and read no comics. Canon is the aired show and that’s it. You are never going to change my mind about this, so agree to disagree.
In fiction, <b style=”margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: 26.4px; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, ‘Nimbus Sans L’, Arial, ‘Liberation Sans’, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline; color: #252525; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;”>canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story.
The term Canon is a fact, not an opinion. Canon is about all the universe and the products that are part of that universe, GA doesn’t care about those things.
If you looked at other franchises like Star Wars or Buffy or Harry Potter, you would see there are a lot of extra material that the creators of those universes consider canon, like comic books, television shows, extra material that got cut.
Just because you don’t accept something as canon, doesn’t make it not canon. It is canon, but it is not part of your fanon or headcanon. Canon and the things that are considered canonial are facts and are decided by the creators of the world, in OUAT case, those are the TV, the deleted scenes on the DVD and the comic books. You might disagree, but it doesn’t change them as canons.
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Except deleted scenes are absolutely not considered canon. The writers don’t get to decide that.
Actually what is canon is exactly what the writers decide, right now according to Adam, canon is the TV show, the deleted scenes on the DVDs and the two comic books.
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Interesting. If she’s looking at old OUAT scripts, could we actually be getting an episode that maintains continuity with earlier episodes instead of contradicting them?
I don’t think it’s possible anymore. Maintaining the continuity with earlier episodes meaning contradicting the contradictions of later episodes.
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But he also wrote Smash the Mirror, which was pretty decent. I don’t think there is a rule to which writer writes good episodes and which one writes bad ones. Even A&E had bad episodes (511) and Jane Espenson (503).
What’s funny is I too actually looked at the body of work for Jerome Schwartz on OUAT and overall was quite happy he was writing this episode. As you pointed out, he worked on Smash the Mirror which I enjoyed, Enter the Dragon was a miss I think too, but he worked on Sympathy for the De Vil, which I thought was outstanding. And this season, he did do Broken Kingdom. Funny enough, I enjoyed broken kingdom mainly because it showed that Snow and Charming aren’t total idiots (and I didn’t get offended like some people did and I think the guy who played Arthur did a solid job of portraying the cry baby obsessed, manipulative child that Arthur was). And then, he worked on Birth which I thought was very good. Overall, I’d say I’ve enjoyed the episodes he has done.
I thought that Snow finally became smart again, and then it was revealed that it was a tedious plan to discover that Arthur has been working against them, which OK, but they also revealed to Athur they were on to hin, and then they took pride in it in a “we’re so perfect” way that it really put me off.
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Uhhh that would be awful. What I’m hoping is that her handsome hero is referring to Rumple, and she sort of is making fun of Gaston. Like, she doesn’t need him, her handsome hero is right here, and his name is Rumple.
I think generally speaking, when OUAT plays with inversions, it’s predominantly one-directional. I.e. known fairytale baddies tend to be bad on OUAT (though sometimes they have a redemptive arc), while some famous good guys (Pan, Arthur) turn out to be bad as well. I can’t think of an example of a notorious villain being recast as straight-forwardly good. This would, of course, be a lovely opportunity for the show to reflect on the “handsome hero” trope in the first place. At this point, OUAT’s heroes are already so problematic that I can’t imagine the title would be straight forward. On the other hand, I’ve no doubt that they can botch it spectacularly. The fact that it’s written by Jerome Schwartz is making me nervous. He also gave us “Enter the Dragon” (if I recall, this is the one where being evil = taking shots and trashing cars) and “Broken Kingdom” (wasn’t that the magic roofie episode?) Point is, I don’t love the gender politics in this fellow’s writing. I think he’s trying to tackle “difficult themes” but he isn’t always, shall we say, successful.
But he also wrote Smash the Mirror, which was pretty decent. I don’t think there is a rule to which writer writes good episodes and which one writes bad ones. Even A&E had bad episodes (511) and Jane Espenson (503).
"All your questions are pointless"
Where is it from? Is there a video? Or an interview? It could have been taken out of context..
"All your questions are pointless"
Also, this answer upsets me, once again they make it look like Neal only connection in the show is about one ship and all about Emma, when he is related by blood with Henry and Rumple.
God you are so right. I mean, I was no Swanfire shipper, but it’s super annoying that the writers just ignore the fact that Neal was a major player in more than just Emma’s life.
Why would they? God forbids they’ll remind everyone that Neal had more connections to other characters than Hook has and that he was more relevant to the story than Hook. Moreover, we know that they think that viewers only care about ships so that is what they’ll talk about, family ties be damned.
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