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@RumplesGirl wrote:
Small bit of disapointment from last night that I’m just recalling: The BF and Tamara were in the same shot at one point and the BF didn’t even register her. So if Tamara is a Dark Fairy, Blue has never seen her/heard of her, ect.
I was just batting that idea around while making lunch. There’s always the possibility that Blue is shady and in league with her, I suppose. It’s about the only way that I can get Tamara as a dark fairy to come to our world, or her mom to go there and news of her death to still get here. Blue would have to be lying somewhere about the beans or about not knowing a way to get here from the EF for me to be able to reconcile the travel necessary between the worlds. So it’s not impossible, but it’s still a complicated prospect. For shady fairy is shady fans, it does give Blue another reason to make Pinocchio a boy with no memory.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m doing better with the idea of the taser after reading all the tweets and theories here. Still don’t think it played too well during initial viewing, but maybe they can make it work better with more info.
There was a guy over in NY state in 2011 whose death made the news after he was tasered repeatedly during a rampage at a gym. He later went into cardiac arrest and died at the hospital. He was hit about 5 times, and the video was shown on tv. It caused lots of local news stories about his potential death from taser and police procedure around where I live. For a time the news was all about his death by taser. Then the autopsy finally came back saying the cause of death was actually agitated delirium related to his PCP use. Still tons of news stories come up to this day in a search attributing the poor man’s death to being tasered repeatedly. Tasers can certainly be dangerous, but normal tasers wouldn’t have the death rate and effect that Tamara’s device was shown with. Not by a longshot.
I get the impression that the gamechanger between Neal and Rumple is positive rather than negative from the way Robert phrased his comment. Perhaps, Rumple loses his power to Tamara’s taser while defending Henry. Then Henry is his “undoing” and Neal has a reason for his relationship with Rumple to improve.
@Phee wrote:
It would certainly fit the themes they’ve been playing with. But how does a photo of Tamara and her grandmother, clearly taken in our world, work into the theories of her being related to the Fairy Godmother?
That’s the same problem that I’m currently having with the fairy godmother theory. I don’t see how it can fit with clues like the picture of Tamara with her grandmother. It’s clearly from this world. It’s well worn as though she’s carried it for years (and she was still carrying it in her car), so I don’t see it as being fake. There doesn’t seem to be a good way for Tamara as a fairy to make it to our world from EF. Her mother going to the EF from earth to become a fairy would be unprecedented in the show, and then there’d be no known way for the information of her death to make it back here. If it’s so hard to get here that Rumple had to do this huge curse, it makes Blue supremely shady if the fairies did have the power to come here all along. I like the dark fairy/daughter of Cinderella’s godmother idea, but I don’t know how to make it fit.
I’ve been thinking more about the Oz possibilities. It’s seeming to me that Tamara’s mother might fit better with Dorothy than her Grandmother. IF Rumple sent Jefferson a few years before the curse was activated that could put Dorothy’s visit around the late seventies. Seventies, Oz, New York… that sounds like The Wiz. Diana Ross’s Dorothy was a 24 year old kindgarten teacher from Harlem, and it was made in 1978. K&H could use that much as a homage in whatever take they might have on the story. After gettting home (and taking with her the transportation that Rumple was looking for), Dorothy would have had Tamara. She could have a father from here or perhaps her father was from Oz. Oz would get him out of the picture, so that’s what I’m leaning towards. Something then happens to Dorothy that leads to Tamara having to be raised by her Grandmother. Maybe she got sucked back to Oz in another storm or chose to leave because she was looking for something (Tamara’s father?). Maybe the wizard did something to her after he returned. Maybe she was branded “crazy” for her story and locked up, leading Tamara to try to stamp out magic for ruining her mother’s life. There’s tons of possibilities. The key would be that magic would somehow have taken her parents from her. That’s why Tamara’s treasured picture is of her with Grandma.
It fits with Tamara being human and from here. It ties in to the science vs magic theme. (The wizard did use science to fake magic afterall.) Hints for Oz would include Jefferson’s trip to Oz leading to the revelation that the ruby slippers were already used. Greg having a town dropped on him as a child. Right or wrong, it’s a fun idea to toy with for me.
Back to the other points that folks have been discussing. I suspect that Tamara and Greg/Owen met as adults. By that time they were both driven by their childhood traumas to seek out magic and stop it. Gives them common ground to bond over. They could have met online or likely while investigating the same incident that they suspected to be from a magical cause.
Also with all the discussion about Tamara using the Empty Heart Spell, I’ve been wondering if she’s replicated the effect with science instead. Could use pheromones or harmonics as a base since olfactory and auditory cues play huge roles in attraction. Easier than tracking down a chimera if she’s a super scientist type.
I’m wondering about Tamara’s grandmother being Dorothy for an Oz connection. We’ve heard reference to the ruby slippers having gone from Oz. That could fit on the timeline. Greg (Tamara’s lover) had a town dropped on him as a child. The wizard bridges magic and science, which fits the theme of this plotline. Tamara could have seen the ruby slippers and have known since childhood. She could easily be a human with an axe to grind, especially if something happened to her grandma as a result of magic.
I’m starting to wonder if Tamara’s grandmother could have been Dorothy. We got reference to Oz earlier this season with Jefferson looking for the ruby slippers. Plus with Kurt and Owen having a town “dropped on them”. If she loved her grandma, Tamara could have first learned about magic from her grandmother’s stories. Maybe she has the ruby slippers or saw them work. That all still leaves Tamara as a human as she said. That also leaves the Wizard as a science tie in.
@HappyEndings wrote:
If Bae truly loved Emma regardless of thinking she might not want to see him it was his manly duty to try and at least tell her his side of the story or try to contact her by phone, mail, etc.. To me that is just a cop out – coward in my opinon. 👿
You can have your opinion. I just feel the rspeated coward accusations are being constantly connected with illogical support. To me it is going beyond a stretch to distorting the essence of the story to take a scene where Neal travels to Storybrooke to save Rumple, despite his anger, and not only faces his past with his father but also stands against two evil sorceresses armed with only a sword and come to the conclusion that it proves Neal is a coward because David is the one who throws himself in front of a fireball. Neal didn’t have to be there at all, but he stood his ground to protect his family even after David got thrown out the door. Neal moves to take action at the well, but Emma stops him. Rather than the obvious conclusion that Neal trusts Emma’s judgement, you conclude that it means he’s a coward hiding behind her. If he were a coward, he wouldn’t have been there let alone trying to move closer. You declared that Neal was a coward in New York for not helping August break the curse. As I pointed out, August never asked for Neal to help and Neal again didn’t run despite having an ideal chance. Now Neal is a coward because he didn’t do some manly duty to seek Emma out to tell her his side of the story?
Neal isn’t supposed to contact Emma so that she breaks the curse without distraction. That was his promise to August. By the time the curse is broken he’s already fallen under Tamara’s power. She’s found magic in our world before, so we can’t even rule out whether it’s emotional or magical manipulation. I also find “manly duty” to be rather an outdated and sexist notion. I can’t help but wonder what Emma’s womanly duty is after hearing that term. It seems no matter what Neal does you will declare him a coward for it anyways. LOL
Anyhow, I liked most of the episode pretty well… except the taser. I found dragons and wooden men dying by taser to be ridiculous. Watched with my mother, and we both found that bizarre. Very happy that Tamara is indeed HER. I called that one way back, so feels good. Plus, it actually makes me like her more for her to have a purpose beyond an annoying relationship obstacle.
August never asked for Neal to go to Storybrooke in that clip. August told Neal what he was doing and why. Neal wasn’t happy that his dad would be looking for him soon, but August offered up seeing Emma again soon as the bright side. Neal admitted that he didn’t think Emma would want to see him again. August said he’d send a postcard. Then Tamara targetted Neal because she’d seen him with August. It wasn’t like it was a scene where Neal was refusing to help when asked. If he were really a coward THAT moment would have been his signal to run instead of staying in one place and putting down more roots by getting engaged.
Sometimes I feel like the writers could give us a scene where Neal walked on water, but there would still be a forum post declaring, “Neal’s a coward, because he’s obviously afraid to swim.” 😆
@Swanning-Off wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I found it equally creepy that Greg told her that he doesn’t need towels because he air dries as a conversational opener. People don’t normally tell total strangers about walking around naked after showering.
Err…. I assumed he was referring to air drying the towels, not himself.
Letting a towel dry doesn’t stop it from needing to be changed with a little use, because they pick up dead skin cells, bacteria, etc. It’s a hygiene issue. Only way they really don’t need changing is if Greg doesn’t use them. Hence my conclusion that what he is air drying is himself.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I found it equally creepy that Greg told her that he doesn’t need towels because he air dries as a conversational opener. People don’t normally tell total strangers about walking around naked after showering.
I just chocked on my drink. Didn’t even think of that. Alright so Greg is pretty awkward.
Just imagine if it had turned out to be Granny in the room instead of Regina. With fodder like that her response would have been epic.
I don’t think Regina is really hitting on him in this scene. Her Evil Queen persona sounds and acts like that around everyone. While the scene definitely has a creepy factor I wouldn’t compare it with the creepy factor of Woody Allen. Regina knew Owen for a week over 28 years ago. He wasn’t staying under her roof or looking at her as a mother figure for years. She screwed up his life like she did to Hansel and Gretel, and then she moved on.
I found it equally creepy that Greg told her that he doesn’t need towels because he air dries as a conversational opener. People don’t normally tell total strangers about walking around naked after showering.
