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Ugh. I’m actually sort of disappointed that she’s good because I cannot stand the writing for her character :/ It’s not just her smug attitude, it’s how ineffectual she is at fixing anything. Rumple asks if there’s a curse? Whoops, going to -very- badly attempt to lie. Not to mention how emphatically she says that he will never reach Bae, except through the curse, when the characters keep discovering new ways to travel between realms and magic beans are accessible via. other realms. Nice job breaking it, hero. I hope that even if she’s firmly on the side of good, there is some larger, benign reason why she’s pushed events to occur the way they have, otherwise, she just comes off as an idiot.
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Yes nuanced I agree. But to many nuancess makes for one muddybrown mess of a pond/swanlake (sorry I think in images a lot)
I guess by nuanced, I just mean mixed ending for everybody. Like in Wicked (musical). There are characters you sympathize with more than others but in the end, everybody gets a suitable, not completely terrible, but not perfectly happy ending either. I love endings like that.
I’m hoping for nuanced, not entirely perfect endings for everybody, rather than happy endings for team good and horrible endings for team bad. That kind of conclusion tends to make me throw up a little.
I’d like to see both be redeemed, though I use that word rather cautiously. I don’t necessarily need them to turn into happy, saintly people who sew clothes for the poor and sing birds out of trees, and I also don’t need them to be broken people who wallow in the guilt of their past actions.
I’d like them (and for the most part all of the characters) to come to a place of peace, even if it’s not an absolutely perfect, wonderful, utopic ending. I don’t need to see one villain dragged down to the depths while everybody cheers and dances on their grave in order to feel satisfied with the ending. I tend not to see stories in terms of villains and heroes, but in terms of people who want different things who work together, against, or diagonally with each other at different points in time 🙂
I’d like Regina to put her obsessive, angry need for revenge aside, realize that she was wrong (a big one, as I don’t think I’ve really seen much of that from her yet), and develop some healthy relationships. Props to Daniel for telling her to “love again!”
I’d like Belle to lift Rumple’s curse, as I think it has some tangible affect on his free will, and I’d like him to find Bae and have some sort of closure with that, which does not necessitate that they have a big happy family with tons of step-siblings and barbecues. I don’t know how much of this stems from my shipping, and how much of it stems from what I consider a good story arc, but I want Rumple and Belle’s love to endure. This might be because I’m quite invested in the Beauty and the Beast aspect of their story, and I think that thematically, that fairytale necessitates that the Beast be redeemed by love. Additionally, they’ve thrown around the phrase “true love can break any curse” and for me to truly believe that, I want to see that it ends up being stronger than all the ramifications of Rumple’s curse and is ultimately strong enough to redeem the Dark One, which would be an amazing statement about the power of love. I would be quite sad if that storyline didn’t make it to endgame. It would diminish the “power of love” theme that the show keeps hammering on, in my mind.
I’d like him to stop needing magic as a crutch. He seems to know he’s a monster, he’s confessed that he’s a coward, and he’s expressed regret in the past, for example, in the scene with “Bae”/August. He does seem to be trying to change, but I think that he’s operated in monster-mode for so long that it’s his default reaction when he feels threatened or endangered (such as with Smee). Though, I will contend that from what we saw, he wasn’t particularly violent with Smee, who had just kidnapped and tried to mind-wipe Belle. Compared to DarkRumple who turned a man into a slug for accidentally skinning Bae’s knee, I see that as a small step forward. (My head canon says that he didn’t beat the snot out of Smee off-screen 🙂 ) I actually love the struggle they’re portraying with his character.
That is one key thing I’m missing with Regina’s arc… the closest thing we’ve gotten is the “I don’t know how to love very well” confession from her, but that doesn’t go far enough for me. Adam seemed to hint that Belle might confront Regina about locking her up and I’m -really- hoping for that confrontation. That will be a chance for Regina to show her true colors as far as her pathway to redemption!
Yup, I have a post over in “The Doctor” about how both Rumple and Regina were manipulated into their roles by another individual. Doesn’t absolve them of their choices and actions, but it certainly makes both their stories more tragic to me, at least.
Did Rumple fully realize what being the Dark One would entail? Probably not. Re-watching that scene, it’s striking how completely Zozo preys on his fear, panic, and adrenaline by goading him on, questioning Bae’s paternity, telling him that he would never have the courage to control the Dark One. And even before that Zozo finds him at his most desperate state, when all his other options are gone, and preys on his desperation. Also, it’s striking that Zozo gloats, “looks like you made a deal you didn’t understand.”
Given the absolute change in demeanor from that scene to the next, I’m fairly convinced that the curse exerts some sort of influence on the person it’s attached to. I imagine it’s similar to the Horucrux on Ron in Harry Potter, or the Ring, or Dexter’s Dark Passenger (I always seem to understand works through referencing other works 🙂 ) Yes, he still has free will, but his decision-making is severely compromised. If a redemption story is in the future for Rumple (which I hope), I imagine that the more specific mechanics of the “Dark One” curse will be revealed insofar as how deeply it affects/alters judgement and personality
Yup, I have a post over in “The Doctor” about how both Rumple and Regina were manipulated into their roles by another individual. Doesn’t absolve them of their choices and actions, but it certainly makes both their stories more tragic to me, at least.
Did Rumple fully realize what being the Dark One would entail? Not at all. He never planned to be the Dark One. Re-watching that scene, it’s striking how completely Zozo preys on his fear, panic, and adrenaline by goading him on, questioning Bae’s paternity, telling him that he would never have the courage to control the Dark One. This is still old Rumple, face-to-face with the most powerful and terrifying dark being known. Panic can completely cloud one’s judgement. And even before that Zozo finds him at his most desperate state, when all his other options are gone, and preys on his desperation. Also, it’s striking that Zozo gloats, “looks like you made a deal you didn’t understand.” I’m convinced that his later preference for deals and contracts stems from that moment. That scene is always such a tearjerker for me because no matter what his later actions were, it’s so clear from his reaction when he pulls out the dagger and sees his own name appear, that he in no way wanted to be the Dark One.
Given the absolute change in demeanor from that scene to the next, I’m fairly convinced that the curse exerts some sort of influence on the person it’s attached to. I imagine it’s similar to the Horucrux on Ron in Harry Potter, or the Ring, or Dexter’s Dark Passenger (I always seem to understand works through referencing other works 🙂 ) Yes, he still has free will, but his decision-making is severely compromised. If a redemption story is in the future for Rumple (which I hope), I imagine that the more specific mechanics of the “Dark One” curse will be revealed insofar as how deeply it affects/alters judgement and personality
I would be sad, but okay with that ending. I’d feel like my heart had been stomped in if he regresses into the worst of his Dark One persona, though.
Duh, of course. I completely forgot about that exchange. 🙄 Nevertheless, I’m eager to see how she’ll act when Snow and Emma do find their way back!
Also, following up on my previous comment, perhaps Regina feels like she’s sort of gotten what she wanted? Snow and Charming are separated, possibly forever, in her mind. Same for Emma and Henry. In a way, she’s gotten her revenge, even if the curse was broken. I wonder if redemption means that she’ll start helping Charming find a way to bring Emma and Snow back? That would be interesting.
