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I dont understand. How is this relevant to Peter Pan? And I’ve never seen Lost so I have no idea what those number are. Also I thought the clock stopped again when Rumple brang magic to SB, so how could it have stopped when Emma and Snow come back to SB if it never started again?

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I highly doubt it would be. I’ve always thought that Hook is Peter Pan. Especially when he talks about the Lost Boys as if they were his friends.

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Again, a character using theatrical, choreographed, verging on cartoonish means to kill/harm another character is NOT the same thing as watching a ‘man’ beat a woman into unconsciousness.

To be honest, I really dont see the difference. It doesn’t matter how they harm or kill a person, you are taking a life. The technique/style you use does not count, it doesnt change the fact that you are harming someone.

If my father or husband abused me and/or my kids….no, he WOULD NOT be redeemable.

Thats exactly what i said- if it happened in real life it would be completely different, there is no way the abuser would be forgiven. However it is a TV SHOW! Its not real! So anything can happen.

Using such a realistic means to portray a character and/or their frame of mind puts him on the same level as a loser abusive husband/boyfriend/father.

Again, I understand what you mean. But I will say this again, it is a TV show so anything can happen. If a woman who rips out hearts and crushes them and kills her own father etc. can be redeemed, then so can Hook. BUT if this happened in real life then there is no way they can be redeemed or forgiven. It just doesnt work that way, but in a TV show it can.

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Now that you put it that way, i completely understand what you mean. It is very wrong for people to make excuses for him because he is “hot”.

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Please, do tell; What Regina and Rumple did that was worse then hitting and try to kill a defenseless women simply because she was useless to them?

Very well.
Ripping out hearts and crushing them. Rumple killing Milah right in front of Hook (I dont care if she was his wife, that was no excuse). Regina pretty much using Graham as a slave only because she felt lonely. Rumple killing Cinderellas fairy god mother just so he could take her baby for god knows what. Regina killing her own father just to cast the curse. Rumple taking Belle from her family and using her as a servant, as well as keeping her locked up like an animal. Regina locking up Belle the entire time they were in SB, so she could kill her when it would suit her.
And I can keep going but it would take WAY too long.
Now Hook:
Punching Belle and almost killing her. Ripping out Auroras heart but giving it back to Mulan.

Compared to Regina and Rumple, Hook doesn’t sound so bad to me, but that is just my opinion. I do believe that Hook can be and will be redeemed.

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Maybe that means that Hook is no longer a pirate since he is now in SB. Maybe now he has changed to fit in- as in changing his clothes etc. But i am positive that he is not killed and will most likely never be killed. They are not going to build up this character and show his backstory, only to have him killed. It just doesnt make sense.

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So please, enough of the “poor Hook and I understand why he did it” stuff. Any woman that has ever been abused at the hands of a male would have cringed at that scene.

I just got out of a 2 yr relationship where i was constantly abused. However, that doesn’t mean that i “cringed at that scene” , i didn;t like what he did but it is for entertainment. I agree that what he did was wrong and if this had happened in real life, then it is unforgivable. However this is a fantasy TV show so anything can happen.

So please, enough of the “poor Hook and I understand why he did it” stuff

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I agree that there is no real excuse for Hook to harm Belle. But what i dont agree with is how people seem so focused on what Hook did, but dont care what Regina and Rumple have done. In my opinion, i think that Regina and Rumple are worse than Hook and have done way worse stuff and caused more pain. Some people say that Hook cant be redeemed, and yet Regina and Rumple can be redeemed despite causing worse harm and pain than Hook.

That flashback was when Hook was in full mode revenge. It was to show his history and how Milah’s death had affected and changed him.

Redemption is fine for people that show remorse, accept responsibility for their actions, truly see how despicable their actions were and truly wish to turn over a new leaf. Hook is not one of them.

I disagree. People can be redeemed by LOVE. Regina wants to become a better person for Henry and Rumple wants to be better for Belle. Not once did Regina show remorse for what she did to Snow or for any harm she has caused to others, and that the same for Rumple. Hook is already beginning to fall for Emma- which will eventually turn into love. that will cause him to change and redeem himself.

I do understand where you are coming from and I understand why you feel that way. But it is just a TV show, if this happened in real life then it would be a different story. So if Rumple and Regina can redeem themselves, then i am 100% certain that Hook can too.

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That scene, in 2X09, does not allow for any redemption. He hit and was ready to kill a human just because they were useless to him. No matter which way you try to spin it, it is non-justified violence

Just because he was going to kill someone who was useless doesnt mean he cant be redeemed. And he is a villian, what do you expect? For Hook to to ask Belle, ‘Ok please dont tell anyone I asked you this’ and then just walk off.
He is a villian now, but he will be redeemed in the future.

In comparison, I doubt Rumple and Regina go about their day killing random peasant simply because they will make no use of them

Oh, ok, so that makes it fine then that they killed people because they had a purpose for it. It is perfectly ok for Rumple to kill Milah because he was angry at her, and it was ok that Regina killed her own father just to cast the curse! Thats not even a reason to say he cant be redeemed! Also what about what Regina did to Graham. That was perfectly ok for Regina to control him like that because she was feeling lonely.

All the characters were redeemed out of LOVE. Hook has already developed a soft side for Emma, which will only continue to become stronger. This will force him to make the decision to either let go of the past or let go of Emma.

I just don’t understand how some people say that what Hook did was terrible and he cant be redeemed, but Regina and Rumple are saints and can be redeemed.

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I wonder if Emma using magic will come at a price though..? I wonder if she’ll take the chance that something could happen to Henry.

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I think thats possible, but Emma will have to be careful because her magic and power could take over her. I think Regina and Gold will eventually deicde to teach her. But I also think that she will try to test it out for herself first because shes not the type to go asking for help.
However this is the start for Emma- you cant just learn magic overnight, it takes time. But i think she’ll be the one who overthrows Cora and send everyone back to FTL.
It will be interesting though when everyone teams up against Cora, even those who hate each other, including Snow and Regina, and even Rumple and Hook.

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Hook definately threw that fight. He even stuck his sword in the sand to grab her leg, when he could’ve just stabbed her with it.
I think he was trying to make the fight fair, which is what he said to Mulan and Emma that he likes a “fair fight”.
I think it’s pretty obvious that Emma is already distracting Hook from his revenge. Because if he was really set on his revenge, then he would have just quickly killed Emma (which he had the chance) and kill Mulan and Snow, grab the compass and jump in the portal. But instead he decided to tease Emma and flirt with her. Its like she brings him to life again, because when he is not with her, you can see that his eyes are dead looking- theres little emotion.
And I love the bean metaphor! The bean turned out to be all he needed- just like Emma will be.

This episode pretty much confirmed Captain Swan!

It’ll be interesting though when Emma and Hook meet in SB again. I wonder what Charmings’ reaction will be when he sees how Hook and Emma interect.

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