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My first reaction was that it did have to do with blood and death, but then I realized that “bleeding through” has a much different connotation. Perhaps worlds are starting to bleed through? That one can touch another? Perhaps this is the episode when present day SB and FTL meet? I don’t know………I don’t like the title, lol, mostly because “bleeding” gets to me, lol
I suspect this is a Regina centric……..Jane tends to write hers lately, when she writes for ONCE at all, and given the casting…….
[adrotate group="5"]I’m not going to get into comparing loves – romantic and parental love are different and Gold loves Belle just as much as he loves Neal and he’s shown that many times.
Also, I’m sorry, but that’s actually incorrect. Gold didn’t bring Belle back so she could die as herself – in fact, he wasn’t going to bring her back because he didn’t want Belle to wake up just to die. He brought her back because he needed her, which is what he told her. As Bobby has said many times, Belle is Gold’s anchor, his emotional center….and he loves her more than life itself. He brought her back because he was scared and lonely – and he needed to feel loved again and to love, before he died.
We already saw after Belle was restored and SB was not going to explode that Gold seemed relatively ok. I’m not saying he wasn’t shattered, of course he was, but before he knew Henry was gone, he was arm in arm with Belle. Belle was there for him and she would have been there for him in his grief had he not had to leave for NL. I think actually if she died, Gold would have a harder time because as much as he loves Neal, Neal could not comfort him and support him the way Belle could; his son is not his rock, not the one who always believed in him.
Gold has paid the price over and over and over again; he’s suffered immensely.
Zoso was a truly evil person and he wanted Rumple to take on the curse…………he wanted someone to take it on, he didn’t care about ending the evil by killing himself. Gold knew he was killing himself (as a person and as DO) when he stabbed himself – I firmly believe that. In TMD, he was dying of the poison and he told Emma/Neal that “at least the cursed power” will die with me (or something like that). As long as he died and no one else became DO, the power was going.
That’s not really my point, though. Point is: either have Gold be dead and leave it at that or have him be alive, really alive. I realize I have to take Eddy’s comments (which make no sense really) with a huge grain of salt because, sorry, the guy says stupid things all the time.
Oh and this: Gold died a hero – do we really think anyone is going to remember that at the beginning of S3B except for Belle and Bae? No one will care about his sacrifice, they’ll just pretend as if he never existed. That’s what will happen with this death in S4……
Nessa: If it’s Neal that dies, I don’t think Rumbelle won’t truly be happy, but of course there would be holes in their hearts that could never truly heal…….
I just don’t want to see Rumbelle have a happy ending off-screen unless we get to sometimes see them happy on; that would pretty much infuriate me. I honestly don’t think Adam/Eddy like Rumbelle……I used to think they did to some extent, but I’m so tired of their act.
This might seem like heresy, but (and keep in mind that I’m upset with the show, that my heart will ALWAYS be with Rumbelle):
S1 was magical, romantic, fantastical…….it was FUN. ONCE now is like an ordinary show; what once distinguished it no longer does. All A/E care about his bringing on as many characters as possible.
I think I’d take S1 back and deal with no Rumbelle…….. I mean, we don’t get Rumbelle anyway, so I would erase SD as if it never existed or I’d just have Regina really kill her. It breaks my heart to say this, but I HATE seeing Belle in storyline Siberia and seeing Rumbelle suffer (appropriately) the Groundhog Day of fates: separation after separation after separation. Every day for them is like February 2nd.
Yes, no SD means no gorgeous redemption arc for Gold, but they were never planning that anyway……..at least not at that point. Belle was made a regular because she was so popular – and Rumbelle was an overnight sensation – not because Adam/Eddy intended it. At the time Em was made a regular, I loved their flexibility in changing the story, but now I see that they are far more rigid than I thought. Belle is ignored by everyone not named Gold or Archie, her sufferings don’t count (no A/E, we fans have NOT forgotten that you have NOT allowed her to at least confront Hook and Regina) and she’s just……there. Frankly, at times I wish Belle were not a regular; they could bring her back as often as they needed her – and if Em was unavailable or unable to, so be it.
Well Marty, if he’s really dead and being used like that, the show is over for me……that’s disgusting.
He’d better be alive, really alive……….If he’s even partly dead, in any way (which I find impossible to believe), then he needs (I’m sorry to say) to be really dead. It’s unfair to him, it’s just a sick thing and…….. no, I don’t want Belle with a dead man.
That said, I don’t think he’s dead no matter what Eddy said.
My post, by the way, had nothing to do with the events in Going Home. I was talking in general and making the assumption that Gold is alive.
I’d change the way Belle is horribly treated on the show, as if she’s not a person with feelings, as if she actually has a voice.
1) It’s unforgivable how Hook and Regina have gotten away with the ***** they did to her. I despise them and will always do so. I will be forever angry at Adam and Eddy for denying Belle the right to confront these two
2) I would stop having the Charmings look right through her – same goes for Emma. I used to want Belle to be friends with them, but no way now. I want Belle to have people who care about her, aside from Gold.
3) Get this girl on the SCREEN; she’s a fabulous character – intelligent, clever, brave, kind, compassionate…….and doesn’t take *** from anyone even so.
I’d stop separating Rumbelle. I would recognize their huge potential and their incredibly beautiful storyline and I’d write them a story that would have them together, facing lifes ups and downs. MORE romance, more screentime. Bobby and Emilie are remarkable; I’d use them as much as possible until the show ends.
I can’t jump to that sort of conclusion. It seems random to just say S4 is the last season and while I don’t think ONCE will go past S5 (because I’m assuming ratings will fall in S4), I’m also not ready to proclaim that next is the last. As a result, I can’t possibly say that the death is superfluous. If ratings are not good in S4, then I think ABC (who likes Adam/Eddy and I think really like the show) would give A/E the courtesy of a 13 episode order for the 2nd half of that season so that they could wrap up their story.
In any case, I honestly doubt that however long the show goes that the characters will be given a lot of time to work through it. The death will happen and then, S4, everything will be the same. Frankly, the only character who I think would be affected enough by a death to have it affect him long-term story wise is Gold. I’m only considering Hook/Belle/Bae, of course – the others are safe as far as I’m concerned. They enjoy making Gold suffer, so to me it only makes sense that Belle or Bae would ie………and if it’s Belle, they can have Gold go off the deep end like they really want (I don’t necessarily mean evil stuff, I mean he’d have a breakdown…..).
Let’s say it’s Bae that dies, ok Gold would be shattered, but he’d have Belle…..but it would still give Bobby great stuff (and possibly Emilie, depending on if the writers actually allow them to share the screen at the same time). Can you really see ONCE spending any time in the next season showing Emma and Henry grieving? The death would rock them until the end of this season, but S4 – yeah, they might be sad at times, but mostly I’ve no doubt that they’d act as if everything was the same… mostly because Adam/Eddy don’t care about things like this. We’d get some stupid new villain and no one would have time to breathe and react.
I added some more to my post, but yeah – that’s why I think it’s logical for Belle to die. However, it also makes no sense since they brought her on due to insane popularity. Forget about whether Disney would allow them to kill her…….if they did, Belle fans would be devastated and so would Rumbelle fans……and those fans already on the edge of leaving would be pushed right over.
Eddy joked at CC (or Paley?) about all the twitter Rumbelle fans he wouldn’t hear from if they didn’t reunite (or get their HE, whatever)…….so he and Adam know that destroying them would give a huge body blow to their show.
Ugh, it’s so frustrating. I don’t want Belle to die, I don’t want Rumbelle to die, I don’t really think she will…….but on the other hand, it kills me to see Emilie being wasted,. Belle (a fab character) being wasted and Rumbelle…..well, they’re not even Rumbelle (more like Rum and Belle) because they’re never together. A part of me would love it if Emilie just walked into their writing room and said “I’m leaving”………stunning them. They love her, but that’s of little consequence when they don’t show it. Still, Em stayed on LOST and she was poorly used there – I don’t see this happening.
My question would be, why kill off a main character? If the actor wanted to leave the show, why not give their character a happy ending going off into the sunset? Either way there is going to be a backlash over who dies because several parts of fandom prefer certain characters over others. Yes a death gets everyone talking but why not kill off one of the beloved supporting characters to show the audience that the villain means business? Red could be killed off which would not only explain Red’s absence from the show but she’s beloved enough for her death to show the villain is evil. In Downton Abbey, the only reason Matthew Crawley was killed off was because his actor wanted to leave and do other things, and STORYWISE it wouldn’t have made sense for Matthew to willingly not be around for Mary and his newborn son. I presume if an actor did want to leave, they have to give notice to allow their exit to be worked into the story. So was the death planned from the start of 3A? The middle of 3A? During the hiatus? Also theoretically, any of the adult characters could up and leave whenever they wanted so why not give them their happy ending instead of killing them off causing backlash. Henry is the only character that can’t really up and leave because he’s only 12. Therefore if Jared Gilmore did want to leave, there is only one way Henry would be able to go. Child characters are notorious for changing their appearances during shows runs, however normally, the child character is not a big part of the show whereas in Once Henry is a big part so theoretically if Jared Gilmore did want to leave, how would they deal with that other than to kill him off.
How can you give them a happy ending if that character is part of a ship? Neal’s Happy Ending is with Emma and Henry……..they’re not leaving. Belle’s HE is with Gold………he’s not leaving (unless the show continues past 5 seasons and Bobby decides he’s had enough). Hook is different – he could leave and return. I know he has strong feelings for Emma, but I don’t know that he’s really in love, that she is his or even if that matters since Emma is not ready for a relationship now anyway.
Killing a main character has far more impact than killing a side character who is rarely seen. IF this person really wanted to leave and made it clear, then I can see killing the character. If it was someone like Emilie, who wants to leave because she simply needs more work (and isn’t unhappy with the show and would still love to appear on it), then I would hope they’d NOT kill her off (in Emilie’s case, they should keep Belle alive in case she does want to return- or can – so that they can possibly do more Rumbelle). Now if this is for storyline purposes only, well “dead is dead” and it has far more resonance than someone just leaving (and they can’t leave SB anyway……..not without losing memories).
As to Belle, RG, there’s a lot to tell in FB, but the writers don’t want to do that. She’s more than just Gold’s girlfriend; she had a life, and I’d like to see her pre-Rumple life. Plus, there is still a lot they can show in the DC (like the time post-library, when their friendship developed and post-curtain scene pre-bravery talk, when IMO, their obvious feelings for each other must have made their friendship awkward). The fact that the writers don’t want to tell Belle’s sotry is the reason why it makes the most sense to kill her….they have no interest in her story, it would give Bobby much to play and frankly they probably weren’t going to give Rumbelle their HEA anyway. Bobby probably wouldn’t be happy, but he’s a professional – he’d probably give some of his best work. I don’t want Belle killed for a million reasons and I don’t really think it’s her (some reasons relating to Disney – some, but not all), but it really is the most logical thing. I really hate for her to be on this show and basically be dead anyway – that’s what she is as a character, which pains me because she’s an amazing character. Poor thing has zilch to do
RumplesGirl wrote: So maybe the death was pre-planned but the RELEASING of this spoiler is baffling unless you’re looking at marketing.
The spoiler got released when it did because the PA tweeted about having heard that someone was gonna die. Once that info was out there, Adam and Eddy had no choice but to confirm or deny it officially. I do think they’d have released the spoiler before S3B started anyway, but they probably would have saved it for an ad campaign that would have launched maybe a couple of weeks before the show comes back. Just enough time to get people, (the general viewership who see the TV promos, not just the online fandom) worked up about it and generate some momentum to hopefully boost the ratings for the first ep back. I can just imagine the promo, dramatic music, “Before the season is over…one…will…diiiiieeee,” with dramatic individual shots of the cast and each one fades to black. But they got beaten to the punch when the PA tweeted about it.
I don’t think it’s the same person, I just don’t…….. I don’t believe that any of the major actors would be that unhappy as to make his or her misery blatatnly obvious to everyone nor do I think they’d leave their trailers like a trash heap. I don’t think it’s the same person, frankly……..
Back to some older posts, RG, I agree – this is a huge black cloud hanging over the season. I think it was a terrible mistake to release this. Yeah, you want people to talk about your show, but you want them to be EXCITED AND HAPPY for it’s return, especially when you’re already losing viewers at a rapid rate. This sort of manipulation of the fans tends to turn them off.
Jenna, I don’t think it’s an unhappy person who’s leaving, but let’s say it is. I can only really speak for Emilie, but she was extremely underutilized on LOST and she never left. Her character was written out for 1 season, but eventually came back. I DO at times (even now) wish that she would leave because she’s an actress – she should work and – but of course I want what she wants. She’s clearly extremely happy being on the show; she adores Belle, ADORES Rumbelle and loves Bobby….I think if she wanted to leave, A/E would find a way to send Belle away without killing her, without ending the Rumbelle story, in case Em wanted to return. They love her, even if they don’t love Belle.
There are plenty of people who don’t think Hook’s a hero……I don’t, I don’t even like his arc (I don’t buy it). I think his death would make far less of an impact than Belle or Bae, the only two other people I can see dying. So, if it’s for story purposes, it has to be either of these two…..anything to make Gold suffer more.
RG, I completely agree – and you know that has been a HUGE sticking point with me. Characters don’t interact unless it relates to the major storyline……. I’ve said it before, but A/E treat these fairy tale characters too much like FT characters (in that they have to interact with others in their particular tales, have to interact with magical beings, etc..) and NOT enough like human beings.
Seriously – why the heck go to Oz? Gold’s curse at this point ? Break it – I mean, they broke the original curse because they didn’t want the show to become only about that…..and I LOVED their guts in doing that. Gold has changed, what is the point of the curse now? Just to give them thrills at seeing the WW controlling him so they can still write him doing bad things without it being his fault? Why not deal with the ramifications of his mortality? Don’t they understand how HUGE the storyline potential is there?
S1 was magical, it was fun – it was full of romance, fantasy and adventure. Since then, ONCE has become just like every other show…and yes, I think A/E are like hyperactive boys. They have an amazing premise and they want to use every fictional character they can get their hands on.
I really thought and hoped that, after NL, they’d stick to SB and let things breathe, let the town return to normal, focus on relationships…….Nope. In the end, I think the lack of humanity on the show, the focus on story instead of character, will sink this show
