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Well since I haven’t been sleeping thought I’d get this done for you tonight RG
You did this? Wow………. It’s amazing!
[adrotate group="5"]betsypaige24 wrote: Um, I thought Lumiere was BEAST’s pal?
Traditionally, but I think A and E are mixing it up this round. I wonder if Lumiere is at Belle’s castle not the DO castle
Anything not to give us Rumbelle in any form………If the above is true, then we get zilch Rumbelle at all.
The idea of Ariel and Eric getting married when they barely have a relationship is so annoying, especially when Rumbelle is always apart and probably won’t ever get married
Wonderful……no doubt WW is connected to Gold as well as Regina. If she’s his child by Cora, I will throw up……….and that would be the last straw for me with this show
Um, I thought Lumiere was BEAST’s pal?
Nothing on Rumbelle…….
No WAY is that wedding for Rumbelle,.. UGH
Cinders wrote: Seriously, sorry, but I really see her as always voicing Rumples positive traits that are overshadowed by his self doubt. She nurtures his goodness that is overshadowed by his dark side. She reminds him of his bravery when he tells us over and over that he’s a coward. I know Belle will search for and find Rumple. In whatever state he’s in, if it’s negative, weak, doubting, dark, I hope she walks away. I hope she yells at him, scolds him and walks away. She’s tended to his doubts long enough. She’s been there for him. If he wants to be alone, then fine, I hope she walks away. “If you want me to believe in you, try believing in yourself.
I completely disagree. Rumple has self-esteem issues, he always worries that the people he loves will leave him, and until Belle he had no reason to think that wouldn’t happen because every person he loved in the past left him. He’s started to overcome that, started to believe that Belle won’t leave him and that they’ll have a future together. Rumple sacrificed to save Bae and Belle and you’re seriously wanting Belle to leave Rumple when she finds him? Seriously? Belle and Rumple are supposed to be true love, if she leaves him, just because he’s not his normal self when she finds him then that is an enormous disservice to Belle’s character.
If she finds him strong, loving and kind, then that’s different. But if he wants to venture off on another adventure alone, I hope she says “enough! I’m gone. I’m off on my own adventure. I may or may not want you when I’m done”. It’s been a very long hiatus. And I’d just love to hear Belle scream her guts out at him. Maybe because I’m mad at Rumple for Belle. For leaving her crumpled in the middle of the street. Mad that she’s going back to Enchanted Forest, her fate sealed in a curse he helped create.
I completely disagree. It wasn’t Rumple’s fault that, in order to save Belle and Bae from Pan, he had to sacrifice himself. Pan made it clear that he was going to kill Bae and Belle because of their meaning to Rumple. Rumple did the brave thing by sacrificing himself. Given the choice I’m sure he would’ve preferred to live happily with Belle, unfortunately he had no choice in the matter. Rumple did what he had to do in order to save Belle. Also Rumple left Belle behind in Storybrooke because he wanted to keep her safe from Pan. At that point in time, he believed he was going to die in Neverland and he didn’t want Belle to have to witness that. He had no idea that Pan would find his way to Storybrooke where Belle was. Belle would never leave Rumple just because he’s not himself. They’re true love.
Ah, I completely agree, POM!
It’s not like he said “hey Belle, I’m going off to sow my wild oats; stay here and wait for me, however long that takes”. He’d do anything to protect Belle, he loves her so much that it’s painful. You can’t order people to believe in themselves, you can only encourage them (and he’s had a lifetime of hurt that would explain his self-doubt, not to mention the fact that he hates himself for his past). In NL, Pan tried to use Belle against him andyet ironically it was that that led to his epiphany. Gold chose to fight for his future, for his survival……fought against the prophecy, and that was brave. He believed that Belle would succeed in finding the box, he’s always believed in her……..and so now she’s not supposed to believe in him?
Her getting mad about him making a sacrifice makes NO sense and would ruin Belle completely for me. I can’t even conceive of such a thing.
As to getting mad about his poor choices, I’d like to add that he didn’t ask her to fall in love with him. She knew about his past, knew about his reputation and still saw through that. Here’s a lovely, wonderful video of Emilie explaining about Belle’s love for Gold:
Anyway, here are wonderful Rumbelle GIFs……
betsypaige24 wrote: 1) Focus on Rumbelle together, focus on the ramifications of his curse breaking. He’s mortal now – that’s a huge deal in terms of his relationship. He’s much older physically than Belle………All this stuff. Is he physically ok? I could see him worrying about marrying her and potentially dying much earlier than she, leaving her by herself..possibly with children.
And I want that too. And this is why I’d be REALLY ok if Rumple and Belle have nothing to do with the big bad coming in 3B. Like they just have their own little side adventure and come back after the big bad has been defeated, I am A-OK with that.
I would LOVE that…….LOVE that!
I agree, Angie. I thought we’d see that when she was working on opening the library, but that all went to pieces post Child of the Moon when she basically disappeared until the Outsider……and, well, the rest is history. I don’t even NEED Belle to have a huge arc, but show her interacting with people……please! I have always wanted Belle to open the library as sort of a community center, sort of a focal point for social activitiese. It would give her a chance to interact with people and to do something for the town – that’s just like Belle. Plus this show needs to be grounded a little bit more in reality……seeing Henry and others occasionally popping into the library would be wonderful……. This is a huge issue with the show actually and not just with Belle. We never see characters interact anymore unless it has to do with the BIG STORY. In season 1, we got lovely smaller moments all the time.
IF and when Rumbelle is ever reunited at the end of S3, there are two things I want to see:
1) Focus on Rumbelle together, focus on the ramifications of his curse breaking. He’s mortal now – that’s a huge deal in terms of his relationship. He’s much older physically than Belle………All this stuff. Is he physically ok? I could see him worrying about marrying her and potentially dying much earlier than she, leaving her by herself..possibly with children.
2) Belle at least shown outside of the relationship even if it’s not some huge arc.
I just really feel sorry for Emilie. I know she’s happy so maybe I shouldn’t, but god, she’s such a fantastic actress …….I wish she had more to do.
I don’t understand walking away from someone you love because they are insecure and have doubts. I suppose if someone loved me like Belle loves Gold, I would deserve to be walked away from? (This applies to anyone else). Yelling at someone to either feel better about themselves or they’ll leave? Ouch………. That’s just not how things work.
Belle should be angry at Gold for sacrificing his life for her and Bae? For saving the town? If he had used magic instead to fight Pan, the battle would have been ongoing, neverending…..and who’s to say Belle and Bae wouldn’t have been killed anyway?
I’m not sure what adventure you’re referring to that he went off on without her. To find Bae? At the end of the Outsider, he had learned that he truly wanted Belle to be his partner with him in every way, he wanted her to go with him – badly – but she couldn’t.
I have no interest in seeing Belle become a screaming haridan for no reason other than that she can treat Gold like a whipped puppy. What’s so appealing about seeing Belle treat him like that? IMO, they are partners and always will be……..and that’s how I want it to always be.
I can see we’re not on the same page or in the same book, so I will respectfully agree to disagree and leave it there.
I respect your opinion Cinders, but I couldn’t disagree more. Why should she walk away from the man she desperately loves? It’s not HIS fault that Adam and Eddy, pardon my French, crap on her. He does as much as he can to encourage her, always has. In the Croc, he gave her the keys to a library – she couldn’t leave town, but she could have her adventures, she could learn, explore.
To me (and this won’t happen, IMO), having her walk away from Gold for no reason (she sort of did this in the Croc anyway) short of “I have to find myself” is unrealistic. You can have a loved one in your life and still have your own identity; all she’d be doing would be making herself miserable (because she would be; why would she want to avoid him) and making him miserable.
It’s not necessary for Rumbelle to not exist in order for Belle to have an identity – it’s necessary to have good writers who care. I have zero hope for Belle or Rumbelle and so I’m not excited in the least about S3B.
Stelio Kontos wrote: I think Belle’s lack of screen time just goes back to what the original plan was for her character. The fact that she’s even still around was moe than what they had planned for. The thing is we’re already two season past that and quite frankly the writers do need to get on the ball here and do a better job integrating Belle into the way the story is being told. With Rumple “gone” this is the perfect time to make some strides with her character and integrate her better with the rest of the main cast. She seems like too much of an outsider right now but hopefully that will change. I really want to see how she gets along with Bae if they don’t have those two developing some kind of relationship that would be incredibly disappointing.
It is the perfect time to integrate Belle more. She and Snow have a lot in common and I think they’d make good buddies. If Ariel can ever come back, I’d love to see more AriBelle and AriSnowBelle. If Belle and Neal aren’t BFFs by the time they get back to SB, I’d going to be mad. But, I’m going to sound a bit like Betsy (I say that with love), I am very nervous that A and E will ignore that this is integration time. Belle and Nealfire FOR SURE but with anyone else….Idk. They should but the question is will they.
Stelio, agreed! God, I want Belle/Bae bonding and have for a dog’s age………..that might be why they made it seem as if Bae/Belle already liked each other (obviously Gold must have told him about Belle – and of course Bae remembered her from the phone call – and I suppose Ariel told Belle Bae was alve), so that they could start to bond relatively quickly so that when Gold died, they’d already be pretty close. These two were practically side by side all the time in Going Home – at the cemetary (loved the look between them) and in the shop, when Belle touched him. Perhaps this indicates they will grow truly close in S3B……I’ve always felt that Bae could use a real friend AND a maternal figure in his life and Belle has always been devoted to him.
I admit I used to want SnowBelle, but I’ve been done with that for a long time given how poorly Snow (and everyone in her family) treats Belle. I actually thought Charm Belle had a shot, but after Child of the Moon, nope – that went downhill fast. I used to want EmBelle, but nope, not now. I adore ArchBelle (Archie/Belle) and GrumpBelle, but those two gents aren’t seen THAT often…..
LOL don’t worry RG, you can use me as a touchstone for when you are nervous.
I do disagree about Dark Hollow…….. I think that was a wonderful scene and very realistic. No matter what Belle said at the docks, I think she was very worried about Gold not returning. I loved how that entire episode showed her vulnerability and insecurities, but also her strength. In the diner scene, we saw how much she missed Gold……I adored that.
Yes BelleFire better be a thing by the time Rumple show up again or I’ll be right there with you. I mean maybe they’re hinting that they’ll develop them more after how Pan singled them out in the finale. The best part for me of the “villain’s don’t get happy endings” scene for me was when he tells the two most important people in his life how much they mean to him. He defeated his cowardice and protected them, and it was Belle who gave him the strength to be the good man that Bae always wanted him to be
Yes, and sigh, when he gazed at Belle for as long as he could before he had to move on to the confrontation…..ugh, I melted. He couldn’t even say that Belle would be happy without him because to do so would be to diminish the remarkable strength and power of their True Love. Parents are always having to let their children go to some extent to live their lives, so he knew Bae could find his own personal happiness……but Belle, poor Belle, he knows how much she loves him.
betsypaige24 wrote: I hate to say this, I really do, but she is a plot device. Unlike some Belle fans, I’ve never had a problem with her being part of Gold’s storyline, furthering his redemption arc – I’ve found it beautiful and gorgeous how she loves and supports him, how her faith in him gives him faith in himself. The problem is that she’s stuffed in a hospital or otherwise disappears into some dark corner of SB until she’s needed.
I actually agree with you. While Emilie is a great actress, I think that Belle’s role is really to serve as Rumple’s moral center. But like you I don’t have a huge problem with that. Belle is my favorite Disney princess, but here on ONCE, while I do LOVE Belle and LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Rumbelle, this iteration of Belle isn’t my favorite. I’m ok with her being tied to Gold. But yes it is a matter of expectation vs reality. Even if her whole character is just “Rumple’s TL” they need to start developing that outside of speeches and quick romantic gestures like dressing him in the shop.
This! Beauty and the Beast is undoubtedly my favorite Disney movie, and Belle my favorite princess. One thing that makes me a little upset about the OUAT version of Belle is that they pretty much have free reign over the Disney incarnations and one of the best parts about Disney’s Belle is her ability to stand up to the Beast and put him…and pretty much anyone else in their place. She was incredibly supportive and loving but knew when “tough love” was necessary. OUAT’s Belle tends to lack that – she shows her unending support and holds her own against Rumple but it’s more….maybe passive aggressive? For lack of a better word? And she has an insane ability to forgive and forget. Which is why I think we haven’t, and won’t see OUAT Belle say anything to Regina and Hook. Or anyone else who does her wrong. She focuses on forgiving and forgetting – an endearing and equally frustrating quality.
Actually, Belle has stood up to Rumple/Gold several times, so I don’t agree: Skin Deep, she walked out. Broken, she walked out. Croc, she walked out (but basically I thought she was completely out of character in the Croc; nevermind her escaping through a window without leaving a note, but in the mine scene, she treated Gold the same way she treated the father who tried to erase her identity). After that, she’s basically been a non-entity on the show. We saw her briefly in Child of the Moon, barely in episode 8 or 9 (I forget, but it’s the one where Hook tried to kill her in FTL) and then in the Outsider….. She then didn’t make an appearance until the finale (not counting Lacey because that wasn’t her).
What has Belle forgiven/forgotten that she shouldn’t? Milah? I’m fine with that. Why should she hold onto anger about something that (a) he’s clearly remorseful about and (b) happened 300 years ago and (c) it didn’t happen to her. What exactly would be the point of holding that against him? He can’t do anything about it now……no matter how much he regrets it. She knows who he is, has always seen that he has this wonderful, great heart. The only point in not forgiving/forgetting this would be to cause him pain…… and for what? If you’re referring to Maurice beating, assuming they discussed this, we don’t know she forgave him right away, but considering what her *** father tried to do to her, I’m pretty sure she would have understood why Gold would have believed that he drove her to suicide. He was a desperate, broken man when the chipped cup was stolen and frankly he had a nervous breakdown…he wasn’t in his right mind.
Unfortunately, we saw Belle standing next to Regina in Gold’s shop in Going Home and also showing concern when she fainted. I don’t blame Belle, I blame Adam and Eddy for not giving a crap about her. I don’t think the Belle that I see on the show has forgiven or forgotten what Hook and Regina did, but because they won’t allow her her moment, it might come off like that. I dislike SOOO much of what these two have done.
RG, this is why it would be ok with me if they made Belle a recurring character……She’s not someone they intend to ever give any screen time to and Rumbelle is, despite the gloriousness of their love story and their insane popularity, low ship on the totem pole. Hence, the constant separations. If they try to separate them AGAIN after their next reunion, I think they will lose many viewers who are barely holding on now. If they don’t, then they must given them storylines together. What saddens me is that Bobby and Emilie have the most extraordinary chemistry, and it’s being wasted. Whether this show has 1 more season or multiple seasons left, their time together is limited and I feel like at the end of the show (if I make it), I will be left with a ton of regrets. I can’t think of another show that would have wasted such potential.
As it stands, it would be nice if Belle could actually take an active role in things………have a neat little storyline arc about her shattered life without Gold and how she eventually discovers he’s alive (or believes it) and goes to find him. That would make sense, but I just doubt we’ll see it.
WR, have it your way, lol – just remember I didn’t say that.
Oh and while Roland is cute, there have been plenty of adorable kids on the show….personally I favor baby Rumple
I have no idea who Rumple is. Frankly, I would prefer it if he were sent somewhere where he was pre-curse Rumple and Belle would somehow find him. Naturally spinner Rumple would fall in love with her…..Sigh, but then how would he get his memories back?
If Gold and Belle are going to be in the same world for an extended period, that implies that they aren’t in the same world initially…….no idea what this means, lol
