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I’ve never seen the B& B Disney movie, but that seems to be everyone’s wish.
To be honest, the only way I can see that happening is if it’s some fantasy sequence of Rumple’s or Belle’s…….I’d LOVE to see a fantasy within a flashback, lol
[adrotate group="5"]betsypaige24 wrote: That’s unfortunate, I think…though I LOVED Dark Hollow and thought it gave incredible insight into Belle. I just chalk that up to AC and not KV…… To be fair, I did like Into the Deep and Lost Girl………maybe I’m giving too much credit to AC and not enough to KV?
Actually surprised that Chambliss isn’t co-writing. But we’ll just have to wait and see how it stands up I guess. Tiny and SB&T are two of my least favorite episodes, but Lost Girl and the SB stuff of Dark Hollow were decent.
He also wrote The New Neverland alone, so for some reason they are being separated?
The only parts of Dark Hollow I didn’t LOVE (not that I hated them) were Snowing and the Neal/Emma /Hook stuff (but that’s on Adam and Eddy, who presumably conceived of the idea of David getting poisoned and this silly triangle). Dark Hollow was a fabulous episode for Belle and for Rumbelle…….Lost Girl was good, too, and I did love the “Rumbelle” moments.
My guess is Kalinda is the new Belle writer for the Season, in the same vein David H. Goodman has become the Rumple writer lately. Since Dark Hollow was Belle centric, this makes sense. Rumple will probably have a significant role in the episode, but the focus will probably be more towards Belle. For the record, both Into the Deep and Lost Girl were very good episodes, so Kalinda can write well. The problems with Tiny and Selfless, Brave and True might have originated prior to Kalinda co-writing it. From what I understand, all of the writers come up with the general plot of each episode together during a meeting, and then the writers are assigned to write the full scripts from there.
That’s unfortunate, I think…though I LOVED Dark Hollow and thought it gave incredible insight into Belle. I just chalk that up to AC and not KV……
To be fair, I did like Into the Deep and Lost Girl………maybe I’m giving too much credit to AC and not enough to KV?
Nothing has been established so far as I know. It could be both flashback and the the lost year. I like the idea of Belle going back to the DO castle.
Oh, I need this so much. That’s her home……now Neal gave it to RH, but the only ones I want staying there are she and Neal, so while obviously they won’t kick RH out, I hope RH has the decency to leave and find other lodgings, lol. Poor, devastated DC – in ruins. Seeing in that way broke my heart, sigh.
I’ll say it once and then try to forget about it – it’s rather unfortunate that KV’s initial effort on her own is a Belle or Rumbelle episode……….she has rather uneven (mostly poor) history and her best episodes have been with Andrew Chambliss.
Quiet Minds is an impossible title to decipher, lol…….
I wish Kalinda Vasquez was not writing this by herself; she’s written/co-written some pretty terrible episodes. I wish Andrew Chambliss were co-writing it – he knows and loves Rumbelle. She DID write Dark Hollow with him, to her credit, but I still doubt her quite a bit.
NO IDEA what the title means or if it even refers to Belle or Rumbelle (the Outsider didn’t)
Thanks for posting!
I was being so cruel with that comment, I know, lol; it just broke my heart, sigh…………and yes Snowy Rumbelle is Cheery Rumbelle, lol
I’m trying not to quote because I always have to edit out the HTML tags and it’s aggravating, so sorry!
RG, I loved that as scene as well and found it funny because Rumple tried so hard to find something scary to say…..it took him forever to come up with something (and I doubt Belle was intimidated by that anyway, lol)
Regina, is way different from Gold for me……I’d rather not get into her here, but I don’t view her at all like I do him. My baby has never really been a villain, not in the Pan or Cora sense. His essential self is incredibly kind, gentle, warm and loving. In SB S1, he wore a mask…..Belle’s presence melted that and from S2 onward, we’ve seen his real self emerge. Some of my favorite Gold moments are when he looks down, generally in response to someone making a pointed/hurtful comment at him; he’s so very vulnerable. He’s a man who wears his heart on his sleeve, whose emotions overwhelm his logic at times – I adore him for this, for so many things.
I’m watching the dock scene from the S2 finale, and can’t help thinking of Belle from the winter finale when Gold says “he’s gone- and I didn’t even hurt a chance to say goodbye”.
betsypaige24 wrote: Gold loves both of them VERY VERY deeply; one is not more important than the other and in the end he sacrificed his life for both of them
Completely agree. There was a really great Tumblr post after 304 (it’s buried somewhere in this thread) about how Bae is his happy ending but Belle is his happily ever after. For Rumple to be whole he needs both. Like he said in TMD, he’s “full of love” (god so freaking true). I don’t think you can ask a man to choose between the love of his life and his child. And like I said a page back, Belle wouldn’t have accepted Rumple’s “I decided to give up on Henry and come home to a life with you.” She would have frog-marched him straight back to NL. She was willing to go with him the first time to help. She knows that he did this to honor Baelfire. She wouldn’t let him take the easy path. That’s one of the things I love about them: she doesn’t get all wobbie around him; she is capable of standing up for herself and putting him in his place. (ah “Lacey” forest scene…”you’re not as dark as you wnat people to believe”)
Yes, I remember that post……it was brilliantly written and made me cry, lol. The thing is, it’s different with a child. Of course he loves and needs Bae, but Bae is an adult who has a life of his own apart from his papa (and this would have been the case even if the curse hadn’t torn them apart). I have always thought that Gold could have been ok had he known that his son didn’t hate him and was thriving somewhere. He has his own separate life to think about, though – that path he spoke about, with Belle and no doubt children. He’s a parent, but he’s also a human being who has emotional and physical needs that only Belle can fulfill; the look he gave her after his last words was one of tremendous need and longing, pain and regret, that they were never going to have the life they wanted. He yearned for her even in his last moments.
“I’m full of love” is my favorite quote of the series – it just speaks to who this man is. He needs to give love and receive it – that’s what he’s about. I think he could burn everything he owns, trash all those silly possessions, and be completely happy with Belle and Bae in his life. He’s such a warm, emotional person with the biggest heart of anyone
LOL Rumple always loved that about Belle in NL, lol, even if he didn’t show it; he told Bae once that he hated how everyone was afraid of him. I think he secretly adored her standing up to him, challenging him…….
Oh, and just to leave us on a cheery note…… when he says “I love you Belle, you made me stronger”………He’s already speaking of himself in the past tense
I have to disagree with you, Marty, I’m sorry.
He didn’t choose, Bae – Gold was actually going to go with ShadowBelle until Regina showed that it was Pan and not real Belle (but this wasn’t about Bae anyway); that moment showed Gold (after his talk with Pan Daddy) how deeply he wants and needs a future with Belle. It was the idea of Belle, his beloved, who kicked his survival instinct (as he called it) into gear.
In TMD, Gold chose to speak to Belle, to tell her who she was, knowing he could literally die at any minute. His son was right there in front of him and he chose to speak to Belle. There were numerous instances in S2 where Gold prioritized Belle above anything. When Cora came to discuss the globe, Gold asked her if she had a spell to break the memory curse; he visited Belle at the hospital even before he pricked his finger. Had Belle not been so angry with him at that point, he would have stayed in SB rather than going to NY right then to find Bae (he left so he wouldn’t kill Hook).
I don’t think it matters who he spoke to first in saying goodbye, to be honest…….and after he spoke to Belle, his gaze lingered on her; she’s the last vision he wanted to take with him.
Gold loves both of them VERY VERY deeply; one is not more important than the other and in the end he sacrificed his life for both of them
I really think they need one “kitchen table” episode where everyone just sits around a kitchen table and talks. just hashes out everything. No magic fighting, no big bad, no curses…just raw character development.
I like this idea……I really thought that after NL, we’d settle back into SB for awhile, that we’d get a breather from villains and big baddies, and magical meanies and focus on relationship. Nope.
I agree. I think the show as a whole needs more balance in terms of external and internal conflict and a chance to breathe. There is so much drama between the characters that we don’t need a big bad, not really. It’s like thinking that our characters and couples can only grow in the presence of some looming threat, but if you think about your favorite shippy moments (most likely) they aren’t in the presence of some mythic evil. It’s an internal thing. Rumple kissing Belle in the hospital thinking that he can bring her back, but knowing he can’t. The 204 library scene. 201 “that’s the reason I have to stay:”
The problem with the show is it’s premise; it’s a GREAT premise and I think Adam and Eddy still don’t know how to reign themselves in. I agree completely with what you said.. and there are a zillion other moments between Rumbelle that make me cry, make my stomach do flip flops, etc.. I am NOT a romantic person or a girly girl – but heavens,. Rumbelle makes me believe in epic and enduring love. That’s what I see when I see them, sigh.
Ditto. Once I stopped weeping hysterically, I was just so proud of him.
Honestly? I’m never going to stop weeping; my heart breaks into a million pieces at his last goodbyes, knowing he’s saying goodbye. What kills me is that he thought he had a future; he had JUST told Belle that the only path he wanted was the one where they are together and now the only path he can take is the one where they can never be together.
Think about how suddenly this all happened. Just two days ago, he thought Pan was trapped forever and he had a happy future with Belle and Bae. Then Pan did the old switcharoo, and really there wasn’t that much time between then and the sacrifice. So in essence, Gold still thought he had a future up until maybe half hour or so before his last scene. Then, he had to make the ultimate decision. My baby had such little time to process the fact of his own death……it’s heartbreaking. Everything happened so quickly – even the goodbyes.
It’s very telling, sigh, that Gold told Bae that he accepted the fact that Bae would find happiness without him. As a father, I think he was able to do this because parents have to let go if their adult children all the time. Of course he’s pained that he won’t get to know his son again, but Gold knows that Bae will be happy and that’s all that matters.With Belle, not only can’t Gold promise her happiness (she’s losing her happy ending, HIM), but he is, in fact, dying with immense regret and pain. I don’t believe he came to terms with the fact that he and Belle would never have a life together, that they were denied a future, a family. That is to say, he accepted it because that was the consequence of his decision, but there is no solace for him at all as there is with Bae….except perhaps that Belle would be spared to live a full life and that they did at least know the most extraordinary love. I loved how he told her she made him stronger, basically saying that he was able to make this sacrifice because of her. She’s hero, as he said in the phone call scene – she’s always been his hero.
I still can’t get over that moment when Gold is frozen in place, like Belle, and he gazes at her with the look of the most incredible love. He’s trying to memorize her, imprint her in his heart so that she will always be with him, even in death. It’s incredibly touching and speaks to their great love that Belle is the one he needs most to look at in his final moments, sob.Belle is staring at Gold as well, completely helpless- and that is so tragic because she can’t say or do anything. Her eyes, though- they are so full of love- and that’s also something that Gold needs to take with him. She loved him, always did; he knows how magical and powerful their love is, he had faith in that love when he needed her to find Pandora’s Box. So, going to his death, he needs this last reminder of the lasting and epic love he and Belle shared.
Angie, I assume she’s been without Gold for a year (if we don’t see her mourning or see her/Bae bonding, I will not be happy to say the least), and that breaks my heart. No, it shatters it. Once the shock wears off, I would hope that Belle would understand that she and Bae both essentially came back from the dead, so why can’t Gold? They have no body…..and I firmly believe that she would feel his presence…….and maybe she will, once they are in the same world.
I love seeing them fight to be together too, we all do; as Em has said, they have been through Hell and back for each other. She also recently said that their constant separations have been rough on each other…….that’s really a sad thing because they have had little time to savor their love. It’s just time, IMO, after this, for them to be doing their fighting together.I think the main problem with The Crocodile was there was no build up to Belle and Rumple falling out. The last time we saw RumBelle was in Broken where Belle came back after Rumple broke his promise, saying she’d stay with him, then all of a sudden in The Crocodile, she’s saying that she’s leaving him because he wasn’t being honest with her and letting her in emotionally.
Whilst I do agree that Belle did deserve Rumple to be honest with her and to let her in emotionally, I do think in 202 and 203, there should have been some sort of transition shown between RumBelle to show a reason why Belle seemed to go from “I’m staying with you because I love you” to “I’m leaving because you’re not being honest with me”
All this PLUS, even so, Belle horribly overreacted to Gold’s being unable to be honest with her. She treated him the same way she treated her father, the man who literally had her snatched, thrown into a mine cart and pushed towards the town line so she’d lose her memories. That man is a real beast, and he did that simply because he’s a control freak who couldn’t let his daughter make up her own mind (he also tried to take credit for the deal sayin git was his deal. Um, NO, you moron; YOU said NO to Rumple, it was Belle who agreed). I fully expected that we’d get a wonderful reunion, but instead, she pushes him away and says she NEVER wants to see him again? Really? Days later at the library, she’s still infuriated. I chalk that up to just poor writing because it doesn’t compute at all. I think Belle, the REAL Belle, would have understood that this is a man who lived alone basically for 300 years and has had real reason not to trust anyone. When he couldn’t open up in the kitchen, he wasn’t trying to be closed off to her, he just wasn’t sure how – and being afraid doesn’t make one a coward. I never liked how Belle fed into his insecurities there.
However, I think the reason why RumBelle is separated so much (It is frustrating and fanfiction shows that fans do want RumBelle just to be able to spend time together) is because the relationship they have is so passionate and so strong that petty squabbles wouldn’t add enough drama to the relationship. Belle and Rumple arguing over Rumple not putting the toilet seat down would be great for fans to see, however the casual audience may think it is just a waste of screentime.
Oh I agree. These two are really open with each other and they just respect each other way too much to engage in ridiculous blow ups over stupid, foolish things. I also think fans would be happy if we just got a few of these scenes; the sad thing is, we’re really not asking for a lot…..just a few scenes sprinkled here and there would be sufficient. I think it’s also important to do that in order to ground the show in reality………
Price, lol, the thing is, they have to stop kidding themselves. They just showed one of the most brutal scenes I’ve ever seen, Pan tossing his poor son against the wall, kicking him and basically just hurling (from earlier in the scene) the most abusive words. I mean, that was HARD to watch…and we have seen deaths. It really bugs the *** out of me that we have to deal with a Rumple/Cora wheel scene (which did nothing for me because I saw no chemistry, but the point is that was supposed to be sexy) or a Jack/James scene, but we can’t get ,say, a recreation of the Skin Deep deleted scene? Denying these two their physicality is taking away so much of who they are. Bobby and Emilie can take the most innocent of scenes and turn it into something that requires a cold shower after watching, lol…….I mean, that’s why the deleted scene was deleted in the first place; it wasn’t supposed to be THAT erotic, lol. This is not Saturday morning cartoons. You made a show in large part about TL, so asking adults to watch the show, get emotionally attached to couples and yet not care about seeing any romance is really unfair by Adam/Eddy. Snowing gets ALL the kisses now and we even get to see them in bed (not that it does anything for me; they’re cute, but……..). Why don’t we get the same thing with Rumbelle?Oh and YES to your last point, lol. How clunky was Snowing’s dialogue? That scene in Gold’s shop is my 2nd favorite Rumbelle scene ever, behind the phone call scene….and it’s NOT far behind, which is saying something. I just adored their little flirty conversation, how we ALL know that when she said “perfect” and he said “thank you” that it was NOT about the tie, how he was so proud of himself, so impish (did you catch the adorable way he sort tilted his head back and forth, lol)..Oh please, they had just probably had the best sex ever, then they have the best kiss ever (and it’s my favorite Rumbelle kiss, completely open-mouthed, sigh), leading to them deciding to screw the party and have more great sex, lol. Then they obviously get busy in the morning because Gold shows up at the diner with his hair hardly brushed and practically panting. It was all he could do not to sprint back to Belle at the counter, lol.
I’ll make a new post because this one I really rambled on in….
