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I get why he did it and that there are definitely a lot of emotions involved in all of it. I guess I’m mostly disappointed because he learned from Rumple’s mistakes but not Milah’s. He wants to be a better father to Henry because his wasn’t good, but he knew centuries ago that Milah regretted leaving him and never did anything about it. The fact that he did that to someone and chose not to do anything about it when he knows exactly how much it hurts grates me. He had the option, he was reminded of the option, and he chose to walk away.
I had to respond to this. I completely disagree. I get that Rumple made a terrible choice in letting Bae go, but he was a wonderful father to Bae – in fact, a wonderful mother and father. The fact that Bae turned into such a fine young man is in large part due to Rumple. Bae is very angry with his papa, but deep down inside, he still loves him. There is a lot more to their relationship than just Rumple letting go. They have a lot to work out, but the Rumple Bae refuses to remember right now because he is so angry was a wonderful, kind, gentle and good soul. Just because he doesn’t want to acknowledge it doesn’t mean it’s not so. His entire childhood did not suck as he told Emma. No matter what he says, deep inside he knows differently. His feeling this way consciously is his way of being able to cope – it’s not the truth.
For another thing, I don’t buy that Milha regretted walking away from Bae. I admit I despise her, but she and Hook were what – as Hook said, they were going to come back for Bae later? After the heavy lifting of the parenting had been done? She wasn’t a mother, she walked out on her son. She preferred her husband dead to a living breathing person who could father their boy. She abused him every day since he returned, constantly, and she destroyed him. LOL The casting call referred to Milha as a woman bored with being a mother. You don’t get to decide you’re bored……it’s a lifetime job.
Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Swanfire, but………
Oh and I used to ship Snowing hard (not like I ship Rumbelle now), prior to Skin Deep, but now? They’re ok. I like them well enough, but I blow hot and cold with them as people, so…..
Rumbelle is my world. I can’t talk about Rumbelle without writing an Epic poem, lol – that’s how much they inspire me. I’m the least romantic person you’d ever meet, but they bring that out in me – only them, lol. I won’t blather on about them, but their love to me is unbelievably exquisite, undying, eternal, profoundly deep. Their desperate need to touch each other makes me cry……..Ok, I’ll stop it here. You get the point, lol
I despise Hook, so I’ll leave it there……..I do like Swanfire a lot……..but there’s only going to ever be one couple for me
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
@BetsyPagie24 wrote:
Hmm, I tend to think the Home Office is part of the first half story and that it will end when the first half does. Adam/Eddy said that each 1/2 season will be completely separate, with beginning, middle and ends. The Home Office part of the story will involve Belle protecting the town.
I really prefer them to concentrate on relationships and forget outside danger – we’ve dealt with that enough as is.
Ah, but then who is the big bad? We need one to move into the finale of S3 and into S4. THO is in both worlds and I do think Belle is going to have her hands fulls fighting them during part one. But I think that war will escalate in part 2 and everyone–the entire cast–will have to flee to another land (please be Oz, please be Oz). S4 will take place, mostly, in this new land and then S5 finds back in FTL to take down the Ogres and any kind of ultimate big bad.
I don’t see Oz or any other world coming into play in the 2nd half; I think they will stick to SB then since for much of the first half of S3, they won’t be there. I think they’re going to want to re-establish SB – as it will be , IMO, quite different under Belle and co – and I don’t think they want to travel to another world in the same season. They can introduce a big bad or whatever in S4 or at the end of S3, 2nd half, but frankly I don’t think it’s necessary to have a villain ALL the time. There is plenty of drama to be had in interpersonal relationships – and I really think they need to concentrate on this. I will be livid if we don’t get real Rumbelle happiness, for one – S3 is a crossroads for me in this respect – and obviously we need to see Bae/Gold (with Belle as bridge; I will be upset again if we don’t get this). Of course there are other relationships to explore as well.
I personally would like to see Belle establish new relationships with the Charmings. With her having led and protected the town, having cared for the inhabitants, the Charmings can’t just expect things to be the same when they return. They can’t just expect to take over and everyone to relinquish their duties. I can see there being some tension there as people under Belle have accomplished things – and they love her.
I think its important to see SB start to be a real town. Let Belle reopen the library and make it a community center so that the townspeople have a place to……..hang out, lol. Let it be a shelter as well so that in times of crisis, everyone can gather together and not be alone. Build a movie theater, build more restaurants, lol – I mean, it’s one thing to be a small town, but SB isn’t small – it’s tiny, lol. Build an arcade…build a bowling alley, etc… You get my drift.
Adam and Eddy said that the first and 2nd halves of S3 are like different seasons, so since each season has a beginning/middle/end, I don’t see the HO story bleeding into the 2nd half.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@BetsyPaige24 wrote:
It will be interesting to see what they do with the 2nd half of the season. I suspect since the first half seems to have a lot of adventure and……villainy in it, that the 2nd half (hopefully) will be more about relationships : between parents and children, between romantic partners (I will be bitterly disappointed as well if Belle is not a bridge between Bae and Gold), between the townspeople and the “leaders”…….. There’s going to be a sea change in SB, that’s for sure. Nothing will be the same. While the Charmings are gone, people who haven’t been given a chance to step up and do big things will be given that chance – and they aren’t going to want go back to being wallflowers when the JR returns.
I agree. I think the end of the first half will see the JR and company come back to SB where Belle and Nealfire waiting for them and then it will be all about relationships and fighting whatever danger is coming for them–in my head it’s the Home Office that exists in this world (in my crack theory it’s being led by Dorothy because they’ve hinted at Oz an awful lot for us not to have seen it or the characters yet)
Hmm, I tend to think the Home Office is part of the first half story and that it will end when the first half does. Adam/Eddy said that each 1/2 season will be completely separate, with beginning, middle and ends. The Home Office part of the story will involve Belle protecting the town.
I really prefer them to concentrate on relationships and forget outside danger – we’ve dealt with that enough as is.
@Phee wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
Also, technicall, even if he’s still cursed, he still has the choice as to his behavior……Isn’t it actually better if Gold becomes that best version of himself even without the curse actually breaking? It makes him, by doing so, much stronger than the curse -and frankly I think that would be a very powerful thing. The curse didn’t destroy him – it couldn’t, because he was such a good, kind and incredibly loving man with a huge heart. So if it never really destroyed him, he can overcome it. I believe in him. I believe he is a beautiful soul and that he may struggle, but his desire to become his best self will triumph.
Ideally, yes. But the way I’ve always thought of his curse is that it’s more than just a bad influence, it’s actually a parasite that latched on and fundamentally altered him. So in that sense, I think it’ll take more than just willpower for him to completely overcome it, he actually has to have it removed.
That’s a very vivid analogy, lol – and you’re probably right.
I think it will need to be a combination of both sacrificing his darkness and having it removed from him. And I think that is where PP and the prophecy of undoing is going to come in. Rumple sacrifices his Dark One’s self to save his grandson.
That would be lovely…….IMO Gold is just a man anyway, but in terms of being mortal and losing this identity he’s had for so long, you could see how he might wonder just who he is. He wants to be his best self – thanks to Belle, he has that hope that he can be. Although he might struggle with losing the DO identity, I think this would be so great for him because that is NOT who he is, it never has been. Without the burden of this curse, he can finally just be who he was meant to be – who he was before Milha destroyed him, before those villagers crushed him. It would be such an amazing storyline for he and Belle; they would take this emotional journey together. I think also that eventually he would learn to forgive himself and once he does that, he can ask for forgiveness from others.
It will be interesting to see what they do with the 2nd half of the season. I suspect since the first half seems to have a lot of adventure and……villainy in it, that the 2nd half (hopefully) will be more about relationships : between parents and children, between romantic partners (I will be bitterly disappointed as well if Belle is not a bridge between Bae and Gold), between the townspeople and the “leaders”…….. There’s going to be a sea change in SB, that’s for sure. Nothing will be the same. While the Charmings are gone, people who haven’t been given a chance to step up and do big things will be given that chance – and they aren’t going to want go back to being wallflowers when the JR returns.
@AngieBelle wrote:
I think all Eddy meant was that we are going to see the characters take back more of the traits we originally saw them with in FTL…traits that had become a bit muddled in Storybrooke. Everyone is going to want to do everything in his or her power to get Henry back, but the conflict is going to be in that each will have a very different idea on what exactly that is. The Charmings probably won’t like Regina or Rumple’s methods!
I don’t think it’s worth it to get all worked up over how Adam and Eddy word things. In the end, all that really matters is what ends up on the screen.
Yes, but it’s important to me that they don’t think that the core of Rumple’s being is that DO……that, IMO, is just wrong. However, I’m pretty sure Phee is right…….
It will be interesting to see if Gold has to cope with what he might have to do in SB….because apparently the 2nd half is a completely different season. This guy burdens himself with so much guilt. I hope that frankly he realizes that whatever he has to do, it’s all for saving Henry – it’s not like he’s going out of his way to just turn people into snails. Evil has to be defeated and evil counts on good being TOO good. NL is apparently very dangerous and if some iffy things have to be done, so be it.. I want Gold to come back feeling good about himself…….and that he’s alive to see Belle and have a life with her
This is sort of what I’m getting at when I say he’ll have to be mortal for the reconciliation to happen. It’s that the gesture of finally giving up that power in an effort to protect Henry is the exact opposite of what happened when he chose his power over being with Bae. It’s the ultimate way for him to prove that he’s changed. Nealfire overhearing the phonecall was wonderful, FEELS galore, but since then he’s seen nothing to back that impression up, in fact, he’s seen the opposite, so it’s gonna take a massive effort from Rumple to prove himself, and giving up the Dark One is the most emphatic proof.
I see what you’re saying, but I think there are other ways without giving that up that their relationship can be repaired. I mean, it would be lovely, but it would be too easy. Gold can prove himself a changed person or a person TRYING to change (or more accurately, become who he was) by making better decisions, but being simply a better person. He made such great strides this season and he really wants to be better, so that’s a big deal. I think saving Henry is a start – but then the real work begins. I think Neal, Gold and Belle need to spend time together – not pushing it, let it go slowly. I would suggest that Gold almost concentrate on himself because I believe that Neal still adores his papa and seeing his father trying and being a better person would go a long way. Belle can help in this way; she makes Gold so happy; her support and belief in him make HIM believe he can be his best self – and with that and with the knowledge that hell yeah, he did damned good in helping to save Henry), I think he will be in a better place.
I’d love it if Belle plays a role in reuniting them physically as well as emotionally. There’s so much potential for Nealfire to learn about his father from Belle.
Yes and I think no matter what he says, he’s curious about his father. Neal said he didn’t know he had it in him (the phone call). Well as a boy, he obviously did not see any romantic love between his parents (Milha saw to that) and she left when he was young anyway. He remembers more than he wants to remember; he really needs to concentrate on his anger because I think if he concentrated on his grief at his being “abandoned”, not sure he could have made it. I think in general it’s easier to be get on with life being angry instead of sad.
Agreed with all of that. There’s no question as to the depth of their true love. Most people have been expecting for ages that the TLK will be what cures him, because it’s the standard method of curse breaking for couples. Many people have questioned why her kissing him in SB didn’t strip him of his curse, like it started to back in FTL. That’s why I mentioned that maybe the TLK was a one shot deal that’s now not an option as his cure. I agree that they don’t need a TLK to prove anything about their compatibility.
Also, technicall, even if he’s still cursed, he still has the choice as to his behavior……Isn’t it actually better if Gold becomes that best version of himself even without the curse actually breaking? It makes him, by doing so, much stronger than the curse -and frankly I think that would be a very powerful thing. The curse didn’t destroy him – it couldn’t, because he was such a good, kind and incredibly loving man with a huge heart. So if it never really destroyed him, he can overcome it. I believe in him. I believe he is a beautiful soul and that he may struggle, but his desire to become his best self will triumph.
Exactly! Would be sort of poetic, given that Rumple’s downward spiral began when he ran away from a battle, and here we see him walking directly into one as his ultimate act of redemption.
Yep!
I suspect undoing means ending his curse. I’ve read a fan blog which insists that Rumple will have to die in order to be redeemed, but I disagree. I think he might be brought to the brink, but that ultimately, he’ll be brought back a changed man.
The issue with Rumple being immortal and Belle not makes me think of the tv show Bewitched…that discussion came up quite a bit between Darrin and Samantha.
Personally, I think dying to be redeemed is a complete cop out and aside from being absolutely crushed, I would be livid. Redemption is an ongoing process. The man was a beautiful and kind soul originally. He made a terrible decision, caused a lot of pain to others – and has felt pain himself. If he were the monster he thought he was, he never would have fallen for Belle – never would have appreciated her kindness, compassion, intelligence, humor, etc… Point is, the past can’t be changed, but he can still be that wonderful man he was and do good things in the future. Rumple dying for his sins , sins he feels god-awful about, would mean this show is about HOPELESSNESS, not hope.
There was a discussion on Tumblr about the immortality issue. Since Lacey clearly wanted to be kept young, and part of Lacey is in Belle, perhaps Belle would be ok with being young eternally because there is no way on earth she would ever, ever want to die and leave Gold to the loneliest possible existence. Who’s to stay they can’t be immortal together – though that means making children, etc… immortal.
Of course if Gold gives that up or he’s uncursed and then he’s a real man again, who’s to say he won’t live until he’s 95 and die at around the same time Belle does? They are one soul in two bodies; I do think they would die very close together.
Phee, that is what I’m hoping he meant………..and suspect he might have meant. I hate when I take Eddy’s bait because he’s terrible at expressing himself
I feel like I’m watching a different show than Adam and Eddy. Yeah they created the characters, so I can’t say they don’t know them…….except no, Eddy does not know Rumple
So, still steaming from that, I’m torn between being excited for season 3 and being extremely skeptical, mostly the latter because I ‘m going to miss Rumbelle so much. I’m having a hard time with S3 because even though Belle will get a kick ass storyline, which I love (believe me, I do), I’m sort of very down about no Rumbelle for half a season. I’m trying my level best not to be upset too much – and also not to worry about Adam/Eddy screwing up their reunion/not giving us what we want (a relationship, happy, etc..) upon Gold’s return, but I don’t really trust them. S3 will be a crossroads for me, I think. While we got some truly beautiful Rumbelle, there was a lot we didn’t get that many of us craved – and this constant tragedy with them is hard to take. I’m not sure I can tolerate another season like S2.
So, Adam and Eddy can talk all they like about character, but until I see it on screen and until I see Rumbelle actually together, I will continue to be highly skeptical about them
I will say that the SB part of the first half of S3 is what I am most looking forward to…….
